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6 possible balance changes - David Kim - Page 11

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MostGroce
Profile Joined April 2011
United States104 Posts
September 23 2013 19:24 GMT
#201
Better change something.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 23 2013 19:24 GMT
#202
On September 24 2013 04:16 Everlong wrote:
If you want to hear, how bad those changes are for Terran, just tune in Avilo's stream right now. Noone would do this better for you.. :D


They could make siege tanks fly and Avilo would find a problem with it.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
September 23 2013 19:25 GMT
#203
Would love to see some BW tanks that were able to kill things, sc2 tanks just feel so weak unless you have 20+ of them.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 19:27:54
September 23 2013 19:25 GMT
#204
Widow mine nerf i think is too drastic . It would probably change the metagame , but it could render the mine not worth it or completely useless , but we will see . DT buff is not needed , they are imba even now .
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
September 23 2013 19:25 GMT
#205
Heya little man you like macro ?
well we don't.

-Blizzard 2013.
RIP MKP
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
September 23 2013 19:25 GMT
#206
Oh fuck yeah, protoss changes seem really meh/wierd but w/e, tank buff!!! Finally been waiting for this for 2 years now. Still needs more to make mech viable, but at least having the option of bio/mine or bio/tank or bio + both will make zvt soooooooooooooooooooooo much better as a matchup, I really dislike playing it atm, watching not so much.
sotaporo
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland195 Posts
September 23 2013 19:26 GMT
#207
Dark Templar movement speed increased from 2.813 to 3.375

http://www.myinstants.com/instant/noooo/
nichan
Profile Joined December 2010
United States158 Posts
September 23 2013 19:27 GMT
#208
Any ways they can keep the DT buff just put the DT and HT on the TA and get rid of the DS better than a DT speed buff gives more diversity keeps opponents guessing too.

Oracles just get rid of the unit guive phoenix ground attack and the other oracles power revelation and the other one that tags the units don't know the name as of now.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8501 Posts
September 23 2013 19:28 GMT
#209
I feel those changes are definitely interesting to say the least. Though I am not sure about the DT speed, I think they are in the right place.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
September 23 2013 19:28 GMT
#210
The protoss changes are so pathetic.

Cheese units, or whatnot. Why focus on these two units?
Go heavier, look at the sentrie or colossous or something.

I love the wm change atleast, for tvz. The siegetank change i dont understand it, but i still wanna see some tanks in tvz now.
Diversity, sure why not.
I hope this siegetank is from heaven and just blocks roaches all together. The roach is such a boring unit(?). Numbers or gtfo
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
September 23 2013 19:28 GMT
#211
On September 24 2013 04:25 shid0x wrote:
Heya little man you like macro ?
well we don't.

-Blizzard 2013.


I think we got too much macro going on right now and we need some good pressure strats outside of Protoss 2 base all ins vs Zerg.

We also need to see protoss do something other than sitting in base and building a super army
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 23 2013 19:29 GMT
#212
On September 24 2013 04:25 shid0x wrote:
Heya little man you like macro ?
well we don't.

-Blizzard 2013.

We got that macro thing down. We need to get back to harassing and earning those expansions.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 23 2013 19:31 GMT
#213
On September 24 2013 04:13 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 04:09 SupLilSon wrote:
On September 24 2013 04:05 TurboMaN wrote:
Didn't Blizzard say that they talk regularly with Progamers?

Why don't they ever show an interview saying like we discussed patch change xy with those players and they think its good to do it. The explanation comes always from David Kim and it sounds like he is the one balancing everything alone.


Progamers like Morrow and I think Nerchio have vouched that Blizzard has not contacted any pros in the past. It was either a white lie or just a complete BS statement from Blizz.

Its pretty obvious they dont engage the pros or else SC2 wouldnt be where it is LOL

They probably haven't talked to those 2 because one of them is notoriously BM and the other hasn't been relevant in years.

Its possible that Blizzard has NDAs in place with these players they choose to have balance discussions with.


It's also possible that Blizzard doesn't talk to progamers at all, which is much more likely considering the shot-in-the-dark nature of their changes. If Blizzard actually talked to any pros the WoL Infestor Era would have been over in no time, even Zergs were saying it was ridiculous. And Morrow didn't just imply he hadn;t been contacted, I'm pretty sure he said he hadnt heard of any top EU pro being talked to. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I definitely remember him posting on TL about the subject.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 19:31:42
September 23 2013 19:31 GMT
#214
On September 24 2013 04:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 04:25 shid0x wrote:
Heya little man you like macro ?
well we don't.

-Blizzard 2013.

We got that macro thing down. We need to get back to harassing and earning those expansions.



Oh yeah and proxy oracle and DT and cocaine are gonna fix that ?
No,its just gonna be more cheese opportunities.

At least the zerg change asks you to use you brain for a bit.
RIP MKP
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 19:35:47
September 23 2013 19:32 GMT
#215
funny how ever protoss change has a thumb down, while everything else gets an up despite the other changes beeing way more critical...

i suggest, that DTs should get a speed upgrade when charge is researched similar to the passiv speed bonus Zealots get when it is researched.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 23 2013 19:33 GMT
#216
Holy Moly They're buffing tanks !
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
September 23 2013 19:34 GMT
#217
Is this like a significant Tank buff? Hard to tell.. It does not look so great since Tanks just die so quickly and do not enough damage it might not matter that much TvP. Not sure..
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
September 23 2013 19:34 GMT
#218
i hope that the tanks and wm changes can give TvZ more diversity.

the ideal situation would be that WM+Bio and Tank+Bio is map dependent and that one can transition into the other.
also, making roach/hydra more viable in this matchup would be cool too
TL+ Member
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
September 23 2013 19:34 GMT
#219
On September 24 2013 04:31 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 04:13 Bagi wrote:
On September 24 2013 04:09 SupLilSon wrote:
On September 24 2013 04:05 TurboMaN wrote:
Didn't Blizzard say that they talk regularly with Progamers?

Why don't they ever show an interview saying like we discussed patch change xy with those players and they think its good to do it. The explanation comes always from David Kim and it sounds like he is the one balancing everything alone.


Progamers like Morrow and I think Nerchio have vouched that Blizzard has not contacted any pros in the past. It was either a white lie or just a complete BS statement from Blizz.

Its pretty obvious they dont engage the pros or else SC2 wouldnt be where it is LOL

They probably haven't talked to those 2 because one of them is notoriously BM and the other hasn't been relevant in years.

Its possible that Blizzard has NDAs in place with these players they choose to have balance discussions with.


It's also possible that Blizzard doesn't talk to progamers at all, which is much more likely considering the shot-in-the-dark nature of their changes. If Blizzard actually talked to any pros the WoL Infestor Era would have been over in no time, even Zergs were saying it was ridiculous. And Morrow didn't just imply he hadn;t been contacted, I'm pretty sure he said he hadnt heard of any top EU pro being talked to. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I definitely remember him posting on TL about the subject.

Chances are David Kim only talks to Koreans. Why would he talk to foreigners?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 19:35:14
September 23 2013 19:35 GMT
#220
It's perfectly reasonable to nerf the widow mine splash radius, but the proposed change seems WAY too harsh.

Lowering the splash radius from 1.75 to 1.1 would result in the splash area decresing from ~9.62 to ~3.80, meaning the area would only be less than 40% of what it was before the nerf.
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