EPTLadder Deflation and MMR Decay - Page 21
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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lachy89
Australia264 Posts
On December 30 2013 06:47 TurboMaN wrote: Isn't there a season lock right now? If so, that would explain a lot. | ||
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grumpyone
48 Posts
On December 30 2013 06:35 linuxguru1 wrote: Not sure if already mentioned, but can't you just leave your league and play 5 new placement matches in case of serious MMR decay? Leaving your league doesn't reset your MMR and there's only 1 placement match. You'd have to not play for an entire season to reset it and play 5 placement matches. | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On December 30 2013 08:57 grumpyone wrote: Leaving your league doesn't reset your MMR and there's only 1 placement match. You'd have to not play for an entire season to reset it and play 5 placement matches. Nvm. | ||
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linuxguru1
110 Posts
On December 30 2013 08:57 grumpyone wrote: Leaving your league doesn't reset your MMR and there's only 1 placement match. You'd have to not play for an entire season to reset it and play 5 placement matches. What if you leave before the season ends and don't play the placement match before the new one begins? I'm assuming you get 5 placement matches if and only if you still had not placed at the end of the previous season. | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On December 31 2013 00:25 linuxguru1 wrote: What if you leave before the season ends and don't play the placement match before the new one begins? I'm assuming you get 5 placement matches if and only if you still had not placed at the end of the previous season. Maybe, but I doubt it. Resetting MMR easily is terrible for the ladder system because youhave to play ~20 games stomping lower leagues to get back up. Honestly, I don't get the point of 'leave league' - what is its purpose? | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On December 31 2013 00:25 linuxguru1 wrote: What if you leave before the season ends and don't play the placement match before the new one begins? I'm assuming you get 5 placement matches if and only if you still had not placed at the end of the previous season. Nope thats not how it works. When the new season starts you play 1 placement game and will be placed in a division. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3413 Posts
EDIT: I meant being demoted due to inactivity, I actually won my placement against a diamond player | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
On December 29 2013 10:02 Excalibur_Z wrote: They treat each "queue" separately, so playing any 1v1 will refresh the decay timer for both ranked and unranked 1v1. seems to me these are on two different ratings. I play on my ranked and play plats/dias one or two masters, play on the unranked and its bronze and silver?You not seeing this? | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
On December 31 2013 01:41 StatixEx wrote: seems to me these are on two different ratings. I play on my ranked and play plats/dias one or two masters, play on the unranked and its bronze and silver?You not seeing this? Yo'ure talking about something different. Yes, the ratings are separate, but the decay timers are linked according to the December Situation Report. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On December 31 2013 01:41 StatixEx wrote: seems to me these are on two different ratings. I play on my ranked and play plats/dias one or two masters, play on the unranked and its bronze and silver?You not seeing this? He's not talking about the mmr for ranked and unranked but the timer to decay the mmr. What he's saying is if you play any 1v1 queued match be it ranked or unranked, it will reset the timer preventing mmr decay from occurring. So playing unranked for a long period of time will not cause mmr decay on your ranked matchmaking. | ||
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big_aug
United States14 Posts
On December 30 2013 06:17 lachy89 wrote: The MMR decay is way too extreme and places you in a position that makes it take so long to get out of. I was in diamond and I have gone 15-0 in bronze and am still in Bronze. There is another in my league that is 26-0 and he can't get out either... You arent playing Bronze players any more though, right? | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
On December 31 2013 01:43 Excalibur_Z wrote: Yo'ure talking about something different. Yes, the ratings are separate, but the decay timers are linked according to the December Situation Report. oh . . hmm then im confused, it seems like cos i NEVER play unranked i thought that had reset as it clearly puts me in bz-gold while my ranked is #2 dia atm (but ill be number 1 if i win 3 more games . .that bastard above me plays as much as i do) places me against plats dias and masters all the time, even after my month of inactivity on that account . . . hmmm tbh i dont care about this anymore cos ive lost a few few number of games over the last week to gold iconned players! | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
