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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On October 30 2013 04:15 SamuelGreen wrote: I don't think its any idea for us who like this incentive, to argue against the people who hate Naniwa (and thus are against it), so just stop arguing about it. You just assume everyone who doesn't like player given bounties only has that view because they hate Naniwa? o_O | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
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Storm71
Canada55 Posts
On October 30 2013 04:09 Thieving Magpie wrote: Storm71 convinced me that unless Naniwa offers 5k its not a fair fight for other players in group. lol you're right. whoever comes first in Revival's challenger group should make it to Blizzcon ROFL | ||
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MrSusan
United Kingdom20 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 30 2013 04:26 mikumegurine wrote: after Revival makes it to Blizzcon to play Naniwa at the tiebreaker, he should wear a shirt with his own bounty poster on it That would be awesome. It would get everyone talking.  GET ON IT! | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On October 30 2013 04:32 MrSusan wrote: I really hope this is in satire because he is obviously joking. If you remember not too long ago he posted pics of a WCS challenger player betting against himself, calling him out. That is a completely different situation. I can't believe how ignorant some people are. Betting against yourself = bad (matchfixing) Taking money to lose = bad (matchfixing) Offering someone else money to lose = bad (matchfixing) Offering someone else money to win = good (gambling / motivation trigger) Betting for yourself = good (gambling / motivation trigger) It isn't that hard people..... edit for some clearer perspectives. | ||
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SamuelGreen
Sweden292 Posts
On October 30 2013 04:25 Darkhoarse wrote: You just assume everyone who doesn't like player given bounties only has that view because they hate Naniwa? o_O yeah, from reading this thread anyway lol. Have you seen the ridiculous reasons and hypothetical scenarios they paint? It's kind of obivous from most of them. | ||
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Ljas
Finland725 Posts
On October 30 2013 03:35 Storm71 wrote: Maybe, we can't know for sure. But it's erroneous to assume that financial incentives make no difference at all. On October 30 2013 03:32 Storm71 wrote: Which again assumes that financial incentives have no impact on performance. So we should automatically assume said incentives do have an effect? Besides, does it even matter? These are professional competitors we're talking about. Trying their best is what they should be doing already. The problem is with WCS if they aren't. | ||
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Kamma
Denmark111 Posts
On October 29 2013 03:23 Assirra wrote: Can't win on your own? Hire in help. Pretty sad tbh. Obviously a joke.. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 30 2013 04:25 Darkhoarse wrote: You just assume everyone who doesn't like player given bounties only has that view because they hate Naniwa? o_O Judging from the fact that the comment has no real impact whatsoever, to construe any negativity is pretty indicative of bias. I can't help but be indifferent both to Naniwa, and this tweet. Because it's just a stupid head line. People go ape shit over the dumbest of causes. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:30 rd wrote: Judging from the fact that the comment has no real impact whatsoever, to construe any negativity is pretty indicative of bias. I can't help but be indifferent both to Naniwa, and this tweet. Because it's just a stupid head line. People go ape shit over the dumbest of causes. I disagree with you there. Because people can legitimately dislike having players paying bounties for other players, when that should be the tournament's job. I think people would be upset if the situation was reversed and Revival said this just as much. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:34 Darkhoarse wrote: I disagree with you there. Because people can legitimately dislike having players paying bounties for other players, when that should be the tournament's job. I think people would be upset if the situation was reversed and Revival said this just as much. This is not players paying bounties for other players. This is a single player paying a single bounty against one single other player. This is Naniwa putting out a tweet to bring attention to a problem in WCS, while also grabbing a spotlight for himself. Generalizing this as some kind of over-arching issue of players paying bounties just confuses what's actually happening, and TBH, if you have to formulate an opinion and take a side on some metaphorical fence, and make this an "issue," you are either ridiculously short sighted, or are just biased. Neither description is positive. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:40 rd wrote: This is not players paying bounties for other players. This is a single player paying a single bounty against one single other player. This is Naniwa putting out a tweet to bring attention to a problem in WCS, while also grabbing a spotlight for himself. Generalizing this as some kind of over-arching issue of players paying bounties just confuses what's actually happening, and TBH, if you have to formulate an opinion and take a side on some metaphorical fence, and make this an "issue," you are either ridiculously short sighted, or are just biased. Neither description is positive. Well I can see that you just got out of your Philosophy 101 class and want to drop the pain on some nerd online so I'll get out of your way. Enjoy yourself. | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
500 dollar is significant enough to matter, not significant enough to be a big deal. | ||
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Storm71
Canada55 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:40 rd wrote: This is not players paying bounties for other players. This is a single player paying a single bounty against one single other player. This is Naniwa putting out a tweet to bring attention to a problem in WCS, while also grabbing a spotlight for himself. Generalizing this as some kind of over-arching issue of players paying bounties just confuses what's actually happening, and TBH, if you have to formulate an opinion and take a side on some metaphorical fence, and make this an "issue," you are either ridiculously short sighted, or are just biased. Neither description is positive. I completely agree. Naniwa's tweet was completely meaningless, and nobody should have any opinion regarding it at all. Those who do are obviously short sighted and/or biased. Thank you for educating the ignorant masses, I sincerely appreciate it. | ||
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Storm71
Canada55 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:50 Sissors wrote: If as some people say it is unfair because now Revivals opponents are more motivated, then I would say it proofs Naniwa's point and shows it was (sadly) required, since otherwise his opponents aren't properly motivated to beat him, and it would be unfair to Naniwa. 500 dollar is significant enough to matter, not significant enough to be a big deal. How is it unfair to Naniwa? Were his opponents motivated to beat him in challenger season 3? LOL | ||
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doffe
Sweden636 Posts
On October 30 2013 04:54 SamuelGreen wrote: yeah, from reading this thread anyway lol. Have you seen the ridiculous reasons and hypothetical scenarios they paint? It's kind of obivous from most of them. I'm a huge Naniwa fan and I can at the very least admit that this is a huge grey area. As I've said earlier in this thread if we asume that the practice time for a player is limited and we also asume that they normally practice for every possible opponents in what have become the standard style group. Then we can pretty easily conclude that giving an extra monetary incentive definitely can effect how that player prepares thus giving the individual a potential way to with money give himself a better chance. I'm not saying people would try harder IN the game, I think they might focus their limited time preparing differently with this extra incentive. The question then is, do we want the individual to be able to have this effect? Is it fair given that not everyone can afford to do so?. Is the extra hype worth this grey area? I want Nani to go to blizzcon badly, I have followed WCS closely the last months with this as the prime thing on my mind. But I am definitely not sure that this is acceptable.. I was at first but then I read someones way of arguing in this thread and came to this conclusion. If you agree that it''s a problem or not is one thing but I can't see how you can disagree on that it can actually effect performance cause yes, obviously it can given that the players don't have unlimited time to practice. In a 1v1 scenario (non group play) I think the effect would be severaly diminished though. | ||
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quebecman77
Canada133 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
holy flying jesus cheesecake | ||
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because if he wins he gets a shot at the Blizzcon prize pool. But barring some serious KR/NA lag going on, I don't see Revival losing this group anyway.
