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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
Enjoy it, because this is the one chance you have to truly start testing and experimenting on the ladder in a less cutthroat environment. And if you're really as good as you say (masters to silver, lol - it was an inactive period of 9 MONTHS -_-) then you should zoom back up in no time! I think the way everything is all fucked up and players of all different leagues are everywhich place is a valid complaint though. Comes with not being able to RESET your league -_-. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:40 Qwyn wrote: IMO this decay is great and I wish it would happen more. Muddles with everything, sure, and there are a lot of fucked up ranks, sure, but what is good is that you can experiment and formulate solid builds while moving back up again - sort of like Day9's podcast on playing weaker players ^^. Enjoy it, because this is the one chance you have to truly start testing and experimenting on the ladder in a less cutthroat environment. And if you're really as good as you say (masters to silver, lol - it was an inactive period of 9 MONTHS -_-) then you should zoom back up in no time! I think the way everything is all fucked up and players of all different leagues are everywhich place is a valid complaint though. Comes with not being able to RESET your league -_-. You're thinking exactly the opposite of what's happening. Everyone in lower leagues is now a much higher skill level then they used to be, so it's even more "cut-throat" then before | ||
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SomethingWitty
Canada94 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:40 Qwyn wrote: IMO this decay is great and I wish it would happen more. Muddles with everything, sure, and there are a lot of fucked up ranks, sure, but what is good is that you can experiment and formulate solid builds while moving back up again - sort of like Day9's podcast on playing weaker players ^^. Enjoy it, because this is the one chance you have to truly start testing and experimenting on the ladder in a less cutthroat environment. And if you're really as good as you say (masters to silver, lol - it was an inactive period of 9 MONTHS -_-) then you should zoom back up in no time! I think the way everything is all fucked up and players of all different leagues are everywhich place is a valid complaint though. Comes with not being able to RESET your league -_-. It's a good thing that something like an unranked mode doesn't invalidate your entire post. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:19 synapse wrote: i went from diamond -> bronze after about 4 or 5 months of inactivity, never got a reset. You should be running the standard MMR Plugin and post the results. Such as you describe it, nothing can be gleaned. I'm guessing you mean us to say that after 16 weeks of activity, it only gave you one placement match and simultaneously the previous match you played 16 weeks ago was known to be a diamond MMR? | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:42 ffadicted wrote: You're thinking exactly the opposite of what's happening. Everyone in lower leagues is now a much higher skill level then they used to be, so it's even more "cut-throat" then before You're both right, I think. Previously inactives players (with heavily decayed mmr) can enjoy the testing ground Qwyn is referring to. Active players (with undecayed MMR) are now in a very cutthroat environment where they are often matched against people well above their skill level, potentially pushing them down in the MMR rankings. edit: And this,  It's a good thing that something like an unranked mode doesn't invalidate your entire post. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Its just not even fair on the people I'm playing honestly. One PvP I went for a weird proxy oracle in parallel with a 4-gate + Void ray thing. My opponent had two sentries, one stalker and a couple of zealots as well as 2 gates built and two just finishing when I rolled in with about a dozen gateway units, a void ray and an oracle to tear up his mineral line. I felt really bad for the guy. :-\ | ||
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starcraftidiot
United States4 Posts
On one hand, I like the idea that I am getting better because I am constantly pushing myself to the limit against people that are quite frankly way better than me, but having 4 crippling losses in a row and knowing there was nothing I could have done about it is frustrating. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:40 Qwyn wrote: IMO this decay is great and I wish it would happen more. Muddles with everything, sure, and there are a lot of fucked up ranks, sure, but what is good is that you can experiment and formulate solid builds while moving back up again - sort of like Day9's podcast on playing weaker players ^^. Enjoy it, because this is the one chance you have to truly start testing and experimenting on the ladder in a less cutthroat environment. And if you're really as good as you say (masters to silver, lol - it was an inactive period of 9 MONTHS -_-) then you should zoom back up in no time! I think the way everything is all fucked up and players of all different leagues are everywhich place is a valid complaint though. Comes with not being able to RESET your league -_-. Zoom back in no time? You have to stomp/win like 100games just to get from silver to diamond. If you only play for fun it takes quite a while. Especially if you want to play with friends once in a while. | ||
