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Crytash
Germany251 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On October 13 2013 01:16 Plansix wrote: Yeah, I mean every single SC2 player that has gone over to LoL has ripped it up. Same with people who played SC2, they are all top diamond in LoL....wait....no, not at all. Competitive LoL is way harder to succeed in than SC2. Team aspect > individual skill. MKP could be x10 the mid laner that Faker is and still never even qualify for a LCS match. You can't just show up in LoL and do well, the teams in place have countless hours of games together building synergy. | ||
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Yoshi~
New Zealand35 Posts
Edit: AdmiralBulldog played DotA 1 for 6 years To clarify, I'm not saying you need competitive experience in HoN and DotA 1. I'm just saying you need to have played the game a LOT because there's a lot of obscure mechanics and intricacies that new players will never know about, not to mention the feeling of the heroes in general (e.g. Mushi playing SF like a bloody monster because he knows the feeling of playing that hero inside out from years and years of playing him). | ||
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Tokikong
35 Posts
On October 13 2013 06:15 Talack wrote: Competitive LoL is way harder to succeed in than SC2. Team aspect > individual skill. MKP could be x10 the mid laner that Faker is and still never even qualify for a LCS match. You can't just show up in LoL and do well, the teams in place have countless hours of games together building synergy. What a false statement of yours. Becoming pro in SC2 is way way harder than becoming pro in League of Legends. Wasn't it like that SKTT1 played their 1st pro match ever this year in April? Thus making your statement of having countless hours of games together building synergy is just false. | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On October 13 2013 06:56 SuperFanBoy wrote: LoL is so much harder than sc2, it really is. I was grandmaster on NA and SEA in december 2011, after switching to LoL in early 2012 I'm only diamond 3. People who think LoL is easier than sc2 are being completely delusional and ignorant. A person like IdrA wouldn't even make it to platinum with his attitude, LoL requires so much more than just macro and micro mechanics, there are so many other elements that need to be considered. thats like comparing Judo and Wrestling. Similar disciples sure but noone expects olympic judokas to be willing wrestling titles. And b, LoL does not entirely depend on you. There are 4 other people. I know lol-crowd likes to suck it up and deny that this matters, but of course it does. A team of 5 idras, for example, will post a completely different results than idra +4 randoms. Also the gap between NA GM and pro level is probably bigger than you think. Diamond 3 sounds about right, if not on the high side. | ||
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Yoshi~
New Zealand35 Posts
On October 13 2013 06:56 SuperFanBoy wrote: LoL is so much harder than sc2, it really is. I was grandmaster on NA and SEA in december 2011, after switching to LoL in early 2012 I'm only diamond 3. People who think LoL is easier than sc2 are being completely delusional and ignorant. A person like IdrA wouldn't even make it to platinum with his attitude, LoL requires so much more than just macro and micro mechanics, there are so many other elements that need to be considered. There's so much wrong with this it's not even funny | ||
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
On October 13 2013 07:12 Yoshi~ wrote: There's so much wrong with this it's not even funny Maybe you should make another account and tell us about it! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice. | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On October 13 2013 07:24 Plansix wrote: Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is. ....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice. any game is only as hard as your opponent is  | ||
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 13 2013 07:25 1Dhalism wrote: any game is only as hard as your opponent is golf is like a single player game where you try to not suck as much as the other people playing the single player game ;p haha | ||
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
On October 13 2013 07:24 Plansix wrote: Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is. ....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice. Totally agreed. In comparing any two games that haven't been optimized (checkers, for instance has been "solved" and thus is demonstrably easier than chess) you can't make a claim that one is easier than another. This is particularly true in games and sports that are played in real time and have a near-infinite number of different possible gameplay paths. What you can do, however, is make judgements about how competitive they are and the relative level of expertise required to excel (these are often correlated). I can say that due to their respective barriers to entry golf is less competitive than soccer. That doesn't mean that playing golf perfectly is less difficult than playing soccer perfectly. It merely means that due to the high numbers of participants and subsequent increases in competition you must be closer to perfection at soccer to reach a professional level than you must be at golf to do the same. Unfortunately, this argument actually works against Starcraft in a comparison against LOL. We will never really know whether the best SC2 player is closer to perfection at SC2 than the best LOL player is at LOL, but one thing is clear: many people play LOL, and the best in the world are not in their position due to luck or accident. The game may have a lower barrier to entry than SC2 in terms of mechanics, but it clearly has enough depth to it that perfection is just as difficult to achieve. | ||
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Mvrio
689 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 13 2013 07:34 Cyrak wrote: Totally agreed. In comparing any two games that haven't been optimized (checkers, for instance has been "solved" and thus is demonstrably easier than chess) you can't make a claim that one is easier than another. This is particularly true in games and sports that are played in real time and have a near-infinite number of different possible gameplay paths. What you can do, however, is make judgements about how competitive they are and the relative level of expertise required to excel (these are often correlated). I can say that due to their respective barriers to entry golf is less competitive than soccer. That doesn't mean that playing golf perfectly is less difficult than playing soccer perfectly. It merely means that due to the high numbers of participants and subsequent increases in competition you must be closer to perfection at soccer to reach a professional level than you must be at golf to do the same. Unfortunately, this argument actually works against Starcraft in a comparison against LOL. We will never really know whether the best SC2 player is closer to perfection at SC2 than the best LOL player is at LOL, but one thing is clear: many people play LOL, and the best in the world are not in their position due to luck or accident. The game may have a lower barrier to entry than SC2 in terms of mechanics, but it clearly has enough depth to it that perfection is just as difficult to achieve. Many people compare the difference between 2 computergames just like they do with real sports.That comparison is flawed though, cause the only thing you do in any computergame is move your mouse and press some keys. Its pretty easy to compare 2 computergames in that aspect (how precise do you have to be? how fast do you need to press your keys, how many different keys, etc). The mechanical part is just always the same, unlike in real sports. What matters too though is the strategical part of the game and your awareness of specific things (map in both rts and arts, etc). Is lol harder in the strategy aspect? i am not sure. mechanical should be obvious. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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Froob
United Kingdom342 Posts
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On October 13 2013 07:24 Plansix wrote: Guys, golf is harder than basket ball. Its fact. The basket in basket ball is bigger than the hole in golf. Have you seen the control it takes to hit a golf ball that far and into that tiny hold. And Basketball players get to use their HANDs. Basket ball is just made for casual players who can't get into golf and how perfect it is. ....This is how every LoL/Dota vs SC2 argument sounds to me. It is like claiming hockey is harder than baseball because hockey is played on ice. actually golf is the 51st hardest sport while basketball is 4th at least according to the objective data http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills my bad realistically though its kind of difficult to compare the two. you can't really compare SC2 and LOL just by while it seems to me that x is harder | ||
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