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Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
October 29 2013 17:35 GMT
#601
On October 30 2013 02:21 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:14 Martijn wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 xHaroldx wrote:
Because i believe when Nani played his matches, nobody knew their seeding would be meaningless.


That I can dismiss. My players have known for much longer than that.

On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:22 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 00:57 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On October 30 2013 00:09 Storm71 wrote:
I didn't see anyone offering a bounty to Naniwa's opponents when HE was playing his challenger league matches.

LOL @ the notion that this isn't shady.

I don't see anything wrong with it.


Why should Revival face an additional hurdle in Challenger League when nobody else had to?

Bounties such as this undermines fair competition. Hopefully, it was just a joke by Naniwa and he wasn't serious.


What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


Naniwa was in the same position as Revival this season. How is it fair for Naniwa to play against players who have no incentive to win, but not Revival?

Wait when? I need proof that the match that qualified Naniwa for Blizzcon was played against someone who did stand to win anything. I am not sure that is correct at all.


Someone will have to double check the math to confirm, but without the points Naniwa got from his run this last season, he would've been out. All I can definitely say is that my players already knew, so I surely assume Nani did. I'm certain because I had to explain it to my players before the last seasons qualifier.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 29 2013 17:35 GMT
#602
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:22 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 00:57 NovemberstOrm wrote:
[quote]
I don't see anything wrong with it.


Why should Revival face an additional hurdle in Challenger League when nobody else had to?

Bounties such as this undermines fair competition. Hopefully, it was just a joke by Naniwa and he wasn't serious.


What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 29 2013 17:36 GMT
#603
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:22 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 00:57 NovemberstOrm wrote:
[quote]
I don't see anything wrong with it.


Why should Revival face an additional hurdle in Challenger League when nobody else had to?

Bounties such as this undermines fair competition. Hopefully, it was just a joke by Naniwa and he wasn't serious.


What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.

Because the players will magically become better with $500 on the line.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Storm71
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada55 Posts
October 29 2013 17:38 GMT
#604
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:22 Storm71 wrote:
[quote]

Why should Revival face an additional hurdle in Challenger League when nobody else had to?

Bounties such as this undermines fair competition. Hopefully, it was just a joke by Naniwa and he wasn't serious.


What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
October 29 2013 17:39 GMT
#605
This forfeiting the challenger league without any consequences is making a farce out of the whole challenger league I feel. Once word was out that it wouldn't necessarily give you a spot in the premier league the challenger league EU went downhill pretty quickly and that is something Blizzard really shouldn't have allowed, because it clearly damages their tournament.

Forfeits for no good reason* should prohibit the player from participating in Season 1 altogether. Throwing matches is not what SC2 needs.

Other than that I can't believe how much Naniwa is keeping this forum active, be it through qualification probabilities or simply funny tweets. 30 pages already because of this joke?? Insane!


*Attending your own funeral is the only valid reason I can think of.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Storm71
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada55 Posts
October 29 2013 17:40 GMT
#606
On October 30 2013 02:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:22 Storm71 wrote:
[quote]

Why should Revival face an additional hurdle in Challenger League when nobody else had to?

Bounties such as this undermines fair competition. Hopefully, it was just a joke by Naniwa and he wasn't serious.


What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.

Because the players will magically become better with $500 on the line.


No, not better, just perform better. Do you not believe that financial incentives has an impact on performance?
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 17:43:45
October 29 2013 17:41 GMT
#607
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:22 Storm71 wrote:
[quote]

Why should Revival face an additional hurdle in Challenger League when nobody else had to?

Bounties such as this undermines fair competition. Hopefully, it was just a joke by Naniwa and he wasn't serious.


What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


For a minute assuming that is actually the correct group. Taeja forfeited his bracket phase match already. Otherwise it could've been Minigun in his place. So now you'd have a player who forfeited a match that would've landed him in Premier looking to take out Revival (and only Revival) specifically. That doesn't sit uneasy with you?
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 29 2013 17:41 GMT
#608
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
[quote]

What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.


What hurdle? Playing against the same players he would normally face without the bounty only they do their best instead? I just don't see how that is bad.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 29 2013 17:41 GMT
#609
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
[quote]

What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

But you haven't provided any reason why is distortes fair competition. It's the same players, same game. One player might b play "harder", but they don't gain an advantage from the $500.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
October 29 2013 17:43 GMT
#610
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
[quote]

What additional hurdle?

He faces off against the same people he normally would had there been no bet.


You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

No other challenger league players have to face the hurdle of their opponent playing for a spot at Blizzcon, so Revival is clearly the one with the incentive. He has a $5,000 incentive, they have $500. Unfair to them.
HOLY CHECK!
Storm71
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada55 Posts
October 29 2013 17:44 GMT
#611
On October 30 2013 02:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
[quote]

You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

But you haven't provided any reason why is distortes fair competition. It's the same players, same game. One player might b play "harder", but they don't gain an advantage from the $500.


You don't think it's easier to beat someone who has no incentive vs someone with $500 on the line?
Storm71
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada55 Posts
October 29 2013 17:46 GMT
#612
On October 30 2013 02:43 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:10 Storm71 wrote:
[quote]

You don't think there's a difference between facing players with no incentive to win and facing players who are being paid $500 to beat you?