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Kruxxen
United States149 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 05 2013 16:00 Soldier92 wrote: Ladder is for grinding games, if you aren't playing a few hundred games a season you shouldn't expect to be in the top leagues. If you're good enough, yes, you should. Starcraft is not an MMORPG :D | ||
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Kruxxen
United States149 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On December 05 2013 16:05 Soldier92 wrote: A few hundred games is more than enough to keep your MMR up, and is not a lot to ask over the long ladder seasons. Remember, who you're playing and beating is more important than your actual ladder rank and league. I was talking about how many games you'd have to win in order to get back/climb four leagues. The guys said "..you should zoom back up in no time!" and 100games (with pretty much no losses) is not "no time". | ||
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iPhoneAppz
United States37 Posts
On December 05 2013 15:21 Eatme wrote: Zoom back in no time? You have to stomp/win like 100games just to get from silver to diamond. If you only play for fun it takes quite a while. Especially if you want to play with friends once in a while. Yes, this is exactly right. Plus, think about the people (like me) that you're stomping. It's no fun for them and they are not learning or getting better while being stomped by players that should be 4 leagues higher. | ||
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iPhoneAppz
United States37 Posts
On December 05 2013 15:04 starcraftidiot wrote: Been trying to get from silver into gold for the past couple of weeks. Been doing well enough to find myself hanging around top 8 silver, but every time a promotion seems close, I get "low Gold" players that were frequently platinum or even diamond just 1-2 seasons ago. Very demoralizing, except for those that have been giving me tips on how to improve as fast as possible so I can reach gold by the season lock. On one hand, I like the idea that I am getting better because I am constantly pushing myself to the limit against people that are quite frankly way better than me, but having 4 crippling losses in a row and knowing there was nothing I could have done about it is frustrating. This is exactly my situation too. I love this game. I love to feel like I'm improving. I love getting matches where I win 50% and lose 50% because the wins make me feel good, like I'm improving and the losses point me to things that I can improve to get better. The problem is when I face a player that should be leagues above me and I lose embarrassingly and don't learn anything because I was totally outclassed. The reason why the SC matchmaking system has historically been so great is because you could always find a game against a relatively evenly matched opponent. When Blizzard put the MMR decay in, they broke that. Now, I don't know if I'm going to get an even match, or matched up against someone wildly better than I am with just a 'decayed' MMR. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:57 iPhoneAppz wrote: Yes, this is exactly right. Plus, think about the people (like me) that you're stomping. It's no fun for them and they are not learning or getting better while being stomped by players that should be 4 leagues higher. And I for one get tired of stomping others well before I am back on my correct MMR. | ||
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BurningRanger
Germany303 Posts
It's also depressing that, if you're stomped by someone that is way more skilled, you usually shouldn't drop too far down in MMR, because you're expected to lose. Yet you are dropped as far as if you'd lost aginst someone on your skill level. And on the other side, if you'd happen to win (for whatever strange coincidence), you should climb up a lot more, because you were expected to lose. Yet you just climb a bit like when you'd won against someone on your skill level. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Salient
United States876 Posts
On December 06 2013 19:45 BurningRanger wrote: Just to add another point... It's also depressing that, if you're stomped by someone that is way more skilled, you usually shouldn't drop too far down in MMR, because you're expected to lose. Yet you are dropped as far as if you'd lost aginst someone on your skill level. And on the other side, if you'd happen to win (for whatever strange coincidence), you should climb up a lot more, because you were expected to lose. Yet you just climb a bit like when you'd won against someone on your skill level. Yes. It's essentially the same thing as mass smurfing. | ||
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HelloSon
United States456 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:42 ffadicted wrote: You're thinking exactly the opposite of what's happening. Everyone in lower leagues is now a much higher skill level then they used to be, so it's even more "cut-throat" then before Remember how everyone complained how shitty the SC2 ladder distribution was compared to iccup? | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
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