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Stop the League of Legends bashing. Temp bans will be handed out from now on. - Page 32.
Crytash
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany251 Posts
October 12 2013 21:13 GMT
#1001
Admiral Bulldog ?
Words are small, but game is BIG
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
October 12 2013 21:15 GMT
#1002
On October 13 2013 01:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:20 aintz wrote:
play a easier game for more money. why not.

Yeah, I mean every single SC2 player that has gone over to LoL has ripped it up. Same with people who played SC2, they are all top diamond in LoL....wait....no, not at all.


Competitive LoL is way harder to succeed in than SC2. Team aspect > individual skill. MKP could be x10 the mid laner that Faker is and still never even qualify for a LCS match.

You can't just show up in LoL and do well, the teams in place have countless hours of games together building synergy.
Yoshi~
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand35 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 21:25:09
October 12 2013 21:17 GMT
#1003
I'm not 100% sure about AdmiralBulldog, but considering how good he is I'd be extremely impressed if he has zero experience in DotA 1

Edit: AdmiralBulldog played DotA 1 for 6 years

To clarify, I'm not saying you need competitive experience in HoN and DotA 1. I'm just saying you need to have played the game a LOT because there's a lot of obscure mechanics and intricacies that new players will never know about, not to mention the feeling of the heroes in general (e.g. Mushi playing SF like a bloody monster because he knows the feeling of playing that hero inside out from years and years of playing him).
Tokikong
Profile Joined March 2013
35 Posts
October 12 2013 21:22 GMT
#1004
On October 13 2013 06:15 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 01:16 Plansix wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:20 aintz wrote:
play a easier game for more money. why not.

Yeah, I mean every single SC2 player that has gone over to LoL has ripped it up. Same with people who played SC2, they are all top diamond in LoL....wait....no, not at all.


Competitive LoL is way harder to succeed in than SC2. Team aspect > individual skill. MKP could be x10 the mid laner that Faker is and still never even qualify for a LCS match.

You can't just show up in LoL and do well, the teams in place have countless hours of games together building synergy.


What a false statement of yours. Becoming pro in SC2 is way way harder than becoming pro in League of Legends.

Wasn't it like that SKTT1 played their 1st pro match ever this year in April? Thus making your statement of having countless hours of games together building synergy is just false.
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
October 12 2013 21:56 GMT
#1005
LoL is so much harder than sc2, it really is. I was grandmaster on NA and SEA in december 2011, after switching to LoL in early 2012 I'm only diamond 3. People who think LoL is easier than sc2 are being completely delusional and ignorant. A person like IdrA wouldn't even make it to platinum with his attitude, LoL requires so much more than just macro and micro mechanics, there are so many other elements that need to be considered.
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 22:11:33
October 12 2013 22:09 GMT
#1006
On October 13 2013 06:56 SuperFanBoy wrote:
LoL is so much harder than sc2, it really is. I was grandmaster on NA and SEA in december 2011, after switching to LoL in early 2012 I'm only diamond 3. People who think LoL is easier than sc2 are being completely delusional and ignorant. A person like IdrA wouldn't even make it to platinum with his attitude, LoL requires so much more than just macro and micro mechanics, there are so many other elements that need to be considered.

thats like comparing Judo and Wrestling. Similar disciples sure but noone expects olympic judokas to be willing wrestling titles.

And b, LoL does not entirely depend on you. There are 4 other people. I know lol-crowd likes to suck it up and deny that this matters, but of course it does. A team of 5 idras, for example, will post a completely different results than idra +4 randoms.

Also the gap between NA GM and pro level is probably bigger than you think. Diamond 3 sounds about right, if not on the high side.
Yoshi~
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand35 Posts
October 12 2013 22:12 GMT
#1007
On October 13 2013 06:56 SuperFanBoy wrote:
LoL is so much harder than sc2, it really is. I was grandmaster on NA and SEA in december 2011, after switching to LoL in early 2012 I'm only diamond 3. People who think LoL is easier than sc2 are being completely delusional and ignorant. A person like IdrA wouldn't even make it to platinum with his attitude, LoL requires so much more than just macro and micro mechanics, there are so many other elements that need to be considered.


There's so much wrong with this it's not even funny
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
October 12 2013 22:19 GMT
#1008
On October 13 2013 07:12 Yoshi~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 06:56 SuperFanBoy wrote:
LoL is so much harder than sc2, it really is. I was grandmaster on NA and SEA in december 2011, after switching to LoL in early 2012 I'm only diamond 3. People who think LoL is easier than sc2 are being completely delusional and ignorant. A person like IdrA wouldn't even make it to platinum with his attitude, LoL requires so much more than just macro and micro mechanics, there are so many other elements that need to be considered.


