EPTTop Dragon: Who is the world's best Protoss? - Page 5
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
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00Visor
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But I actually see sOs on top. He 3-1ed Hero, Polt and Bomber and then 4-1ed Jaedong. And its not like he was a darkhorse for this tournament, he was very solid all year with a high winrate, and he also won DH Bukarest. He is also the best protoss judged by aligulac  . | ||
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StarStruck
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
sOs just gimmicked his way to the finals with proxy stargates, cannon rushes and 2 base allins. imo | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
Good examples of such coming togethers for HerO: DH finals vs Taeja, GSL Ro8 vs Supernova, Quarterfinals vs Hyun at IEM Shanghai Other than that it's hard to say. Possibly Dear, possibly sOs. I have no idea what's going on with Rain at the moment though. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:58 Psychobabas wrote: Voting for Rain. sOs just gimmicked his way to the finals with proxy stargates, cannon rushes and 2 base allins. imo I disagree. Not that he used proxy stargates and cannon rushes, but that he did so in a "gimmicky" way. One of the interesting things about sOs this tournament, and which I suspect will really change the metagame going forward, was that he showed that Proxy Oracle is actually an extremely stable opening in PvT. Many times he would open proxy Oracle, it would be scouted and picked off very early, and he'd just shrug his shoulders, play defensively while getting fast templar tech, and pull out the win regardless. There's always been this widespread idea that proxy Oracle is a very risky opening that will either win or lose you the game, and sOs just showed definitively that it isn't nearly as risky as people think. It was funny watching the casters repeatedly baffled--they'd see the Oracle go down, think sOs was behind, and then he'd do just fine anyway. His cannon rushing in PvZ seemed more map dependent, but he showed a similar ability to salvage games where the cannon rush didn't work out. To my mind, saying sOs won off "gimmicks" implies he just tried cheesy tricks that worked and won him games. But many times his "tricks" didn't work, and he just played standard and won regardless. If anything, he showed that failed early aggression doesn't necessarily have to lose you the game if you're good at defense and make smart build choices. | ||
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StarStruck
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lystier
China877 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Anyway, I still give the edge to Dear, i'm waiting another good performance from sOs to call him the best. Anyway, it's a poolthread imarit ? | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On November 10 2013 23:07 DarkLordOlli wrote: When everything clicks? HerO. HerO is unbeatable when it's coming together for him. The reason for that is simple. HerO plays a style that should win him every game if he does everything the way he imagines it. But he also probably plays the most mechanically challenging style of protoss which is why he's so inconsistent. It's just so incredibly easy to make mistakes with his playstyle. But when he doesn't make those then there's no better protoss. Good examples of such coming togethers for HerO: DH finals vs Taeja, GSL Ro8 vs Supernova, Quarterfinals vs Hyun at IEM Shanghai Other than that it's hard to say. Possibly Dear, possibly sOs. I have no idea what's going on with Rain at the moment though. ahh i was waiting for this post! | ||
liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Dear > sOs > Rain > Parting > Everyone else, imo. Which seems to be a pretty standard order, according to most other posts lol Parting really isnt doing that flash at the moment - I'd have MC & HerO above him and maybe even Trap & Sora at LEAST equal to him, if not above. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On November 10 2013 23:34 liberate71 wrote: Parting really isnt doing that flash at the moment - I'd have MC, Trap and maybe even Sora at LEAST equal to him, if not above. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players/2322_PartinG/games parting is doing pretty well - he didn't manage to qualify for S3 finals since his PvZ sucks, but otherwise he's been doing great. 4-0 hero, etc. if he had qualified for S3 finals, he could have made blizzcon, and who knows what the result would have been? | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 10 2013 23:34 liberate71 wrote: Parting really isnt doing that flash at the moment - I'd have MC & HerO above him and maybe even Trap & Sora at LEAST equal to him, if not above. http://aligulac.com/players/5-PartinG/results/ Pretty good I must say. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On November 10 2013 23:07 DarkLordOlli wrote: When everything clicks? HerO. HerO is unbeatable when it's coming together for him. The reason for that is simple. HerO plays a style that should win him every game if he does everything the way he imagines it. But he also probably plays the most mechanically challenging style of protoss which is why he's so inconsistent. It's just so incredibly easy to make mistakes with his playstyle. But when he doesn't make those then there's no better protoss. Good examples of such coming togethers for HerO: DH finals vs Taeja, GSL Ro8 vs Supernova, Quarterfinals vs Hyun at IEM Shanghai Other than that it's hard to say. Possibly Dear, possibly sOs. I have no idea what's going on with Rain at the moment though. I don't entirely disagree, except that HerO's peaks don't come quite consistently enough, and when he's off his game even a little, the whole thing just crumbles and he looks lost. Compare to Rain, sOs and Dear--even when they're losing they look stable as hell and like they always have a shot. HerO has sometimes pulled out big comebacks, but just as often he makes a too few many crucial errors while trying to keep up with his crazy multitask, exposes some massive vulnerability, and just gets rolled horribly. I love the guy, he's definitely one of my favorites, but until he can look his best with somewhat more reliability its hard for me to declare him the #1 Protoss. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On November 10 2013 23:34 liberate71 wrote: Parting really isnt doing that flash at the moment - I'd have MC & HerO above him and maybe even Trap & Sora at LEAST equal to him, if not above. He won WCG KR man. He, and Rain as well, simply needs to fix their habit of choking and work out a few more builds. I'd say Dear > sOs > PartinG=Trap > Sora (needs to play more games) > Rain (hasnt forgiven his OSL defeat) | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 10 2013 23:59 mechengineer123 wrote: Dear has a much more solid and respectable style. Sos is basically a glorified cheeser. Uh huh. Please tell us more about sOs. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On November 10 2013 23:59 mechengineer123 wrote: Dear has a much more solid and respectable style. Sos is basically a glorified cheeser. As I said above, if you actually watch sOs' games he often attempted tricky early plays like Proxy Oracles and Cannon Rushing, but his opponents nearly always scouted them quickly and reacted properly. sOs just defendeed well, stabilized, then defeated them in straightforward games from then on. He went Proxy Oracle in practically every PvT, and in many of them the Oracle would get completely shut down, and it didn't matter sOs still won regardless. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
Someone had to do it and I'm glad it was me! On November 10 2013 23:48 awesomoecalypse wrote: I don't entirely disagree, except that HerO's peaks don't come quite consistently enough, and when he's off his game even a little, the whole thing just crumbles and he looks lost. Compare to Rain, sOs and Dear--even when they're losing they look stable as hell and like they always have a shot. HerO has sometimes pulled out big comebacks, but just as often he makes a too few many crucial errors while trying to keep up with his crazy multitask, exposes some massive vulnerability, and just gets rolled horribly. I love the guy, he's definitely one of my favorites, but until he can look his best with somewhat more reliability its hard for me to declare him the #1 Protoss. I agree with this. I think HerO has the highest peak potential but it happens too rarely. It happens more often when he's on a roll - which depends heavily on his mentality. That's where the whole winter thing came from, Dreamhack Winter just happens to spark the flame and the confidence he gets from these streaks makes him transcend things. | ||
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