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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Infrastructure aside, it seemed like sOs got into JD's head really well and that's what contributed most to his victory. Do other Protoss players metagame their opponent this hard? Because you don't play SC professionally off of BO1's right? You try to win a tournament where (as inC said), metagame is REALLY important. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 11 2013 00:22 IntoTheheart wrote: This would be so much easier if every Protoss played in the same team league. Infrastructure aside, it seemed like sOs got into JD's head really well and that's what contributed most to his victory. Do other Protoss players metagame their opponent this hard? Because you don't play SC professionally off of BO1's right? You try to win a tournament where (as inC said), metagame is REALLY important. Yeah we really do need one team league, but even then we would want every player to meet one another constantly. When it comes to mind games. You have to give it to sHy. Dear does get more flustered then him when things aren't working out; whereas, sHy just goes on about his business and has no problem throwing curve balls based on what his opponent sees. I'd say Dear has better multitask (although sOs's storms were MINT); whereas, sHy takes bigger risks (how the bloody f does he make some of these unit compositions work where if you take out the key units the Protoss is basically fucked).. It's really hard for me to say which one I'd pick. If they were playing head to head. Dear would come out on top. It really comes down to what you value more. Ability to throw your opponent off and not get discouraged when it doesn't work or superior multitask that hits like a truck. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
sOs looks very strong atm | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On November 11 2013 00:35 StarStruck wrote: Yeah we really do need one team league, but even then we would want every player to meet one another constantly. When it comes to mind games. You have to give it to sHy. Dear does get more flustered then him when things aren't working out; whereas, sHy just goes on about his business and has no problem throwing curve balls based on what his opponent sees. I'd say Dear has better multitask (although sOs's storms were MINT); whereas, sHy takes bigger risks (how the bloody f does he make some of these unit compositions work where if you take out the key units the Protoss is basically fucked).. It's really hard for me to say which one I'd pick. If they were playing head to head. Dear would come out on top. It really comes down to what you value more. Ability to throw your opponent off and not get discouraged when it doesn't work or superior multitask that hits like a truck. I dunno. Are we talking about overall ability to win tournaments or overall ability to win games individually? 'Cuz sOs clearly had what it took. He read his opponent and then won. I'm not discounting other pro-gamers but it looked like sOs did some solid mindgaming. HyuN vs. JD in that one DH finals looked like JD just tried some really weird... thing in the last game and then just got rolled. SD vs. JD in the other DH finals was JD making a weird choice during a base-trade situation and having a very awkward Extractor. I"m not saying that HyuN and SD didn't play well, but it didn't look like they were metagaming nearly as hard. | ||
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
He just can't PvZ to save his life: http://aligulac.com/players/5/results/?after=&before=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=Filter | ||
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 11 2013 01:07 IntoTheheart wrote: I dunno. Are we talking about overall ability to win tournaments or overall ability to win games individually? 'Cuz sOs clearly had what it took. He read his opponent and then won. I'm not discounting other pro-gamers but it looked like sOs did some solid mindgaming. HyuN vs. JD in that one DH finals looked like JD just tried some really weird... thing in the last game and then just got rolled. SD vs. JD in the other DH finals was JD making a weird choice during a base-trade situation and having a very awkward Extractor. I"m not saying that HyuN and SD didn't play well, but it didn't look like they were metagaming nearly as hard. We're talking about both. It certainly helps to have a lot of tools in your kit to win an extended series (no, we're not talking about MLG extended series). Also, let's not discount the difference between reading what your opponent wants to do and pulling their leg to play in your hand. There is such a thing as forced errors and unforced errors as well. Jaedong has a habit of making a lot of costly mistakes. Some of them are forced, but the ones I can remember in my head? Unforced. Your comments might be right on the money even though I barely remember the DH series. ;/ Jaedong's made strides though and we're starting to see a better technical shift from him by saving more larva so he can react quicker to what his opponent is doing. Something that is very important in ZvP specifically. It's funny because in BW we see the role reversal. Protoss FEing became common practice and when you do that you have to play a reactive style to what the Zerg gives you more often than not. On November 11 2013 02:01 Cloak wrote: I would say Dear. SoS currently won, but only because he lucked out with not having to fight Maru. Jaedong and Dear both suffered the same hubris. They assumed their opponents wouldn't adapt to their previous strategies so perfectly. Dear just wins, regardless of the circumstances or whatever counterplay, and he's been doing that for months, until finally the Dong takes a series from him. Dear is the most frightening. Maru's style is very similar to Bomber's except he has better micro (he'd be better off at picking off those templars if he was in the same situation). Dear and sOs are both very scary. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On November 11 2013 03:41 LongShot27 wrote: The answer is obviously special tactics I can't remember the last time White Ra was in a tournament. I wonder what he's up to these days | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On November 11 2013 04:49 LongShot27 wrote: Providing analysis for blizzcon Protoss players tend to make pretty good casters and analysts. ToD, Incontrol, Artosis, Grubby...hell, even MC has been showing off casting chops lately. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11111 Posts
sOs I think deserves his props for writing the book on funky but winning protoss strategies. Rain though. Still stung by giving Maru a GSL -.- | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Thank you Dear. | ||
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Niue585 Posts
On November 11 2013 04:01 radscorpion9 wrote: I can't remember the last time White Ra was in a tournament. I wonder what he's up to these days | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
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