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On October 07 2013 22:10 VieuxSinge wrote:
I have 57 contacts in my friend list and an average of 10 always online despite the fact that right now everyone (me included) is playing hearthstone right now.
But i guess since YOUR friends aren't playing anymore, the game is dying. *beats head on wall*
I tell you what, I'll meet you back here october 7th 2014 when .01% of korea actually plays the game, the wcs finals has 5k viewing it, and flash/fantasy and so many others go back to brood war because there's ACTUALLY more money there and we'll see whose head feels better okay?
I guess your friends don't watch day9 either with his incredible 1.5k viewers the other day. Down from 18k the first time I saw him back in early 2011. I guess 16.5k must be playing hearthstone as well?
Look at millenium forgg right now with his mind blowing 177 viewers, christ Sterling used to get up to a thousand viewers and he's just some random NA nobody. Better yet, look at bisu streaming brood war right now pulling in 3x the amount of viewers and I believe he just started the stream up. From what I understand, it's only counting twitch viewers in that number so the actual number on afreeca is quite higher.
Did you know that since bisu has been streaming brood war as of like 2 weeks ago or something:
According to this page: http://www.starlog.co.kr/xe/?_filter=search&act=&mid=starlog&category=&search_target=title&search_keyword=rlaxordyd
Bisu has earned over $7300 dollars (105k balloons~) in the 23 hours he was tracked. That is $320 dollars per hour. He has streamed a lot more than just 23 hours, but as he wasn't tracked by that site then we can only guess at the actual total.
That came from this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430361¤tpage=40
Now, just imagine what flash or fantasy could be raking in if they just said "screw it, i'm following bisu out" because I believe that is exactly what they are going to be doing sooner rather than later. Why wouldn't they?
Take a look at this on artosis's facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=661645930514972&set=a.659406454072253.1073741826.157111267635110&type=1&theater
This was like a month or two months ago
I'm trying to stay as peaceful as I can about this. But the primary problem is you guys insisting that NOTHING IS WRONG and so there's no pressure on david kim and dustin browder to actually do something.
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This is something that could happen in wc3 or (possibly?) sc1 as well; the casters are just amused abot what mc is doing, they're not hyping it, it's just... they laugh about it. I did as well, actually.
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On October 07 2013 22:28 shivver wrote:
Look at millenium forgg right now with his mind blowing 177 viewers, christ Sterling used to get up to a thousand viewers and he's just some random NA nobody. Better yet, look at bisu streaming brood war right now pulling in 3x the amount of viewers and I believe he just started the stream up. From what I understand, it's only counting twitch viewers in that number so the actual number on afreeca is quite higher.
And what if you actually pay attention that ForGG does not stream on twitch because he never had a high enough viewer count to actually make any sufficient money from it? Using HerO and JD was a more correct example, so careful pl0x. Also, ever thought that there are only so many BJs one can watch and donate his moneys to? So whatever, keep your negativity out of my mind, pl0x! Also, you once again make a false assumption that this happening has anything to do with DB and DK and that they will give a fuck about it, since the reasons behind SC2 in Korea are much deeper than you think, that are fixed in ez-pz written patch notes, that will be done in a second with a magic wand.
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On October 07 2013 22:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 22:28 shivver wrote:
Look at millenium forgg right now with his mind blowing 177 viewers, christ Sterling used to get up to a thousand viewers and he's just some random NA nobody. Better yet, look at bisu streaming brood war right now pulling in 3x the amount of viewers and I believe he just started the stream up. From what I understand, it's only counting twitch viewers in that number so the actual number on afreeca is quite higher.
And what if you actually pay attention that ForGG does not stream on twitch because he never had a high enough viewer count to actually make any sufficient money from it? Using HerO and JD was a more correct example, so careful pl0x. Also, ever thought that there are only so many BJs one can watch and donate his moneys to? So whatever, keep your negativity out of my mind, pl0x! Also, you once again make a false assumption that this happening has anything to do with DB and DK and that they will give a fuck about it, since the reasons behind SC2 in Korea are much deeper than you think, that are fixed in ez-pz written patch notes, that will be done in a second with a magic wand.
I'll see you in a year
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On October 07 2013 22:28 shivver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 22:10 VieuxSinge wrote:
I have 57 contacts in my friend list and an average of 10 always online despite the fact that right now everyone (me included) is playing hearthstone right now.
