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glaresc
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
On September 25 2013 15:56 glaresc wrote: next patch , dts can fly and shoot lasers from their eyes good idea no? Nah, then they're just banshees. | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On September 24 2013 21:23 herMan wrote: Wow, I'm liking all of these changes barring the dt one (seriously, WHAT?) It seems blizzard has been listening to the community for once. I actually love the DT buff, I actually was a Protoss fan back in 1998, became Terran main in WoL because Protoss lore was all over the place (Mothership replaced Arbiters? WTF?) DTs fill their role a lot better, it never made sense even during BW why a "space ninja" moved as slow as a fully armored zealot. The DT certainly feels more assassin like w/ speed as fast as reapers! | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
On September 25 2013 16:07 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: I actually love the DT buff, I actually was a Protoss fan back in 1998, became Terran main in WoL because Protoss lore was all over the place (Mothership replaced Arbiters? WTF?) DTs fill their role a lot better, it never made sense even during BW why a "space ninja" moved as slow as a fully armored zealot. The DT certainly feels more assassin like w/ speed as fast as reapers! If lore should be used as an arguement for balance, nukes should destroy the entire map  | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Made from starport, build at base, no perma cloaked, slow acceleration, slower movement speed than the normal dark templar But keep on making comparisons that fit in gold league | ||
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Zanzabarr
Canada217 Posts
On September 25 2013 16:15 NarutO wrote: Made from starport, build at base, no perma cloaked, slow acceleration, slower movement speed than the normal dark templar But keep on making comparisons that fit in gold league He was exaggerating obviously, but DT's are way way way more of a tech investment than banshees from a starport and techlab that you are going to have every single game no matter what. Such is the great bonus of a linear tech tree. | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On September 25 2013 16:47 Zanzabarr wrote: He was exaggerating obviously, but DT's are way way way more of a tech investment than banshees from a starport and techlab that you are going to have every single game no matter what. Such is the great bonus of a linear tech tree. How so? You need a starport on a tech lab, which means effectively as long as you want to have the option to make banshees you lose the production capacity of two vikings/medivacs. And you will need the cloak upgrade. Twilight council isn't exactly useless for protoss, so effectively your DT tech path consists of a 150/150 building. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
On September 25 2013 16:13 Shikyo wrote: Not all nukes destroy continents you know, there's way smaller and weaker ones(the ones T would be using) I wouldn't compare an sc2 map to a continent you know.. And there is no nuke in the world that takes out 40 units, with an infiltrator calling it down standing "100 meters" away. But then again, no one knows how big the map is really supposed to be, the battlecruiser is supposedly huge. | ||
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Schism
Australia85 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:02 JacobShock wrote: I wouldn't compare an sc2 map to a continent you know.. And there is no nuke in the world that takes out 40 units, with an infiltrator calling it down standing "100 meters" away. But then again, no one knows how big the map is really supposed to be, the battlecruiser is supposedly huge. Actually, they are called tactical nukes. Tactical nukes can be made (and i believe have been) to take out something as small as an office building. Not that any of this matters, just sayin'. And yeah probably the one thing i dislike the most about the SC2 engine is it's failure to convey scale, but that's a trade off for the gameplay i guess. I like the idea of very fast DT's. They might even see some deathball action given that they will be able to close the distance to the enemy much faster and make use of their absurd damage. It would probably require some careful movement though, coming in behind the zealots and archons. We all know how fast a decent force of DT's can chop stuff even when they are spotted. | ||
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Rye123