There's so much wrong with this it's not even funny


Maybe you should make another account and tell us about it!
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 12 2013 22:24 GMT
#1009
Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is.

....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice.
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1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
October 12 2013 22:25 GMT
#1010
On October 13 2013 07:24 Plansix wrote:
Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is.

....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice.

any game is only as hard as your opponent is
Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
October 12 2013 22:29 GMT
#1011
One of the most memorable players for me Oh well at least I got this:
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 12 2013 22:32 GMT
#1012
On October 13 2013 07:25 1Dhalism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 07:24 Plansix wrote:
Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is.

....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice.

any game is only as hard as your opponent is

golf is like a single player game where you try to not suck as much as the other people playing the single player game ;p haha
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Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
October 12 2013 22:34 GMT
#1013
On October 13 2013 07:24 Plansix wrote:
Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is.

....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice.


Totally agreed. In comparing any two games that haven't been optimized (checkers, for instance has been "solved" and thus is demonstrably easier than chess) you can't make a claim that one is easier than another. This is particularly true in games and sports that are played in real time and have a near-infinite number of different possible gameplay paths.

What you can do, however, is make judgements about how competitive they are and the relative level of expertise required to excel (these are often correlated). I can say that due to their respective barriers to entry golf is less competitive than soccer. That doesn't mean that playing golf perfectly is less difficult than playing soccer perfectly. It merely means that due to the high numbers of participants and subsequent increases in competition you must be closer to perfection at soccer to reach a professional level than you must be at golf to do the same.

Unfortunately, this argument actually works against Starcraft in a comparison against LOL. We will never really know whether the best SC2 player is closer to perfection at SC2 than the best LOL player is at LOL, but one thing is clear: many people play LOL, and the best in the world are not in their position due to luck or accident. The game may have a lower barrier to entry than SC2 in terms of mechanics, but it clearly has enough depth to it that perfection is just as difficult to achieve.
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
Mvrio
Profile Joined July 2011
689 Posts
October 12 2013 22:43 GMT
#1014
wtf man? I'm gonna cry now
On October 03 2011 Jinsho wrote: Everyone is just a speck of fly dirt on the wall compared to Greg playing at his best :D
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 12 2013 22:49 GMT
#1015
On October 13 2013 07:34 Cyrak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 07:24 Plansix wrote:
Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is.

....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice.


Totally agreed. In comparing any two games that haven't been optimized (checkers, for instance has been "solved" and thus is demonstrably easier than chess) you can't make a claim that one is easier than another. This is particularly true in games and sports that are played in real time and have a near-infinite number of different possible gameplay paths.

What you can do, however, is make judgements about how competitive they are and the relative level of expertise required to excel (these are often correlated). I can say that due to their respective barriers to entry golf is less competitive than soccer. That doesn't mean that playing golf perfectly is less difficult than playing soccer perfectly. It merely means that due to the high numbers of participants and subsequent increases in competition you must be closer to perfection at soccer to reach a professional level than you must be at golf to do the same.

Unfortunately, this argument actually works against Starcraft in a comparison against LOL. We will never really know whether the best SC2 player is closer to perfection at SC2 than the best LOL player is at LOL, but one thing is clear: many people play LOL, and the best in the world are not in their position due to luck or accident. The game may have a lower barrier to entry than SC2 in terms of mechanics, but it clearly has enough depth to it that perfection is just as difficult to achieve.


Many people compare the difference between 2 computergames just like they do with real sports.That comparison is flawed though, cause the only thing you do in any computergame is move your mouse and press some keys. Its pretty easy to compare 2 computergames in that aspect (how precise do you have to be? how fast do you need to press your keys, how many different keys, etc).
The mechanical part is just always the same, unlike in real sports.
What matters too though is the strategical part of the game and your awareness of specific things (map in both rts and arts, etc). Is lol harder in the strategy aspect? i am not sure. mechanical should be obvious.
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LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
October 12 2013 22:59 GMT
#1016
Any game/sport can get competetive. The difference is the learning curve.
Froob
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom342 Posts
October 12 2013 23:05 GMT
#1017
good for him
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TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
October 12 2013 23:08 GMT
#1018
MarineKing adc and Faker mid :D
Science>Mechanics
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 12 2013 23:08 GMT
#1019
Too much to expect to think this wouldn't turn into just mindless SC2 vs. LoL...
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 23:22:49
October 12 2013 23:19 GMT
#1020
On October 13 2013 07:24 Plansix wrote:
Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is.

....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice.


actually golf is the 51st hardest sport while basketball is 4th at least according to the objective data http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

my bad
realistically though its kind of difficult to compare the two. you can't really compare SC2 and LOL just by while it seems to me that x is harder
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