But i guess since YOUR friends aren't playing anymore, the game is dying. *beats head on wall* I tell you what, I'll meet you back here october 7th 2014 when .01% of korea actually plays the game, the wcs finals has 5k viewing it, and flash/fantasy and so many others go back to brood war because there's ACTUALLY more money there and we'll see whose head feels better okay? I guess your friends don't watch day9 either with his incredible 1.5k viewers the other day. Down from 18k the first time I saw him back in early 2011. I guess 16.5k must be playing hearthstone as well? Look at millenium forgg right now with his mind blowing 177 viewers, christ Sterling used to get up to a thousand viewers and he's just some random NA nobody. Better yet, look at bisu streaming brood war right now pulling in 3x the amount of viewers and I believe he just started the stream up. From what I understand, it's only counting twitch viewers in that number so the actual number on afreeca is quite higher. Did you know that since bisu has been streaming brood war as of like 2 weeks ago or something: According to this page: http://www.starlog.co.kr/xe/?_filter=search&act=&mid=starlog&category=&search_target=title&search_keyword=rlaxordydBisu has earned over $7300 dollars (105k balloons~) in the 23 hours he was tracked. That is $320 dollars per hour. He has streamed a lot more than just 23 hours, but as he wasn't tracked by that site then we can only guess at the actual total. That came from this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430361¤tpage=40Now, just imagine what flash or fantasy could be raking in if they just said "screw it, i'm following bisu out" because I believe that is exactly what they are going to be doing sooner rather than later. Why wouldn't they? Take a look at this on artosis's facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=661645930514972&set=a.659406454072253.1073741826.157111267635110&type=1&theaterThis was like a month or two months ago I'm trying to stay as peaceful as I can about this. But the primary problem is you guys insisting that NOTHING IS WRONG and so there's no pressure on david kim and dustin browder to actually do something.
srsly there isnt any logic in your argument. So u believe if sc2 would be better (whats exactly better for u? ), it would have as many viewers as lol? Yes the actual streaming numbers arent as high as they used to be (when lol and dota werent really that big..), but they are constantly top3 on twitch. Even if sc2 would be the best game in the world, lol would still be number one in terms of viewers, u have to accept that its the era of mobas, rts games just dont appeal to the masses.
Korea is another topic, Bw was just THE esport there, ofc they like it more than sc2, and i bet they wouldnt change their opinion even if sc2 would become better than bw, just because of lol now.
All u negative people do is repeat the same stupid nonsense over and over again, yeah there are flaws in sc2, yes it could be better, but it isnt bad and it isnt dying either. Srsly if sc2 is dying, every other game that isnt dota2 or lol is pretty much dead right now i guess?
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I think symphonic metal is the best music that can possible be. I hate pop and wubwub music with all my heart like most of people that listen metal music.
Jumbjumb(pop) and wubwub music doesnt require any skill. There is no band, artist many times just play song from their album and dont even sing. Almost every song is not made by themself (WTF!!!!!!!). And the worst thing, songs have no melody. Almost every song is same. Singing about love love love love love and "band"(compurter) says TY TY TY TY (bass). But still wubwubshit have more listeners than metal, how it's possible?
Wate a minute? Isn't that same as SC2 vs LoL/Dota2? How on earth people don't appreciate skill and devotion? Sorry but world just doesn't go like that.
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On October 07 2013 18:52 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 18:33 Grumbels wrote:
Why are we discussing this 'friend' as if he's someone relevant? For all we know the story is made up or the friend made up the reasons. It's all speculative. I think someone is an idiot if they would search through team liquid to find negativity before making up their own mind about whether the game is fun. you won't do research before you buy a game?
I know I didn't. Starcraft already had a huge fan-base which meant a very active community. It was going to be the newest RTS on the market. Esports was going to be something.
How can you NOT buy such a game? When WoL got out I was pumped as fuck and when I got the game, I enjoyed it (because I was playing protoss and had no idea how the game worked at all).
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On October 08 2013 00:31 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 18:52 ETisME wrote:On October 07 2013 18:33 Grumbels wrote:
Why are we discussing this 'friend' as if he's someone relevant? For all we know the story is made up or the friend made up the reasons. It's all speculative. I think someone is an idiot if they would search through team liquid to find negativity before making up their own mind about whether the game is fun. you won't do research before you buy a game? I know I didn't. Starcraft already had a huge fan-base which meant a very active community. It was going to be the newest RTS on the market. Esports was going to be something. How can you NOT buy such a game? When WoL got out I was pumped as fuck and when I got the game, I enjoyed it (because I was playing protoss and had no idea how the game worked at all).
To be honest, every one around my age (around 25 now) that I know of didn't play Broodwar at all. I won't be surprised if only me who know about Starcraft before SC2 is released.
