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On November 07 2013 15:22 Random_0 wrote:No, seeking money and seeking greatness are different things. Look at what Jaedong has done this year. By the standards of money, Jaedong has been exceptionally successful. According to SC2Earnings.com, he has earned $66,235 in 2013, well more than MC has. But, I would guess that he would trade all that cash for a championship like WCS America. MC, on the other hand? Would take the money. Which is why I savor Jaedong's victories far more than I will MC's.
If you and the writer of this article watched MC's interview at WCS Europe season three where Incontrol mentioned money and MC's response was I have a lot of money, all I need now is my fans, my friends and my managers, you would not write such a thing. Also your comparison between MC and Jaedong is very poor, they are in fact very similar. Both are members of the old guard trying to recapture their previous heights, the only difference is that MC's success is in SC2 and Jaedong's is in BW.
You could also look at MC's reaction at the recent Season three finals when he beat Hack and went straight into the crowd and embraced the fans, along with what he said in the following interview that shows his passions for his fans, the game and to be a champion again for himself and his supporters.
Finally Jaedong has earned 66,000 this year as you say, but if you bothered to look just a few places below you would see MC sitting with 56,000 for the year, far closer than the well more than you stated, and in fact MC stands a great chance with Homestory Cup and Red Bull coming up to end the year above Jaedong.
I appreciate that you are a Jaedong fan but that does not mean that you can make baseless statements about another player, especially when they contradict much of what he has said and done recently.
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On November 07 2013 18:15 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 18:07 lost_artz wrote:On November 07 2013 13:49 Emon_ wrote:On November 07 2013 13:38 Advantageous wrote:
"The bitter truth is that MC is no longer a player you expect to tangle with the best his homeland has to offer."
I resent this quote as a MC fan (since prior to winning his first GSL against July)... Yes, I can read that it says "The bitter truth", but I still resent it... Would we ever say this about MVP? no. MMA? no. then why MC? The fact of the matter is, MC is no longer a player you expect to tangle with the best his homeland has to offer If this was true he wouldn't be in a tournament with the best his homeland has to offer. He didn't get there through WCS Korea though which makes a world of difference
Nor did MVP, MMA, Polt, Jaedong, yet they are all considered to some of the best (Korean) players currently. You also need to remember that there's no reason to compete in the absolute hardest league if the end result is still having a chance at the finals, Blizzon in this case. In fact it's a smart move on all of their parts to choose easier leagues as they have a better chance of winning.
Fans and fame aside, Esports is a job/career and people need to make a living. If that means going for the easy money be my guest.
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On November 07 2013 13:04 Pandain wrote:
lol @ acronym
Thanks to SC2, I actually realised that "CREAM" is the acronym for cash rules everything around me.
I always knew the lyrics to that song, but never joined the dots.
Thank you Christelle, SC2 and MC
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Dont like the tone or focus of this article. MC deserves better.
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On November 07 2013 18:38 lost_artz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 18:15 Zealously wrote:On November 07 2013 18:07 lost_artz wrote:On November 07 2013 13:49 Emon_ wrote:On November 07 2013 13:38 Advantageous wrote:
"The bitter truth is that MC is no longer a player you expect to tangle with the best his homeland has to offer."
I resent this quote as a MC fan (since prior to winning his first GSL against July)... Yes, I can read that it says "The bitter truth", but I still resent it... Would we ever say this about MVP? no. MMA? no. then why MC? The fact of the matter is, MC is no longer a player you expect to tangle with the best his homeland has to offer If this was true he wouldn't be in a tournament with the best his homeland has to offer. He didn't get there through WCS Korea though which makes a world of difference Nor did MVP, MMA, Polt, Jaedong, yet they are all considered to some of the best (Korean) players currently. You also need to remember that there's no reason to compete in the absolute hardest league if the end result is still having a chance at the finals, Blizzon in this case. In fact it's a smart move on all of their parts to choose easier leagues as they have a better chance of winning. Fans and fame aside, Esports is a job/career and people need to make a living. If that means going for the easy money be my guest.
Polt won back to back WCS America, MLG and WCS Season 2.
Jaedong got 2 places in WCS America, WCS Season 2, 2 Dreamhack
MVP is not currently rank as a top korean even if everyone acknowledge the fact that he is the king of preparation period. I will never ever doubt even a vanquished MVP in a BO5
MMA is in the same shape that MC I guess
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On November 07 2013 18:47 Fjodorov wrote:
Dont like the tone or focus of this article. MC deserves better.
Totally agree, after the MVP article first I was expecting MC to be the last one posted considering they are the two old guard players and it is incredibly impressive that they are even at the grand finals considering how many other players have come and gone in that time.