Clearly Naniwa thought offering a bounty would increase Revival's chance of losing.

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

No other challenger league players have to face the hurdle of their opponent playing for a spot at Blizzcon, so Revival is clearly the one with the incentive. He has a $5,000 incentive, they have $500. Unfair to them.


What about the players Naniwa faced in challenger?

Luckily for Naniwa, no one was bribing the players HE faced.
orBitual
Profile Joined January 2011
United States96 Posts
October 29 2013 17:47 GMT
#613
On October 30 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:41 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

But you haven't provided any reason why is distortes fair competition. It's the same players, same game. One player might b play "harder", but they don't gain an advantage from the $500.


You don't think it's easier to beat someone who has no incentive vs someone with $500 on the line?


Of course he does, he just made this argument a few posts earlier:

Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win?

Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 29 2013 17:48 GMT
#614
On October 30 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:41 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

But you haven't provided any reason why is distortes fair competition. It's the same players, same game. One player might b play "harder", but they don't gain an advantage from the $500.


You don't think it's easier to beat someone who has no incentive vs someone with $500 on the line?


And you would rather Select and Jon SNow play lazier than harder?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 17:49:03
October 29 2013 17:48 GMT
#615
On October 30 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:41 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

But you haven't provided any reason why is distortes fair competition. It's the same players, same game. One player might b play "harder", but they don't gain an advantage from the $500.


You don't think it's easier to beat someone who has no incentive vs someone with $500 on the line?

What did your teachers tell you about answering a question with another question? It's bad. I fail to see how it is unfair. It's the same game and same players. You haven't provided any reason to think the $500 will make the games unfair. What are your reasons? How will it change the matches and players?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
October 29 2013 17:48 GMT
#616
On October 29 2013 23:48 sunshinehero wrote:
When are the matches?


The first group is on October 31 according to this: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_America/Challenger

According to people in this topic Revival seems to be in a group with Taeja, JonSnow and Select but I am still waiting for anybody to link a source for this information.
http://www.twitter.com/Paragleiber
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12583 Posts
October 29 2013 17:49 GMT
#617
On October 30 2013 02:46 Storm71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:43 Lonyo wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, but why is Revival entitled to match against players who have no incentive to win? How is it unfair to him in any way?


He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

No other challenger league players have to face the hurdle of their opponent playing for a spot at Blizzcon, so Revival is clearly the one with the incentive. He has a $5,000 incentive, they have $500. Unfair to them.


What about the players Naniwa faced in challenger?

Luckily for Naniwa, no one was bribing the players HE faced.


Clearly, that's why he won. If ForGG was bribed, he would have just decided not to lose.
No will to live, no wish to die
Storm71
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada55 Posts
October 29 2013 17:51 GMT
#618
On October 30 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:41 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
[quote]

He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

But you haven't provided any reason why is distortes fair competition. It's the same players, same game. One player might b play "harder", but they don't gain an advantage from the $500.


You don't think it's easier to beat someone who has no incentive vs someone with $500 on the line?

What did your teachers tell you about answering a question with another question? It's bad. I fail to see how it is unfair. It's the same game and same players. You haven't provided any reason to think the $500 will make the games unfair. What are your reasons? How will it change the matches and players?


I already stated that providing a $500 bounty makes the matches harder for Revival. But you just want to argue semantics instead of actually acknowledging what I posted.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 29 2013 17:52 GMT
#619
On October 30 2013 02:49 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:46 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:43 Lonyo wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
[quote]

He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

No other challenger league players have to face the hurdle of their opponent playing for a spot at Blizzcon, so Revival is clearly the one with the incentive. He has a $5,000 incentive, they have $500. Unfair to them.


What about the players Naniwa faced in challenger?

Luckily for Naniwa, no one was bribing the players HE faced.


Clearly, that's why he won. If ForGG was bribed, he would have just decided not to lose.


Maybe Hyun was bribed too? Maybe everyone in IEM was bribed, only Life didn't take the money!

This is getting... no, this IS silly.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Storm71
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada55 Posts
October 29 2013 17:52 GMT
#620
On October 30 2013 02:48 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:41 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:32 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:28 Storm71 wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:16 Storm71 wrote:
[quote]

He shouldn't have to worry about a third party giving his opponents an extra incentive. No other sc2 pro who was fighting for a Blizzcon spot had to face that hurdle.

Why? What about the players who got points and qualified against player who stood to win 10K or more in prize money? What if the girl he liked agreed to go on a date with him if he won? Is that bad too?


There's a huge distinction between competing for tournament prize money and being a mercenary for someone else.


A mercenary is someeone you pay to go after someone.

Naniwa is not paying people to change the matchups. Revival will face the same players whether or not a bounty is out.


Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.

Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.


Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair?


No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad.

But you haven't provided any reason why is distortes fair competition. It's the same players, same game. One player might b play "harder", but they don't gain an advantage from the $500.


You don't think it's easier to beat someone who has no incentive vs someone with $500 on the line?


And you would rather Select and Jon SNow play lazier than harder?


No, I would rather the matches be played without any of the players acting as a mercenary for a third party.
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