BW is kinda famous in China, but it wasn't played by a lot of people.
unlike dota and WC3, people play it and know about it.
The closest thing I knew about esport scene would be Navi from dota and razor gaming gear and that's it lol
I went abroad to study for almost 10 years and it is just RARE to have anyone mentioning broodwar at all.
Lots of people I know played custom maps on WC3 and Dota. We mainly played some consoles, handheld and PC single player games like Elder scroll etc.
I think only 3 friends of mine play SC2 multiplayer.
One started playing before I know him, another two I convinced them to play.
Sadly only I am playing the game now, everyone switched to LoL or pretty much quit gaming all together.
In fact, me and 2 other friends finished the campaign with the cracked version of WoL. Both of them stopped there and I spent a long time trying to get WoL 1v1 computer to work on my computer, just to see what 1v1 is like.
Then I watch battle report and find out about Husky and HD and Day9, then I come to TL and bought SC2 and decided to commit to the game :D
The funny thing is, they were the one to tell me to play the game and try it out lol
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On October 07 2013 22:28 shivver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 22:10 VieuxSinge wrote:
I have 57 contacts in my friend list and an average of 10 always online despite the fact that right now everyone (me included) is playing hearthstone right now.
But i guess since YOUR friends aren't playing anymore, the game is dying. *beats head on wall* I tell you what, I'll meet you back here october 7th 2014 when .01% of korea actually plays the game, the wcs finals has 5k viewing it, and flash/fantasy and so many others go back to brood war because there's ACTUALLY more money there and we'll see whose head feels better okay? I guess your friends don't watch day9 either with his incredible 1.5k viewers the other day. Down from 18k the first time I saw him back in early 2011. I guess 16.5k must be playing hearthstone as well? Look at millenium forgg right now with his mind blowing 177 viewers, christ Sterling used to get up to a thousand viewers and he's just some random NA nobody. Better yet, look at bisu streaming brood war right now pulling in 3x the amount of viewers and I believe he just started the stream up. From what I understand, it's only counting twitch viewers in that number so the actual number on afreeca is quite higher. Did you know that since bisu has been streaming brood war as of like 2 weeks ago or something: According to this page: http://www.starlog.co.kr/xe/?_filter=search&act=&mid=starlog&category=&search_target=title&search_keyword=rlaxordydBisu has earned over $7300 dollars (105k balloons~) in the 23 hours he was tracked. That is $320 dollars per hour. He has streamed a lot more than just 23 hours, but as he wasn't tracked by that site then we can only guess at the actual total. That came from this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430361¤tpage=40Now, just imagine what flash or fantasy could be raking in if they just said "screw it, i'm following bisu out" because I believe that is exactly what they are going to be doing sooner rather than later. Why wouldn't they? Take a look at this on artosis's facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=661645930514972&set=a.659406454072253.1073741826.157111267635110&type=1&theaterThis was like a month or two months ago I'm trying to stay as peaceful as I can about this. But the primary problem is you guys insisting that NOTHING IS WRONG and so there's no pressure on david kim and dustin browder to actually do something.
true, the KR scene is shrinking. But at the other end there's 50k people watching every WCS EU night. There's 70k people watching Dreamhack. People are having fun and players are earning money. So I doubt everything is doom and gloom as you say.
But in the end, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If enough people shout SC2 is dying, then investors will hear the entire scene screaming it and not invest. Is that what you want?
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On October 07 2013 22:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 22:28 shivver wrote:
Look at millenium forgg right now with his mind blowing 177 viewers, christ Sterling used to get up to a thousand viewers and he's just some random NA nobody. Better yet, look at bisu streaming brood war right now pulling in 3x the amount of viewers and I believe he just started the stream up. From what I understand, it's only counting twitch viewers in that number so the actual number on afreeca is quite higher.
And what if you actually pay attention that ForGG does not stream on twitch because he never had a high enough viewer count to actually make any sufficient money from it? Using HerO and JD was a more correct example, so careful pl0x. Also, ever thought that there are only so many BJs one can watch and donate his moneys to? So whatever, keep your negativity out of my mind, pl0x! Also, you once again make a false assumption that this happening has anything to do with DB and DK and that they will give a fuck about it, since the reasons behind SC2 in Korea are much deeper than you think, that are fixed in ez-pz written patch notes, that will be done in a second with a magic wand.
You need to understand that aside from korean viewers. BW streams in afreeca has restreams by the hundreds in China where BW is still really fucking big.
Face it. The rate of SC2's decay is really high .. like shivver said, see you in a year.