What makes it even worse is that MVP did very well in season one but did nothing after whereas MC did the opposite and the way he prepared for and subsequently crushed Soulkey, the best zerg in the world at the moment, in the group stages shows that he can in fact compete with and beat the best in the world. To focus on the fact that MC is the biggest money winner in SC2 is fine if you use that to lead into his incredibly consistency,longevity and ability to win when the community had already agreed that his time was done. But in this case they made it seem like his only motivation is to win money but it was clear even in the quote in the article that he only cares about money because he is at the top of the leader board, so of course he wants to keep it. He will never catch MVP's number of GSL titles but he has a chance to set a money winning total that no one else can ever match. It may be true that his legacy will at least somewhat be tied to how much money he won throughout his career but to pretend that money is the be all end for MC is just not true.
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On November 07 2013 15:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Hey, this is real talent. So much feel in this. It gives me a feeling of some1 past his prime, still respected by many, trying to overcome and prove the world. Haha, my imagination.
Yeah except that he doesn't look that awesome anymore just obese... Hope he gets back in shape.
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United Kingdom12042 Posts
CREAM. Ok that's incredible.
MC gonna get dat cash monies.
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He lives up to his nickname, the Obama Toss, with all those dollars!
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You really didn't pick the greatest picture of him (btw that's what I think about most of this player previews). Thx for the article though!
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On November 07 2013 19:05 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 15:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On November 07 2013 13:34 awesomoecalypse wrote:![[image loading]](http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/301/d/0/sk_mc___the_boss_toss_by_hanzosc2-d6s4xxv.jpg) Hey, this is real talent. So much feel in this. It gives me a feeling of some1 past his prime, still respected by many, trying to overcome and prove the world. Haha, my imagination. Yeah except that he doesn't look that awesome anymore just obese... Hope he gets back in shape.
How can you even say such things? Don't we all love gaming as it allows all of us to compete as equals without giving advantage to anyone based on gender/race/size/weight? Judging somebody like MC simply because you don't like his physical appearance is not only rude it also makes me question how someone like that can even like esports. If you use the retarded standards of society for what is "pretty", sure pro gamers are just a bunch of nerds. However isn't one of the beautiful things about esports that anyone can become the star just based on his mind and hand/eye coordination?
MC didn't get to his huge fanbase by looking pretty, or being physically appealing based on our current western standards, no MC won his fans by his beautiful play and his ability to overcome all odds over and over again, by wanting to win more than anyone else. And to disrespect somebody like that who I truly look up to by simply saying he is "just obese", to reduce a great man like Jang Min Chul to the fact that society has told you that being obese is something you should look down upon is just beyond sad, I truly feel ashamed using the same forum as you do. I for one only hope for MC to be happy, and if he is happy being "obese" then fuck it who am I to judge?
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On November 07 2013 13:34 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Lol, awesome drawing!
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On November 07 2013 19:19 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 19:05 thezanursic wrote:On November 07 2013 15:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On November 07 2013 13:34 awesomoecalypse wrote: Hey, this is real talent. So much feel in this. It gives me a feeling of some1 past his prime, still respected by many, trying to overcome and prove the world. Haha, my imagination. Yeah except that he doesn't look that awesome anymore just obese... Hope he gets back in shape. How can you even say such things? Don't we all love gaming as it allows all of us to compete as equals without giving advantage to anyone based on gender/race/size/weight? Judging somebody like MC simply because you don't like his physical appearance is not only rude it also makes me question how someone like that can even like esports. If you use the retarded standards of society for what is "pretty", sure pro gamers are just a bunch of nerds. However isn't one of the beautiful things about esports that anyone can become the star just based on his mind and hand/eye coordination? MC didn't get to his huge fanbase by looking pretty, or being physically appealing based on our current western standards, no MC won his fans by his beautiful play and his ability to overcome all odds over and over again, by wanting to win more than anyone else. And to disrespect somebody like that who I truly look up to by simply saying he is "just obese", to reduce a great man like Jang Min Chul to the fact that society has told you that being obese is something you should look down upon is just beyond sad, I truly feel ashamed using the same forum as you do. I for one only hope for MC to be happy, and if he is happy being "obese" then fuck it who am I to judge?
I respect the hell out of MC for his perseverence and for everything he has accomplished in SC2, but obesity is bad. The appearance aspect of it is actually irrelevant, obesity is bad for your health. Not because he looks fat - I couldn't give less of a shit, but because it could potentially be bad foor his health.
Of course, the comment you're replying to wasn't trying to say that, but keep it in mind.
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On November 07 2013 19:02 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 18:38 lost_artz wrote:On November 07 2013 18:15 Zealously wrote:On November 07 2013 18:07 lost_artz wrote:On November 07 2013 13:49 Emon_ wrote:On November 07 2013 13:38 Advantageous wrote:
"The bitter truth is that MC is no longer a player you expect to tangle with the best his homeland has to offer."
