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On October 30 2013 03:04 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 02:58 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 02:55 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 02:51 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 02:44 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 02:41 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 02:38 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 02:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:On October 30 2013 02:34 Storm71 wrote:
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Unless of course, Taeja changes his mind about forfeiting an otherwise meaningless match for him.
Like I said, that's what bounties from third parties do, they present extra hurdles for players and distorts fair competition.
Wait, so giving incentives so that players who left the group comes back into the group is bad and unfair? No, that's not what I posted. Distorting fair competition is bad. Giving players an extra hurdle which no other sc2 pro had to face is bad. But you haven't provided any reason why is distortes fair competition. It's the same players, same game. One player might b play "harder", but they don't gain an advantage from the $500. You don't think it's easier to beat someone who has no incentive vs someone with $500 on the line? What did your teachers tell you about answering a question with another question? It's bad. I fail to see how it is unfair. It's the same game and same players. You haven't provided any reason to think the $500 will make the games unfair. What are your reasons? How will it change the matches and players? I already stated that providing a $500 bounty makes the matches harder for Revival. But you just want to argue semantics instead of actually acknowledging what I posted. No you didn't. You just said his opponents might be more modivated. That's not proof of unfairness. You can't prove they are not inspired to win right now. Your whole theory centers around the idea theses players don't want to win unless they are going to get money for winning, but you have not proven it. They might be, they might not be. Clearly Naniwa thinks offering a bounty increased Revival's chances of losing. Apparently you don't seem to agree. Its clear that Naniwa wants to give Revival a hard time by jabbing him with a bounty on Twitter so they can shit talk with each other before their tie breakers. If Naniwa really wanted to backroom deal his way to the top ranks he would not be doing it out in the fucking open. And no, we don't know how hard Select and Snow are working on their matchups. For all we know they're just playing call of duty instead of practicing. Or maybe they think this is their last chance to make a splash in SC2 before the winter sets in and we simply focus purely on Blizzcon. The worse case scenario for this bounty is that players who are expected to play their best actually do play their best.
You can read Naniwa's mind? Wow you're good.
I guess that is the worst case scenario if you don't value fair competition.
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Regardless of whether it's moral, it does seem kinda mean of Naniwa to do.
Then again, that's not exactly unexpected. It adds some flavor to the scene, so I'm not mad.
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On October 30 2013 03:02 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:00 Storm71 wrote:
Wow.. you really are good at putting words in other people's mouth. Do you know for a fact that they would play worse without the bounty? Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:01 Storm71 wrote:
You keep repeating that the game and the players hasn't changed, and ignore the fact that financial incentives impact performance. I sense a disturbance in the debate force
It's almost like he does know what he is saying. Or might be...a troll.
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I really don't understand all the drama here ... People arguing here should just go out for a while, this is no big deal seriously ..
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So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who are bribed and "try their best".
Got it.
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i haven't been following, why's he doing this?
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On October 30 2013 03:09 m0nt wrote:
i haven't been following, why's he doing this?
to be frank, we don't even know if he is actually doing anything
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On October 30 2013 03:09 m0nt wrote:
i haven't been following, why's he doing this?
Its a conspiracy apparently. This is the first step of Nani's plan to assassinate Revival before blizzcon.
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Revival seems to be pretty ok with the joke..so why produce additional drama...I like the move ^^
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I didn't realize Select was in his group and I'm rooting for SeleCT anyway so woohoo bounty #1 I support you Naniwa.
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On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it.
Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league.
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On October 30 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it. Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league.
Actually you qualify through the number of points you've earned throughout the year, not on any one particular event.
And once again, you've completely ignored what I posted.
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On October 30 2013 03:13 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it. Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league. Actually you qualify through the number of points you've earned throughout the year, not on any one particular event. And once again, you've completely ignored what I posted.
Yes and naniwai got a lot of his pints through IEM, which is what I said. He doesn't need to, and can't play in challenger league for this season.
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On October 30 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:13 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it. Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league. Actually you qualify through the number of points you've earned throughout the year, not on any one particular event. And once again, you've completely ignored what I posted. Yes and naniwai got a lot of his pints through IEM, which is what I said. He doesn't need to, and can't play in challenger league for this season.