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hatign all those negative comments right here. i agree that blizzard has to improve it's game, region lock for wcs will definetly get me to watch next year because i don't like a full army of koreans fighting it out in the finals. i just dont like it. but what i dont like is the people taht are constantly stating that the game is dying. it is not at all dying, it is just growing slower then dota2 or league. which is understandable because rts generally dont appeal to much to casuals. especially sc2 in its current state. you wanna know a game that is dead? medal of honour airborne. about 10 people playing multiplayer at a time. as long as you can find matches in a minute or less the game is far from dead.
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On October 08 2013 00:52 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:31 Incognoto wrote:On October 07 2013 18:52 ETisME wrote:On October 07 2013 18:33 Grumbels wrote:
Why are we discussing this 'friend' as if he's someone relevant? For all we know the story is made up or the friend made up the reasons. It's all speculative. I think someone is an idiot if they would search through team liquid to find negativity before making up their own mind about whether the game is fun. you won't do research before you buy a game? I know I didn't. Starcraft already had a huge fan-base which meant a very active community. It was going to be the newest RTS on the market. Esports was going to be something. How can you NOT buy such a game? When WoL got out I was pumped as fuck and when I got the game, I enjoyed it (because I was playing protoss and had no idea how the game worked at all). To be honest, every one around my age (around 25 now) that I know of didn't play Broodwar at all. I won't be surprised if only me who know about Starcraft before SC2 is released. BW is kinda famous in China, but it wasn't played by a lot of people. unlike dota and WC3, people play it and know about it. The closest thing I knew about esport scene would be Navi from dota and razor gaming gear and that's it lol I went abroad to study for almost 10 years and it is just RARE to have anyone mentioning broodwar at all. Lots of people I know played custom maps on WC3 and Dota. We mainly played some consoles, handheld and PC single player games like Elder scroll etc. I think only 3 friends of mine play SC2 multiplayer. One started playing before I know him, another two I convinced them to play. Sadly only I am playing the game now, everyone switched to LoL or pretty much quit gaming all together. In fact, me and 2 other friends finished the campaign with the cracked version of WoL. Both of them stopped there and I spent a long time trying to get WoL 1v1 computer to work on my computer, just to see what 1v1 is like. Then I watch battle report and find out about Husky and HD and Day9, then I come to TL and bought SC2 and decided to commit to the game :D The funny thing is, they were the one to tell me to play the game and try it out lol
^^ yeah before sc2 i was playing aoe3
basically those who were into rts genre were excited about sc2. very few people from outside the rts realm would have been interested
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It's time for the foreigners to step up to the lvl of koreans, i think it's awesome like it is now, i dunno if i would even watch the WCS EU with only european's, i wouldn't be half as excited for it as now at least. Why's koreans overall are so much better generally speaking?, i think it's their disciplin and willpower, high ambitions to do whatever it takes to be best in the world, i bet they would even cut of a leg if they had to, Will the foreigners ever come up to korean standard? except for a few then ofc.. I don't know about regionbased WCS, it feels like a cowards choice. But i bet it will make the top eu players able to eventually earn more money and show that they are the best in EU, but at the same time it's more rewarding to beat a korean in the finals and more of an achievement, i would think at least.
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On October 08 2013 01:05 SCguineapig wrote:
hatign all those negative comments right here. i agree that blizzard has to improve it's game, region lock for wcs will definetly get me to watch next year because i don't like a full army of koreans fighting it out in the finals. i just dont like it. but what i dont like is the people taht are constantly stating that the game is dying. it is not at all dying, it is just growing slower then dota2 or league. which is understandable because rts generally dont appeal to much to casuals. especially sc2 in its current state. you wanna know a game that is dead? medal of honour airborne. about 10 people playing multiplayer at a time. as long as you can find matches in a minute or less the game is far from dead.
Is SC2 growing? I thought overall the view numbers have gone down. Region locking is a double edged sword. If you region lock you are going to see a lot of Koreans retire.
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It's hard to put my finger on what exactly makes SC2 so incredibly not fun, while BW I find is more like billiards where just taking shots is fun. If I had to guess I think it is something to do with game speed, "terrible terrible damage", and/or the SC2 economy. Maybe slowing the game down would enable average players to enjoy these activities you describe as fun (I certainly never had fun with them).