I resent this quote as a MC fan (since prior to winning his first GSL against July)... Yes, I can read that it says "The bitter truth", but I still resent it... Would we ever say this about MVP? no. MMA? no. then why MC? The fact of the matter is, MC is no longer a player you expect to tangle with the best his homeland has to offer If this was true he wouldn't be in a tournament with the best his homeland has to offer. He didn't get there through WCS Korea though which makes a world of difference Nor did MVP, MMA, Polt, Jaedong, yet they are all considered to some of the best (Korean) players currently. You also need to remember that there's no reason to compete in the absolute hardest league if the end result is still having a chance at the finals, Blizzon in this case. In fact it's a smart move on all of their parts to choose easier leagues as they have a better chance of winning. Fans and fame aside, Esports is a job/career and people need to make a living. If that means going for the easy money be my guest. Polt won back to back WCS America, MLG and WCS Season 2. Jaedong got 2 places in WCS America, WCS Season 2, 2 Dreamhack MVP is not currently rank as a top korean even if everyone acknowledge the fact that he is the king of preparation period. I will never ever doubt even a vanquished MVP in a BO5 MMA is in the same shape that MC I guess
Meanwhile MC took 2nd in WCS Seasons 2+3 for Europe, 3rd/4th at IEM Shanghai (2013-07-28) and 4th at the 2013 MLG Winter Championship (2013-03-17). Sure he hasn't taken 1st in a major tournament recently but that doesn't mean he's passed his prime. His results speak for themselves.
Everyone he lost to in those tournaments, expect Revival, is playing in Blizzcon so he could certainly be knocked out early but, to say he's not up to par is ridiculous.
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On November 07 2013 19:26 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 19:19 Lorch wrote:On November 07 2013 19:05 thezanursic wrote:On November 07 2013 15:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On November 07 2013 13:34 awesomoecalypse wrote: Hey, this is real talent. So much feel in this. It gives me a feeling of some1 past his prime, still respected by many, trying to overcome and prove the world. Haha, my imagination. Yeah except that he doesn't look that awesome anymore just obese... Hope he gets back in shape. How can you even say such things? Don't we all love gaming as it allows all of us to compete as equals without giving advantage to anyone based on gender/race/size/weight? Judging somebody like MC simply because you don't like his physical appearance is not only rude it also makes me question how someone like that can even like esports. If you use the retarded standards of society for what is "pretty", sure pro gamers are just a bunch of nerds. However isn't one of the beautiful things about esports that anyone can become the star just based on his mind and hand/eye coordination? MC didn't get to his huge fanbase by looking pretty, or being physically appealing based on our current western standards, no MC won his fans by his beautiful play and his ability to overcome all odds over and over again, by wanting to win more than anyone else. And to disrespect somebody like that who I truly look up to by simply saying he is "just obese", to reduce a great man like Jang Min Chul to the fact that society has told you that being obese is something you should look down upon is just beyond sad, I truly feel ashamed using the same forum as you do. I for one only hope for MC to be happy, and if he is happy being "obese" then fuck it who am I to judge? I respect the hell out of MC for his perseverence and for everything he has accomplished in SC2, but obesity is bad. The appearance aspect of it is actually irrelevant, obesity is bad for your health. Not because he looks fat - I couldn't give less of a shit, but because it could potentially be bad foor his health. Of course, the comment you're replying to wasn't trying to say that, but keep it in mind.
Well of course I do agree if he'll continue gaining weight it'll end up being bad for his health. But imo compared to some of the people I have seen I'd describe MC as slightly overweight and besides the risk of gaining more weight I don't really see anything wrong with that. In a perfect world all progamers would be in perfect shape and super healthy with government supported health programs for them. However we live in a world were, especially people who live on their own like MC, sit in front of a computer all day and tbh I'm shocked that there aren't more koreans who are a bit more overweight. I guess I just think that MC is a lot less overweight as people try to say it. There are a bunch of westerner pro gamers, not gonna call anyone out, who are actually so overweight that it does endanger their health.
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Apparently now Soulkey isn't among 'the best his homeland has to offer'. Disappointed with this article, all the rest were awesome, this one just disrespectful. Not that such a thing is new in regards to how people treat MC, but that doesn't make it right.
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On November 07 2013 15:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Hey, this is real talent. So much feel in this. It gives me a feeling of some1 past his prime, still respected by many, trying to overcome and prove the world. Haha, my imagination.
Yeah, it's so good.
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holla holla mc
the true sad truth is that noone from eu region is even close to being a championship contender
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As an MC fan I also resent this article somewhat - the last paragraph is the only thing that saves it in my eyes.
I don't know which Games the author watched, but from what I can see MC is in his best form since quite a while, his games looked crisp and perfect as in his prime - sure every once in a while he stumbles, but no one can be perfect for an extended period of time.
In the season finals he lost to the Dear who simply totally dominated that tournament, there is no shame in that. I am also pretty sure that at his current level MC could be beat all of the other old stars.
Last but not least, there is no other player that did this much for SC2 as an E-Sport, simply by communicating, interacting, creating a good show and generally putting in effort outside the game.
Show some respect for the president!
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