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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
The main reason is that we’d like the difference between someone who’s amazing with Oracle micro to be able to keep them alive the whole game to get the most out of them, whereas lesser skilled players won’t get as much out of this change Well that's pretty ironic; this buff achieves the exact opposite. Kinda sad Terran got trashed yet again, while even the mythical Korean top Terrans are getting destroyed left and right. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:23 wUndertUnge wrote: Thank god for the WM change. Now it takes 2 widow mines (based on my tests on the balance maps) to take out a pack of lings instead of just 1. Also, as a Zerg player, I just have to say to everyone, watch the fuck out! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAH Tunneling roaches are fíng scary now. always were. For some players Blizzard needs to buff units, so they understand what they can do with them. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:31 Faust852 wrote: This guy is close to GM. What league are you to argue with him ? not that close :p but it has nothing to do with balance  The main problem is that you've to go 4M anyway, tanks are a joke as soon as the Z goes muta/ling (they're really good against roach play, but roaches are so bad for anything else than timing pushes anyway). You can't deal with the mass muta style going (thx Curious :p) while going for tanks, there is a moment when you're forced to go all in since there is no way you can defend the harass they'll putting on you without mines. I'd like for the marine/tank tvz to come back; especially with HotS infest but since mutas are really good if you can't kill them (hurting them is literally useless now) you've to go for mines (or mech with upgraded thors). And now you'll go for worst mines. The only alternative would be bio/hellbat play but then you're on a clock since as soon as the Z gets mass muta you insta lose the game because you can't win a fight or put up harass (at least Z are not good enough to manage 2 packs of muta at the same time, it could be worse). I doubt there is a miracle solution to get TvZ in a pre patch state, then it'll really be up to the maps to not be muta friendly or it'll be hell. On November 12 2013 09:30 lowercase wrote: How do people like this even post on this forum? Man, things have gone downhill. nice ad hominem thx. | ||
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Sircanis
7 Posts
Chill out. Also, RAWWWR! Why did David Kim make it snow today?!? I'm quitting! The game will never survive without my trolling and rage quitting! Take that Blizzard! Huzzah! | ||
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Twine
France246 Posts
... I have to disagree with the oracle speed changes. During WCS we've seen a lot of protoss using it and it was working well for them as long as they microed it properly. Buffing it is just stupid and will make cheeses on ladder (Hi proxy stargate) even stronger, as if they were not enough protoss in GM who does nothing but all ining all day long. Gratz Blizzard. | ||
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r691175002
249 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7112/8m00.jpg) Who believes them? | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:33 sAsImre wrote: not that close :p but it has nothing to do with balance I know since I played you in pandaria, but my point was that he has no right telling you to shut up, since I think we know the game enough to emit our pov. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:36 r691175002 wrote: So here are the balance numbers they dropped at Blizcon: Who believes them? I don't see how it's unreasonable to believe that's the case. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12381 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:36 Plansix wrote: Can't wait to see the new tanks rocking face like they did in the balance test tournament and seeing all the whiners go "we'll it still needs more buffs.....because....." I know you're ironic but seriously, I'm getting so tired of reading the same stuff, I could totally wait a little. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:37 Qikz wrote: I don't see how it's unreasonable to believe that's the case. I don't see why you should change the balance when you have those increbibly balanced stats. | ||
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wUndertUnge
United States1125 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:31 Rollora wrote: always were. For some players Blizzard needs to buff units, so they understand what they can do with them. Not as scary as 2.0 burrow roaches MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHA!!!! They're just scary mobile now. | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:36 r691175002 wrote: So here are the balance numbers they dropped at Blizcon: Who believes them? Its a selfevident truth when the ranking system is made for just this to be the case. When you take a closer look and realize that terran is dwindling from low master up to the point of extinction in gm, you realize that these numbers dont say shit. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:36 r691175002 wrote: So here are the balance numbers they dropped at Blizcon: Who believes them? Why would they lie now? What possible reason could that have that isn't some tin foil hat wearing nonsense? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:39 Snusmumriken wrote: Its a selfevident truth when the ranking system is made for just this to be the case. When you take a closer look and realize that terran is dwindling from low master up to the point of extinction in gm, you realize that these numbers dont say shit. Stand back folks, the bias is strong with this one. He has developed an immunity to fact and has a strong case of conformation bias. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:36 r691175002 wrote: So here are the balance numbers they dropped at Blizcon: Who believes them? well I do believe them. Problem HERE is, 99.9% of the Users here arent "Top" so to them or for them the game was never intended to be balanced. Also: balance cannot be proven by a winrate alone. How should it. I could have a 50% winrate vs a much lesser player just because he chooses one strat/cheese he has a 50% chance of winning all the time. Doesn't make him an equal player if I could outplay him, outmacro him, outmicro him, outhink him and even have more experience. Doesn't matter at all. But could still get 50% winrate then. So does 50% winrate tell me, the game is balanced then? It doesn't say it's unbalanced that's for sure. But winrate alone cannot rate the effort the players put into it. What if some winrates come, because of early timing pushes from one race, cause it is impossible/ hard to win in lategame?(e.g. some Top Terrans avoid lategame TvP, or Wings of Liberty's TvZ lategame..., Or Partings infamous win vs Flash on Daybreak when Flash was up 2 basees the whole time and Parting just turtled with HT and colossi... and won in the end cause everything was mined out and he had the deathball Flash couldnt beat? Or was this not because of balance, but because Flash is bad?) is the game still balanced? Is it balanced when there were a lot of allins and not that much a broad spectrum of strategy, multitasking etc involved? Is it balanced when some strategies as e.g. Zerg (just an example, not actually saying it requires more effort) need 2x the apm to win vs a lets say a toss? We could argue that the toss has to do more thinking process behind it or whatever. Forcefildmicro maybe. 50% winrate doesnt say something is balanced, it just shows that till now, players found ways (like the said early game pushes, allins). Some would argue that this IS balance, if we find ways to make it 50% winning, but to me balance in theory would be: all players and all races need the same effort (but in different ways: some micro, some macro, some multitask, some seek the perfect unit combo) in every game stage (early, mid, lategame). Not sure if it is balanced then (yet) or will ever be with the units we have. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:39 Plansix wrote: Why would they lie now? What possible reason could that have that isn't some tin foil hat wearing nonsense? the real question is: why would they break a core unit of a match up ? | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:40 Plansix wrote: Stand back folks, the bias is strong with this one. He has developed an immunity to fact and has a strong case of conformation bias. its called confirmation bias, and ad hominems aside, what isnt correct in what I wrote? Terran continously dwindle from being overrepresented in bronze to being all but gone in upper gm. This is a fact. Another fact is that the laddersystem is made for each player to approximate 50% in each matchup. | ||
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