On December 31 2013 02:39 StatixEx wrote: oh . . hmm then im confused, it seems like cos i NEVER play unranked i thought that had reset as it clearly puts me in bz-gold while my ranked is #2 dia atm (but ill be number 1 if i win 3 more games . .that bastard above me plays as much as i do) places me against plats dias and masters all the time, even after my month of inactivity on that account . . . hmmm tbh i dont care about this anymore cos ive lost a few few number of games over the last week to gold iconned players! You need to be inactive in the queue for an entire season (2-3 months) in order to get reset MMR. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On the other hand my random account, where I suck with toss and zerg, I am playing against masters. That account has about double the amount of games played though. Still it seemed like in the past, the difficulty of your opponents increased much faster if you kept winning. | ||
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
On December 30 2013 08:57 grumpyone wrote: Leaving your league doesn't reset your MMR and there's only 1 placement match. You'd have to not play for an entire season to reset it and play 5 placement matches. I didn't play for an entire season, mmr did not reset, only 1 placement match next season. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On January 01 2014 06:44 OminouS wrote: I didn't play for an entire season, mmr did not reset, only 1 placement match next season. Yes. Many seem to have experienced similar (no MMR reset even if skipped full season in every mode). Also some of these cases seem to have experienced 'chain decay' when they came back. | ||
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Spirit09
United Kingdom38 Posts
1. It further damages the ladder. We know that a portion of the community wants to see the ladder as a real measure of skill, but this further takes away from that. If Blizz's objective is to make people feel good/play more they should just put everyone in master as it makes as much sense as all the endless tweaks they do each of which only further separates the league and rank system from the true skill of players. 2. Deflation is not zero sum. I've no idea if the ladder was zero sum before but it just seems ... not clever ... to have a mechanism that allows a bunch of players to drop rating with no other effect. Everyone's rating is based on the rating of people they play, and they will play deflated players... so won't everyone deflate? If this is continuous as long as we have inactive players won't the "global" average MMR forever drop? Will we all end up in Bronze eventually? 3. Personally I've ended up in Silver... and for a number of reasons that's annoying. Firstly, I'm not silver in skill, far from it. Secondly, like it or not many people look at your league badge when deciding how to treat you. Thirdly, I worked hard to improve and was pleased, and motivated, by my entry to Diamond... only to have all this "progress" taken away for no good reason. I had a few months where I could only play one or two games, and without knowing it I've triggered 2 or 3 periods of maximum delfation. Yeah yeah "who cares about leagues?" but if this is part of Blizz's attempt to help motivate people it has had the opposite (massively opposite) effect on me. I really can't think of anything positive to say about deflation. At best Blizz are right when they say that they have fixed the issue of people losing lots after being inactive for a while. But as always we have only their word on this. Furthermore it seems they've caused many greater issues in the process. They've introduced an easy method for people to "game" the system for more wins, they've misjudged the impact it would have on players losing rank they deserved or being beaten by players who shouldn't be matched with them. They've failed to account for players deflating in one bracket while their skill hasn't dropped because of playing on other modes or accounts. They've apparently screwed up league distributions? etcetera and so on and so forth... Where is the up side to all this? Why don't they listen to the community and give us a real ladder where MMR is visible and league/rank is based only on MMR? They think this will upset players? But their attempts to avoid upsetting players by jumping through these increasingly complex hoops has done that anyway! | ||
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Spirit09
United Kingdom38 Posts
On January 01 2014 06:56 korona wrote: Yes. Many seem to have experienced similar (no MMR reset even if skipped full season in every mode). Also some of these cases seem to have experienced 'chain decay' when they came back. I'm one. I've had at least one season (several I think) where I've not played and then when I've come back in the following season its only been 1 placement match contrary to the stated MMR reset. Not sure what chain decay is, but before this issue was public I had a period where I could only play 2-3 games in a month, which lasted for about 3 months. Now we know about decay it seems this is the absolute worst thing I could have done as I must of triggered several periods of maximum deflation. From my match history I can identify 2 periods of 4 weeks of complete inactivity. This seems to have taken me from Diamond (and MMR going up, according to MMR tool) in one season to Silver in the next. | ||
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