Singapore12 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:02 JacobShock wrote: I wouldn't compare an sc2 map to a continent you know.. And there is no nuke in the world that takes out 40 units, with an infiltrator calling it down standing "100 meters" away. But then again, no one knows how big the map is really supposed to be, the battlecruiser is supposedly huge. + Show Spoiler + I hope bio mine remains viable in TvZ. The game needs more strategies to be viable not simply artificially altering the meta every time Blizz feels like it. The mech changes are interesting but i worry about Mutas against the nerfed mine and, the Tank buff looks tiny. | ||
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dargul
Russian Federation125 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:19 Sapphire.lux wrote: I hope bio mine remains viable in TvZ. The game needs more strategies to be viable not simply artificially altering the meta every time Blizz feels like it. The mech changes are interesting but i worry about Mutas against the nerfed mine and, the Tank buff looks tiny. before patch mine can kill 10banes\lings now it can kill 3-4... Your 3mine most likely will kill 0-1mutas even without zerg control. So yey we all can go play mech it's so powerfull now... Poll: Do you think this patch nerfs terran or buffs them? Definetely it's a nerf for terrans >:) (108) Nah it's pretty balanced (10) No it's those buff each terran dreamed for :) (10) 128 total votes Your vote: Do you think this patch nerfs terran or buffs them? (Vote): Definetely it's a nerf for terrans >:) | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 24 2013 03:26 Erik.TheRed wrote: they should just give DTs blink already. :D i was more for a ranged attack, like throwing their weapons like a boomerang, killing several workers at once. I agree with most changes, but i don't understand the DT Buff, what was wrong with that unit, why do Blizz want to see more cheese? Maybe it makes pro games more fun because of more variety, could really be. Everything with Protoss involving seemed boring to watch lately (personal opinion, not a state of fact), and patches are never about the ladder I understand that. But What will happen is, that the 99% non Pro-gamers that play this game, will face more cheese (oracle, DT rush or warpin with warp prism...) which makes the game even more annoying to play, because we will see more one trick ponys, that sometimes have luck and kill us with 1/4th of the APMs | ||
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:28 dargul wrote: before patch mine can kill 10banes\lings now it can kill 3-4... Your 3mine most likely will kill 0-1mutas even without zerg control. So yey we all can go play mech it's so powerfull now... 3 mines will always kill 3 mutas if Z doesnt control since 1 mine oneshots 1 muta. also it wasnt 10 banes/lings and now 3-4. it was 19 (!!!!) lings banes and now its 11...so its still basically impossible for a WM to be not very cost efficient. which is fine. a unit being insanely cost efficient whatever the opponent does is really bad design...they just fixed that although i wouldve liked it more if they let WM stay the same and just finally buff stuff like hydras or ovidrop or nydus to help Z in TvZ. | ||
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dargul
Russian Federation125 Posts
And as for 19banes check read below: Old splash has same size as barrak - 1.75 New splash has size 1.1 reactor have size 1.0 so almost the same. Below is image to show you how many lings\banes it might kill now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k1JKg8W.png) | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:44 Decendos wrote: 3 mines will always kill 3 mutas if Z doesnt control since 1 mine oneshots 1 muta. also it wasnt 10 banes/lings and now 3-4. it was 19 (!!!!) lings banes and now its 11...so its still basically impossible for a WM to be not very cost efficient. which is fine. a unit being insanely cost efficient whatever the opponent does is really bad design...they just fixed that although i wouldve liked it more if they let WM stay the same and just finally buff stuff like hydras or ovidrop or nydus to help Z in TvZ. The damage area is reduced by more than a factor 2.5. So your numbers seem unlikely tbh. | ||
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:51 dargul wrote: Ok I siad it wrong. 3mines won't kill any muta with splash. And as for 19banes check read below: Old splash has same size as barrak - 1.75 New splash has size 1.1 reactor have size 1.0 so almost the same. Below is image to show you how many lings\banes it might kill now. so? its not 9? every unit that gets touched by the circle gets also killed = 1 more round of units around the lings/banes. haha okay i stand corrected, its not 19. if the the WM hits in the center its 23!!! rofl. just tested it. no need to discuss the current OPness of WMs. its about how much they should get nerfed OR Z get buffed (imo let WM stay strong and buff Z would be so much better). | ||
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ColtCommando
United States51 Posts
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gosublade
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