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iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 13:17:15
November 03 2013 13:16 GMT
#701
I just wanted to chime in with support for the changes in the video, at least on the test realm at some point. Looking at them made me remember all those epic moments from BW when the pros made the impossible possible.

Also +1 support to the idea of subtitling it to Korean, as was mentioned earlier. Or possibly voice-over (with LaLush's permission) if that's easier.
lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
November 03 2013 13:57 GMT
#702
Great analysis. While I don't think every BW micro trick should be ported to SC2, I do agree that micro-ability must be as consistent and reliable as possible.

SC2 tends to go for the visual flair over microability, and it's appreciated to a certain extant - I mean, I do find it more visually pleasing to see unclumped vikings vs. a super-stack of vikings.

Ideally, SC2 should be just as microable as BW (and even more so, if you consider dragoon AI, etc.) yet still have the same visual appeal.
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
November 03 2013 15:16 GMT
#703
On November 03 2013 17:28 playnice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 12:15 Big J wrote:
On November 03 2013 09:31 Yorbon wrote:
^
I think it's pretty natural the marine is disliked because of the micro potential: it's nearly the only unit in the game one is able to micro to such an extent. An opponent without that possibility would be terribly frustrated.


I don't think people's occasional dislike for the marine has anything to do with the behaviour of that unit, but rather with it dominating every single XvT matchup in terms of strategies.

"MMM deals with everything"... sounds familiar?

MMM can deal with everything has a lot to do with Marines having 0 damage point though, which does in fact define the behavior of that unit.


And the fact you can fit so many in such a small space. They have potent kill zones since so many can be fireing at one spot.
Kokosaft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany172 Posts
November 03 2013 15:44 GMT
#704
This is very interesting and informative.
I really hope blizzard listens and revisits some (if not all) of the mentioned points.

Thanks a lot.
Scrutinizer
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
November 03 2013 16:45 GMT
#705
One of the best contributions to the site imho.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
November 03 2013 16:55 GMT
#706
quake live has a lot of micro, but it does lack somewhat in the visual department
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L3monsta
Profile Joined May 2012
New Zealand149 Posts
November 03 2013 18:45 GMT
#707
On November 03 2013 22:16 iMAniaC wrote:Also +1 support to the idea of subtitling it to Korean, as was mentioned earlier. Or possibly voice-over (with LaLush's permission) if that's easier.

I very much so agree on this..
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 19:30:58
November 03 2013 19:30 GMT
#708
On November 04 2013 03:45 L3monsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 22:16 iMAniaC wrote:Also +1 support to the idea of subtitling it to Korean, as was mentioned earlier. Or possibly voice-over (with LaLush's permission) if that's easier.

I very much so agree on this..


+1 here. i'd be very, very interested to hear the opinions of korean pros about this video.
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
November 03 2013 19:54 GMT
#709
u deserve a medal . great job
Top50 GM EU Protoss from Bulgaria. Streaming with commentary : www.twitch.tv/hwbgmethix
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
November 03 2013 20:08 GMT
#710
Did blizzard publicly say anything about this? Just really curious, i don't think i've seen blizzard acknowledge this video and research anywhere.
Sup
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
November 03 2013 20:12 GMT
#711
On November 04 2013 05:08 avilo wrote:
Did blizzard publicly say anything about this? Just really curious, i don't think i've seen blizzard acknowledge this video and research anywhere.

+ 1 on this I'd love to hear blizz's thoughts on this issue
rrwrwx
Profile Joined March 2011
United States247 Posts
November 03 2013 20:40 GMT
#712
That was a fantastic video. Incredibly informative and well made.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
November 03 2013 20:43 GMT
#713
On November 03 2013 12:15 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 09:31 Yorbon wrote:
^
I think it's pretty natural the marine is disliked because of the micro potential: it's nearly the only unit in the game one is able to micro to such an extent. An opponent without that possibility would be terribly frustrated.


I don't think people's occasional dislike for the marine has anything to do with the behaviour of that unit, but rather with it dominating every single XvT matchup in terms of strategies.

"MMM deals with everything"... sounds familiar?
Well, i understand, but my guess is that is because of it's microability. In my view, we're saying the same thing
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25107 Posts
November 03 2013 20:49 GMT
#714
Anybody reposted on the Blizz forums yet?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Val_
Profile Joined May 2010
Ukraine156 Posts
November 03 2013 21:15 GMT
#715
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

nice job
AKA [7x]Val / GML Terran EU
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 03 2013 21:43 GMT
#716
On November 04 2013 05:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
Anybody reposted on the Blizz forums yet?


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10418331752
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10388189352
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10388239394
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10387709440
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10388639387
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10423542387

It doesn't gain much traffic I'm afraid.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 22:34:02
November 03 2013 22:07 GMT
#717
Anyone willing to translate it into their native language is welcome to contact me. I've already finished a basic english transcript with timestamps, so it should be easy for you.

Especially nice if someone could translate it to korean.

Subtitles can be done in 1 of 2 ways:

1. Send me a PM with your googleaccount (email name) and the language you want to translate the video into. I will then share access with you to my video's subtitling feature on youtube. There is already a working transcript in english with time stamps. You basically only have to do a sentence by sentence translation.

2. You download one of the following raw subtitle files: .srt-format or .vtt-format. You then edit them yourself in a subtitle editor program and reupload them for me to download.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 00:35:22
November 04 2013 00:31 GMT
#718
On November 04 2013 07:07 LaLuSh wrote:
Anyone willing to translate it into their native language is welcome to contact me. I've already finished a basic english transcript with timestamps, so it should be easy for you.

Especially nice if someone could translate it to korean.

Subtitles can be done in 1 of 2 ways:

1. Send me a PM with your googleaccount (email name) and the language you want to translate the video into. I will then share access with you to my video's subtitling feature on youtube. There is already a working transcript in english with time stamps. You basically only have to do a sentence by sentence translation.

2. You download one of the following raw subtitle files: .srt-format or .vtt-format. You then edit them yourself in a subtitle editor program and reupload them for me to download.

You are really good at being useful. Like, you weren't just like, "Sure, you can subtitle my stuff!" You were like, "Sure, you can subtitle my stuff, and here is exactly how you can go about it in case you don't know. By the way, I've typed up a transcript so you don't have to spend so much time listening to my video! Have a nice day! "
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
November 04 2013 00:35 GMT
#719
I hope Blizzard at least considers making some of these changes, I'd love for air units to move more fluidly.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 04 2013 00:37 GMT
#720
On November 04 2013 07:07 LaLuSh wrote:
Anyone willing to translate it into their native language is welcome to contact me. I've already finished a basic english transcript with timestamps, so it should be easy for you.

Especially nice if someone could translate it to korean.

Subtitles can be done in 1 of 2 ways:

1. Send me a PM with your googleaccount (email name) and the language you want to translate the video into. I will then share access with you to my video's subtitling feature on youtube. There is already a working transcript in english with time stamps. You basically only have to do a sentence by sentence translation.

2. You download one of the following raw subtitle files: .srt-format or .vtt-format. You then edit them yourself in a subtitle editor program and reupload them for me to download.


If time permits, I'll write up a Chinese translation and/or a French one.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
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