HotS Balance Update - November 11 - Page 19

On November 12 2013 13:42 askmc70 wrote:

when will this patch be?

On November 12 2013 10:17 awesomoecalypse wrote:


In WoL prior to the Queen buff, it was 100% standard for Terrans to open with 2-4 Hellions. Sometimes he'd get lucky and win the game outright, but far more often he'd simply gain map control and force the Zerg to open defensively and stay in their base longer until roach tech was done. There was no comparable way for Zerg to dictate the pace of the game early on--there were all-ins, but not the same sort of map control and pressure built right into standard openings. In other words, for the early game, Terran were in the drivers seat. Did that make TvZ at the time a bad matchup? Hell no, TvZ of the pre-queen buff era was the best WoL matchup.

Oracles as a standard, non-gimmicky way for Protoss to open that doesn't necessarily win the game outright most of the time, but that gains map control and scouting and allows Toss to dictate pace early on, is not in of itself imbalanced.

On November 12 2013 12:00 zev318 wrote:


i think you have to look at the carrier as "why would i build this instead of phoenix/voidray"

On November 12 2013 13:31 Salient wrote:
I thought tanks were getting a faster attack. Did Blizzard decide not to do that?

Siege Mode attack period decreased from 3.0 to 2.8.

On November 12 2013 13:47 manicshock wrote:


Wait. So we allow the protoss who already clearly has an advantage in the late game to dictate the early game which leads in the mid game where it's generally even or at least terran stands a chance? Right. I'm following you here. So as long as Protoss can control at least 2/3 and influence the 3rd phase of the game, TvP is balanced.

On November 12 2013 13:54 Aserrin wrote:
So let me get this straight

Protoss is the strongest, and they buff it

Terran is the weakest, and they nerf it

On November 12 2013 13:59 awesomoecalypse wrote:


My ideal scenario would actually be that Tanks are made strong enough that if Terran can build a full mech army with good upgrades and anti-air support, they should be able to take on Protoss armies in the lategame and win consistently if they control well. And in return, I'd like to see Protoss made good enough at harass that they have various ways to stretch the Terran thin and try to keep him from amassing his desired compostion. This, btw, was more or less the BW dynamic, with Protoss using an early game advantage, followed by drops, harass and small engagements throughout the game, while Terran tended to play defensively while trying to get to a mech army that could roll the Protoss.

In buffing Tanks (both directly, and by combining upgrades to give them better synergy with air support) and buffing Oracle mobility, I think Blizzard is trying to move in this direction. The question is, are they going far enough with it? It will be hard to say without seeing it in play--but if there does turn out to be an imbalance in favor of Protoss, I'd like to see them respond not by nerfing Toss, but by further buffing Terran mech (perhaps even with specific anti-toss buffs via bonus damage vs shields). I really enjoy the thought of a PvT that revolves around Protoss trying to consistently harass throughout the game with high mobility, high damage, but very fragile and very expensive units, while meanwhile Terran is playing a defensive, positional game trying to gradually take the map and put together a powerful mech composition that is slow and cumbersome to manage but is dominant head on. Like I said, I can't say whether this patch will get us there, but that's where I'd like to see the game go.