No, you mistakenly said that Naniwa qualified THROUGH IEM, not just the fact that he got some points at IEM.
And Naniwa DID play in challenger league season 3, without a bounty being placed on him I might add.
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On October 30 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:13 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it. Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league. Actually you qualify through the number of points you've earned throughout the year, not on any one particular event. And once again, you've completely ignored what I posted. Yes and naniwai got a lot of his pints through IEM, which is what I said. He doesn't need to, and can't play in challenger league for this season.
I guess facing off against the likes of Life and Hyun and getting 2nd place in IEM is equivalent to a round robin vs Select and Jon?
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On October 30 2013 03:18 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:13 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it. Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league. Actually you qualify through the number of points you've earned throughout the year, not on any one particular event. And once again, you've completely ignored what I posted. Yes and naniwai got a lot of his pints through IEM, which is what I said. He doesn't need to, and can't play in challenger league for this season. No, you mistakenly said that Naniwa qualified THROUGH IEM, not just the fact that he got some points at IEM. And Naniwa DID play in challenger league season 3, without a bounty being placed on him I might add.
Naniwa had already given up on the chance of going to Blizzcon at that point and had no extra incentives. Not even he himself expected to do so well at IEM to be able to gain enough points. (source: Naniwa interview at IEM)
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On October 30 2013 03:20 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:13 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it. Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league. Actually you qualify through the number of points you've earned throughout the year, not on any one particular event. And once again, you've completely ignored what I posted. Yes and naniwai got a lot of his pints through IEM, which is what I said. He doesn't need to, and can't play in challenger league for this season. I guess facing off against the likes of Life and Hyun and getting 2nd place in IEM is equivalent to a round robin vs Select and Jon?
Ummm... no, which is why the points awarded are 450 vs 25.
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On October 30 2013 03:20 S1eth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:18 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:13 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it. Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league. Actually you qualify through the number of points you've earned throughout the year, not on any one particular event. And once again, you've completely ignored what I posted. Yes and naniwai got a lot of his pints through IEM, which is what I said. He doesn't need to, and can't play in challenger league for this season. No, you mistakenly said that Naniwa qualified THROUGH IEM, not just the fact that he got some points at IEM. And Naniwa DID play in challenger league season 3, without a bounty being placed on him I might add. Naniwa had already given up on the chance of going to Blizzcon at that point and had no extra incentives. Not even he himself expected to do so well at IEM to be able to gain enough points. (source: Naniwa interview at IEM)
Do you always believe what people say in interviews no matter what?
If he didn't bother going to IEM New York, I would have no doubt at all.
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On October 30 2013 03:23 Storm71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:20 S1eth wrote:On October 30 2013 03:18 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:13 Storm71 wrote:On October 30 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 03:08 Storm71 wrote:
So basically it's fair for Naniwa to roflstomp through his challenger league against players who had no incentive to win, but Revival should play against players who try their best.
Got it. Naniwa qualified through IEM, not challenger. He doesn't need to play this weekend. The only way he needs to play is if Revival ties him in WCS points through challenger league. Actually you qualify through the number of points you've earned throughout the year, not on any one particular event. And once again, you've completely ignored what I posted. Yes and naniwai got a lot of his pints through IEM, which is what I said. He doesn't need to, and can't play in challenger league for this season. No, you mistakenly said that Naniwa qualified THROUGH IEM, not just the fact that he got some points at IEM. And Naniwa DID play in challenger league season 3, without a bounty being placed on him I might add. Naniwa had already given up on the chance of going to Blizzcon at that point and had no extra incentives. Not even he himself expected to do so well at IEM to be able to gain enough points. (source: Naniwa interview at IEM) Do you always believe what people say in interviews no matter what? If he didn't bother going to IEM New York, I would have no doubt at all.
I think you have some serious trust issues...
Why wouldn't you go to a tournament and win money? Even if he had 0 WCS points, he would've still wanted to win some money at IEM.
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Don't even bother s1eth. This guy has no point, he doesn't even know what he's arguing, he's just looking at the last post and trying to find a way to criticize it. There have been two different occurrences where he has criticized what he himself was saying, without even realizing it.
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