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Rickyvalle21
United States320 Posts
On November 10 2013 21:36 Creager wrote: Is there a single professional Korean Protoss who is absolute shit at PvT right now? That rank 1 grandmaster protoss on korea, whoever he is, has below a 50% winrate in pvt. | ||
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chairmobile
United States111 Posts
I play zerg, and I really don't like Protoss players in general. In fact, I don't really like Dear ( no particular reason, maybe because he keeps beating my fave players). Despite my general disregard for both protoss and Dear, you have to respect the guy. Even outside his amazing results, winning WCS KR and the season finals against amazing players, his defense is simply amazing game to game. He is remarkably consistent and his one game against HerO (another protoss that I highly respect) was simply mindblowing (the one where HerO opened phoenix + stalker rush against dear's FE). | ||
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AmuseD
Netherlands133 Posts
Other then that Rain is too predictable nowadays for the pro's. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On November 10 2013 21:36 Creager wrote: Is there a single professional Korean Protoss who is absolute shit at PvT right now? An interesting point. I looked through Aligulac's top 40 protosses and their matchup ratings. Very few of them are significantly worse at PvT than both their other matchups and it's somewhat common for PvT to be their best matchup. The players I found that best answered your questions were: --CJ herO (though he's on a sharp rise in every matchup since he did crazy well in IEM and RBBG qualifiers) --AZUBU VINES (hasn't been very relevant for a while now sadly, especially given his hilarious name) --Axiom Crank (apparently it has been his worst matchup for just about his whole career, and in HotS he's barely above 50% there) So yeah, interesting observation. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 11 2013 06:13 chairmobile wrote: Gotta say Dear. His defense against multi-pronged harass is nothing short of amazing. I play zerg, and I really don't like Protoss players in general. In fact, I don't really like Dear ( no particular reason, maybe because he keeps beating my fave players). Despite my general disregard for both protoss and Dear, you have to respect the guy. Even outside his amazing results, winning WCS KR and the season finals against amazing players, his defense is simply amazing game to game. He is remarkably consistent and his one game against HerO (another protoss that I highly respect) was simply mindblowing (the one where HerO opened phoenix + stalker rush against dear's FE). I think if you play Terran or Zerg you don't like them in general. ;o | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
IMO, if Rain had made it to blizzcon (he would've by just being at season 3 finals instead of trap, so so close), he would've instantly became one of the favorites to win it all. I think Rain will be the protoss king in 2014 | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
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Footler
United States560 Posts
Still awaiting to board the soul train again, though. Not saying Parting isn't playing well but I want him to win something! | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
I would vote 1) Dear 2) sOs 3) Rain 4) HerO 5) Trap 6) NaNiwa 7) PartinG 8) First 9) MC 10) Jim Caveat: Have not really seen San or Sora play much but they just haven't had enough results in major events yet (which is the same reason I've not seen them). Edit: Almost forgot this, but Dear and sOs actually met in WCS KR S3, and sOs won 2-0. Not that that's crucial in the determination or anything. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
1. Dear 2. sOs 3. Trap 4.Rain 5. PartinG 6. Hurricane 7. Sora 8. Super 9. Avenge 10. HerO Hopefully this is at least pretty reasonable. Maybe there are others who should be up there but it is hard to rate players who don't get as many tournament matches in, such as cjherO | ||
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tl2212
Belize731 Posts
I think the whole idea of lan tournaments is very inconclusive, and matches are much better when players are given ample time to prepare. back in bw, finals would usually be after 1-2 weeks of break after the semis. I think this is how the game got a lot more creative with their abilties. Lan situations are much much more high pressure and high stress than a planned prepared for finals. When you look at the GO scene there are usually 2-3 days break in between their games of a series. these games can be up to 2 or 3 days long as well. If blizzard is trying to create a legitimate competition to find whomever is the best player in the world, I would say that it should probably should be more GSL style with the matches in the tournament take place over a month or two. A lot of the American ESports scene is used to lans and fast paced tournaments that take place locally. but because of the amount of travel you had to do it in 1 trip, where as in korea, all the pro gamers lived in Seoul so you could meet in the same place every week. