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Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
November 10 2013 06:40 GMT
#21
I think after this blizzcon, if it wasn't obvious before, it should be obvious now.

You just can't rank the top players. I mean you can, if you want, but it's not accurate.

There is no best player, or best protoss/zerg/terran. There's just a group of top players that can take games from each other at any moment.

sOs isn't the best player of the year, neither is SoulKey, or Jaedong, or INnoVation, or Dear. They're all top players well above most, but on the same level as the likes of Taeja, HerO, Bomber, Maru, Polt. And lots of players not mentioned here are also on their same level. Look at Jaedong's semi finals game where he "rises to the next level" and then gets crushed by sOs. Does that mean sOs is beyond that? Nope. They're clearly equals and sOs had some amazing new builds to bring the victory.

With that said, for fun, I voted for Dear, because his play has impressed me the most recently. But still, I think it should be pretty obvious that "best" doesn't actually exist in this game. Undecided on if that's a good thing or not.
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
November 10 2013 06:44 GMT
#22
1. Dear (The protoss version of BW Flash, seems unstoppable)
2. sOs (The trickster)
3. Rain (A weaker version of Dear)

IMO
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9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
November 10 2013 06:45 GMT
#23
And on top of that, who's the best terran? Terran seems to be in shambles right now, I suppose maru has to be the best but I have a hard time ever putting money on the guy.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
arcane1129
Profile Joined January 2011
United States271 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 06:51:22
November 10 2013 06:46 GMT
#24
I dont like when people simply chalk up sOs's wins to being something the other player isn't used to or that he's cheesy. While there is some of that, he hasn't used it or as a crutch or simply relied on braindead allins as so many other toss players have (though he mixes them in). His macro play is simply fantastic and his play is beautifully creative.

He might have the best anti drop defense of any toss I've seen. He was constantly saving bases that looked 100% dead and his reaction time was amazing. Without any prior vision he would instantly jump across the map from where his army was to immediately feedback/storm a medivac just barely boosting into his vision. It was unreal. In addition, his army positioning and composition is always spot on with constant, CONSTANT scouting and comes with some awesome reactionary play based on that scouting that no one else ever does.

On top of that, he constantly mixes up his play and mindgames the shit out of his opponent, making him one of the best series players so far.

I don't know if I can say he's 100% the best atm, but he's been doing some incredible, metagame advancing play, and people don't seem to realize it yet. I picked him to win blizzcon and my friend laughed at me...who's laughing now!? haha
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
November 10 2013 06:55 GMT
#25
sOs has been my favorite toss throughout the year, closely followed by HerO (only because of his warp prism love) and Dear.
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
vhapter
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil677 Posts
November 10 2013 07:00 GMT
#26
Trap is definitely among the best players too. His high templar control in late game PvT is phenomenal. His use of warp prisms to micro high templars in the late game is outstanding and beautiful to watch. I expect to see a lot from him in the near future!
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Xaax
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States102 Posts
November 10 2013 07:17 GMT
#27
I think MC's PvZ is the most solid right now with it looking really strong. At least from how I feel with seeing other toss on pvz.
So I think in this order for top PvZ is MC SoS ??? is how I feel.

For PvT: clearly we have to give this to Dear and Sos in a tie. They both give off the same aura that they are stable compare to the rest.

As for pvp, I have no clue everyone feels so close to each other.

In my opinion I really can't think we can lump all the toss to be the best in overall. It just doesn't seem that way to me at all at least from the past wcs event.
elwoodng
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore438 Posts
November 10 2013 07:23 GMT
#28
Currently it has to be Dear, though sOs winning the global finals is making me think about it.

P.s. Squirtle... your fans are still waiting for you to return to the top
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
November 10 2013 07:24 GMT
#29
Results speak for themselves, it has to be between Sos and Dear.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 10 2013 07:31 GMT
#30
imo, it's pretty indisputable that Hurricane is not only best toss, but best player, given that he holds the title of Unofficial World Champion
jjakji fan
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
November 10 2013 07:32 GMT
#31
Protoss players have to change their playstyle very often which makes it hard to stay at the top for a long time so it's nice to see a lot of Protoss doing well lately.

I love Rain and sOs but i think right now Dear is the best.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 10 2013 07:32 GMT
#32
To me Dear seems really good. I wasn't that impressed with sos where as dear just can play and look so dominating.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 10 2013 07:32 GMT
#33
On November 10 2013 16:31 slowbacontron wrote:
imo, it's pretty indisputable that Hurricane is not only best toss, but best player, given that he holds the title of Unofficial World Champion

I think we need a Hurrican vs sOs bo101 showmatch to decide that
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 10 2013 07:34 GMT
#34
On November 10 2013 16:32 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 16:31 slowbacontron wrote:
imo, it's pretty indisputable that Hurricane is not only best toss, but best player, given that he holds the title of Unofficial World Champion

I think we need a Hurrican vs sOs bo101 showmatch to decide that

hmm, Unofficial WC vs. Official WC. I guess the winner would be the Official Unofficial Official WC.
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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
November 10 2013 07:36 GMT
#35
On November 10 2013 15:00 slowbacontron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 14:55 Qwyn wrote:
Dear. sOs is just cheesy.

But both of them...must be annihilated.

Sorry, actually going to have to go with Naniwa...

You're letting your personal hatred for these players influence who you think is objectively more skilled -_- It's not a very constructive attitude.


YOUR HATRED IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH.

This is...not objective at all...thus...no point for this...discussion...

Hatred flows strongly.

And I...don't need to hear...your TALK...of constructive attitudes...
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
November 10 2013 07:36 GMT
#36
On November 10 2013 16:32 blade55555 wrote:
To me Dear seems really good. I wasn't that impressed with sos where as dear just can play and look so dominating.


I will agree with that.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
November 10 2013 07:37 GMT
#37
On November 10 2013 15:18 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 14:55 Qwyn wrote:
Dear. sOs is just cheesy.

But both of them...must be annihilated.

Sorry, actually going to have to go with Naniwa...

next level troll post


Consider the poll. Consider what just happened. Understand that I am using all my effort to keep this well of hatred back.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Suichoy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada397 Posts
November 10 2013 07:38 GMT
#38
I don't think it's accurate to characterize Dear as a timing-based player, to me his strength is to always be able to be aware of the various advantages (tech, army, economy) in a long macro game and know exactly what he has to do in order to even it up or to win.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 07:47:59
November 10 2013 07:38 GMT
#39
please try not to triple post

thanks man
jjakji fan
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 08:07:04
November 10 2013 07:46 GMT
#40
On November 10 2013 16:38 slowbacontron wrote:
please try not to triple post


Ok. If you say so.

No problem.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
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