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Top Dragon: Who is the world's best Protoss? - Page 3

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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
November 10 2013 07:47 GMT
#41
On November 10 2013 16:38 slowbacontron wrote:
please try not to triple post


independent research shows that triple posting will increase your chances of getting moderated by 56%.

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independent research also shows that people are 76% likely to lie on the internet
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Kingsky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore298 Posts
November 10 2013 07:54 GMT
#42
sOs he won blizzcon isnt that THE premier tournament >_>. how can people still vote for dear
Why do people hate the Colossus? Because the Colossus is like banksters from Wall Street: “too big to fail”. - TheDwF
dohgg
Profile Joined February 2011
310 Posts
November 10 2013 07:55 GMT
#43
I would say Dear is right now the most solid, but on the other hand, right now prottos isnt a race of solidness but more of mind games/strategy/tactics/gimmicky, and on that part i would give sos the edge.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
November 10 2013 07:55 GMT
#44
Had to vote Dear. Although sOs with more wins under his belt will be coming for that title next year.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 10 2013 07:58 GMT
#45
On November 10 2013 16:54 Kingsky wrote:
sOs he won blizzcon isnt that THE premier tournament >_>. how can people still vote for dear

WCS Korea S3 GSL was harder than Blizzcon and Dear won that as well as the S3 finals convincingly.
Pisko.
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
November 10 2013 07:58 GMT
#46
Rain
sOs
Dear
Parting
Trap
CJ herO
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 10 2013 08:12 GMT
#47
On November 10 2013 16:54 Kingsky wrote:
sOs he won blizzcon isnt that THE premier tournament >_>. how can people still vote for dear


Because a lot of sports based on weekend tournaments (not a season) are like this. Olympics are the best example. For a lot of sports, the olympics are THE premier event. But lots of times, the # 1 ranked player (the best) doesn't necessarily win due to things like condition that day, draws, a player getting hot. In sports like these, it is more about performing consistently.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 08:39:27
November 10 2013 08:37 GMT
#48
On November 10 2013 16:54 Kingsky wrote:
sOs he won blizzcon isnt that THE premier tournament >_>. how can people still vote for dear


It is interesting - I orginally voted for Dear but it is hard to say - sOs carpe diemed the shit out of Blizzcon, no one deserves the title more and yet lingering in the back of my mind is the question of sustainability for a champion like sOs...

Time will tell. How smart is his play though? Man that guy has some intelligence...tricked the shiznizzlebangfizzle out of JD!
lol.

hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
November 10 2013 08:46 GMT
#49
sOs was more of preparation, similar to Oz but with much greater execution.

If sOs played on multiple tournaments, his style would have been figured out eventually.

Dear is much more solid with every good defensive and offensive capability, so he does stand a much better chance to stand on his ground.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44225 Posts
November 10 2013 08:46 GMT
#50
its Dear buddy
this is a quote
Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
November 10 2013 08:54 GMT
#51
When players have figured out Dear's several timings, he will fall back to being an average code S protoss, and will never again be seen as a championship contender. Literally everything that could've worked out in his favor in WCS KR season 3 did so, and he was very fortunate to reach the finals, along with his average opponent, Soo. The season 3 finals came too soon for players, especially zerg, to figure out his timings. But Jaedong proved that once one has figured them out, Dear can do nothing but struggle helplessly in his mediocre lategame against superior SC2 players.
"I had to close the door so my parents wouldn't judge me." - ZombieGrub during the ShitfaceTradeTV stream
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
November 10 2013 08:58 GMT
#52
1. Dear
2. SoS
3. Naniwa
Pokemon Master
SoFrOsTy
Profile Joined December 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 09:09:16
November 10 2013 09:08 GMT
#53
I still think it is Rain. Though Dear and sos are amazing, Rain has been the best protoss since that first OSL. More than a year. He always does well in tournaments, he owned face in proleage. Sad he didn't have enough points to get to Blizzcon.
Julyzerg ftw
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 10 2013 09:09 GMT
#54
i personally think it's too close to call, we have a lot of awesome protoss in the scene
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 09:21:34
November 10 2013 09:21 GMT
#55
I was much more impressed by Dear than sOs, both are definitely top 3 though.
Moderatorlickypiddy
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 10 2013 09:37 GMT
#56
Poll: Who is the best Terran?

Maru - OSL win, three straight semi-finals (19)
 
58%

INnoVation - recently unimpressive but otherwise amazing this year (6)
 
18%

Bomber - WCS S2 win, good results elsewhere but inconsistent (5)
 
15%

Other - Polt, MMA, (2)
 
6%

TaeJa - strong foreign wins but hasn't shined as much as last year (1)
 
3%

33 total votes

Your vote: Who is the best Terran?

(Vote): INnoVation - recently unimpressive but otherwise amazing this year
(Vote): Maru - OSL win, three straight semi-finals
(Vote): Bomber - WCS S2 win, good results elsewhere but inconsistent
(Vote): TaeJa - strong foreign wins but hasn't shined as much as last year
(Vote): Other - Polt, MMA,


Poll: Who is the best Zerg?

Soulkey - amazingly consistent, high level player (21)
 
53%

Jaedong - looking great recently, but unable to eke out tournament golds (14)
 
35%

Life - Great micro and unique play (5)
 
13%

Other (0)
 
0%

40 total votes

Your vote: Who is the best Zerg?

(Vote): Soulkey - amazingly consistent, high level player
(Vote): Jaedong - looking great recently, but unable to eke out tournament golds
(Vote): Life - Great micro and unique play
(Vote): Other


i guess this is another interesting discussion for the two other races too
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 10 2013 09:45 GMT
#57
wow those biased terran poll descriptions gg
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 10 2013 09:50 GMT
#58
what better way to get votes
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 10:03:08
November 10 2013 09:58 GMT
#59
On November 10 2013 16:23 elwoodng wrote:


P.s. Squirtle... your fans are still waiting for you to return to the top

HOLY SHIT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

Currently Dear. The only toss so far that I regard as the complete package, though his last 2 games against JD where he seemed to pull out needless allins made me think twice. The image of Dear storm-dropping Maru amidst jaw-dropping terran aggression is burned into my retina though

On November 10 2013 17:54 Pontius Pirate wrote:
When players have figured out Dear's several timings, he will fall back to being an average code S protoss, and will never again be seen as a championship contender. Literally everything that could've worked out in his favor in WCS KR season 3 did so, and he was very fortunate to reach the finals, along with his average opponent, Soo. The season 3 finals came too soon for players, especially zerg, to figure out his timings. But Jaedong proved that once one has figured them out, Dear can do nothing but struggle helplessly in his mediocre lategame against superior SC2 players.

"Mediocre lategame"? He also showed epic lategame skills against Maru. This looks more like a typical post hating on the alleged "protoss is a gimmick race" concept. At the very least, I see Dear being as good as Innovation- extremely strong in 2 matchups and weak in one atm ost.
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
November 10 2013 10:02 GMT
#60
It's BroodWar come again.
Here we have the Three Kings and the Legend of the Fall all over again with three protoss championships (two champions) and three great protosses.
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
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