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 11 2013 12:46 tl2212 wrote: This is really interesting because what this discussion is about is actually more like if the best player in the world can be determined, in a single weekend no less, which is in fact exactly what blizzard is trying to do. This whole tournament was to find out the "best sc2 player of 2013" but it happened in 1 weekend. I think the whole idea of lan tournaments is very inconclusive, and matches are much better when players are given ample time to prepare. back in bw, finals would usually be after 1-2 weeks of break after the semis. I think this is how the game got a lot more creative with their abilties. Lan situations are much much more high pressure and high stress than a planned prepared for finals. When you look at the GO scene there are usually 2-3 days break in between their games of a series. these games can be up to 2 or 3 days long as well. If blizzard is trying to create a legitimate competition to find whomever is the best player in the world, I would say that it should probably should be more GSL style with the matches in the tournament take place over a month or two. A lot of the American ESports scene is used to lans and fast paced tournaments that take place locally. but because of the amount of travel you had to do it in 1 trip, where as in korea, all the pro gamers lived in Seoul so you could meet in the same place every week. I'd like to see them more spread out too but in this day and age it's next to impossible. We've living in the day of the LAN weekend tournaments and I tried to look for solutions to it when I came up with a world tour circuit but it was next to impossible not to use the Western Model when it came to a circuit. It would still be an entire season, but it would definitely be a bit more conclusive with all the players travelling and playing on location and constantly battling one another but it just isn't reasonable to keep them in one spot if we truly want to have a global circuit. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On November 11 2013 12:14 Darkhoarse wrote: I'll bite and do a ranking. Keep in mind that I realize how subjective this is and I think most of these are SO close it is hard to call, and can change rapidly. 1. Dear 2. sOs 3. Trap 4.Rain 5. PartinG 6. Hurricane 7. Sora 8. Super 9. Avenge 10. HerO Hopefully this is at least pretty reasonable. Maybe there are others who should be up there but it is hard to rate players who don't get as many tournament matches in, such as cjherO Pretty good list, but I'd still put Rain over Trap. and I'd swap in First for Avenge. | ||
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DBS
515 Posts
On November 11 2013 06:13 chairmobile wrote: Gotta say Dear. His defense against multi-pronged harass is nothing short of amazing. I play zerg, and I really don't like Protoss players in general. In fact, I don't really like Dear ( no particular reason, maybe because he keeps beating my fave players). Despite my general disregard for both protoss and Dear, you have to respect the guy. Even outside his amazing results, winning WCS KR and the season finals against amazing players, his defense is simply amazing game to game. He is remarkably consistent and his one game against HerO (another protoss that I highly respect) was simply mindblowing (the one where HerO opened phoenix + stalker rush against dear's FE). He is the only protoss who i think can beat maru. Whenever they play it is the most epic thing of all time. I personally think maru would've shredded sOs if he was in the finals | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On November 11 2013 11:54 Yakikorosu wrote: I voted for Dear. sOs looked spectacular at Blizzcon but a large part of that was because he played with such an unorthodox approach and no one was prepared because he's been all but invisible in Seasons 2 and 3. Also he prepared really well for such a fast-paced tournament, being able to use the same surprise strategies over and over because people didn't have time to study them (like hiding expands on large maps, going proxy oracle against Terran, going cannon rush against Zerg, etc). I would vote 1) Dear 2) sOs 3) Rain 4) HerO 5) Trap 6) NaNiwa 7) PartinG 8) First 9) MC 10) Jim Caveat: Have not really seen San or Sora play much but they just haven't had enough results in major events yet (which is the same reason I've not seen them). Edit: Almost forgot this, but Dear and sOs actually met in WCS KR S3, and sOs won 2-0. Not that that's crucial in the determination or anything. MC #9 lol he was #1 in protoss money this year until two weeks ago. Still is #3 money protoss this year not to mention #1 overall all time and #1 last three years protoss. Haters gonna hate. Rain #3? Is this a joke? Mr turtle has won what? Gives you a good nights sleep? Someone who cant even make WCS global finals in top 3 rank is ridiculous bias. 1) Dear 2) sOs 3) MC 4) HerO 5) Parting 6) Yongwa 7) duckok 8) First 9) Jim 10) rain Money talks BS walks. | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
However, I do feel that the thing with MC is not so much that he's lost his ability, but that the competition has gotten much tougher. Way back in the day, tt used to be that MC's perfect forcefields, elite blink micro, and terrific engagement management were a rarity among even the Protoss of the time, and he'd win a lot of times simply by outmicroing his opponents. He got away with a lot of big risks that way. Eventually a few players like PartinG entered the scene who were on MC's level when it comes to micro, and the competition gradually better learned to adapt. But these days, it seems like more and more Protoss are appearing with truly stellar micro abilities. What once set MC apart has now become standard for true top tier Protosses like Dear or sOs or even Trap. MC is still very capable of winning games on gamesense and sheer balls. He's still a great, great player. But I do think he's been displaced at the top among Protoss by some players who can match him in mechanics while playing overall more stable styles. | ||
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