You know, it definitely isn't fun, and your snooker/SC1 analogy is great. I think there is a way better analogy for SC2 itself: Professional Starcraft 2 is like trying to having Professional Water Fights. Water fights are fun, really fun, but there is too much randomness and chaos to make it a professional sport. If you said in a water fight, "okay, the water fight is over when you get wet" and then you gave everyone squirt guns and buckets - you can see where I'm going with this. It just makes no sense. Even if you look at Starcraft 2 it just looks like hungry hungry hippos, it makes a great tech demo, but in terms of control with your mouse - it feels like you're playing with silly putty. There is no serious articulation. If you took out all the models, cool wireframes, and you just had black dots - you'd see it so clearly. As 'glitchy' and tile based as SC1 is, you would see a accuracy and logic that makes sense, like tracing your finger through a passage of a book. It'd make sense to you as a human. If you did the same to SC2, well, it'd look like a game of chance, like cards being thrown in the air and falling randomly to the ground.
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On October 08 2013 01:35 norjoncal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:05 SCguineapig wrote:
hatign all those negative comments right here. i agree that blizzard has to improve it's game, region lock for wcs will definetly get me to watch next year because i don't like a full army of koreans fighting it out in the finals. i just dont like it. but what i dont like is the people taht are constantly stating that the game is dying. it is not at all dying, it is just growing slower then dota2 or league. which is understandable because rts generally dont appeal to much to casuals. especially sc2 in its current state. you wanna know a game that is dead? medal of honour airborne. about 10 people playing multiplayer at a time. as long as you can find matches in a minute or less the game is far from dead. Is SC2 growing? I thought overall the view numbers have gone down. Region locking is a double edged sword. If you region lock you are going to see a lot of Koreans retire.
Its been going downhill. First wcs eu i watched had peak of 100k viewers. 2nd I watched was like 60k (TI3). and the recent finals i think was also about 60k (without TI3). If only more top koreans speak english like MC viewers would come back for the drama.
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i have a big tough problem with Starcraft.
It is clearly Blizzard's #3 money maker. Warcraft and Diablo generate a lot more cash.
Blizzard has done a nice job building and supporting a (base building resource gathering) RTS while watching all other contributors to the genre commit fewer and fewer resources.
The whole "Blizzard Arcade" thing ended up bringing in $0.
Blizzard does have at least one bullet left in the chamber though.
"Blizzard All-Stars".
A good thing in SC2's favour is that its engine will power whatever MOBA Blizzard comes up with.
Kudos to Xeris for carefully reading and thoughtfully responding to this thread rather than letting it devolve into a shitstorm.
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On October 08 2013 01:44 Kheve wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:35 norjoncal wrote:On October 08 2013 01:05 SCguineapig wrote:
hatign all those negative comments right here. i agree that blizzard has to improve it's game, region lock for wcs will definetly get me to watch next year because i don't like a full army of koreans fighting it out in the finals. i just dont like it. but what i dont like is the people taht are constantly stating that the game is dying. it is not at all dying, it is just growing slower then dota2 or league. which is understandable because rts generally dont appeal to much to casuals. especially sc2 in its current state. you wanna know a game that is dead? medal of honour airborne. about 10 people playing multiplayer at a time. as long as you can find matches in a minute or less the game is far from dead. Is SC2 growing? I thought overall the view numbers have gone down. Region locking is a double edged sword. If you region lock you are going to see a lot of Koreans retire. Its been going downhill. First wcs eu i watched had peak of 100k viewers. 2nd I watched was like 60k (TI3). and the recent finals i think was also about 60k (without TI3). If only more top koreans speak english like MC viewers would come back for the drama.
Speaking for myself, I have watched less SC2 this season. I do not like the WCS system as it feels to me like a surfeit of SC2 content. I'd prefer less content - so that when I do watch it, it is more important. This is why, these days, I just watch GSL (and that only the RO8 games and onwards - and favourite players/match-ups in RO16 and RO32). Last season I followed most of WCS EU from the RO 32 onwards. This season, I just watched favourite players/mu from the RO16 onwards. Don't get me wrong. I still like watching SC2. But, as there seems to be so much of it, I am picky with my time.
Edit/ This may be the same for many other people. Similarly, I like rugby and love cricket. But, I rarely watch either as much anymore (there is a lot more of it!). For example, in NZ I do not watch any Super 15 (transnational rugby tournament) and only watch some All Black games (whereas earlier I'd watch some S15 and all or most AB games). I used to watch a lot more cricket than I do now. But, now, I may just watch The Ashes and the occassional ODI or test match featuring the Black Caps (NZ Cricket Team). Neither mean that I dislike rugby or cricket. Cricket, for me, remains the greatest game of all time.
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On October 08 2013 06:42 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:44 Kheve wrote:On October 08 2013 01:35 norjoncal wrote:On October 08 2013 01:05 SCguineapig wrote:
hatign all those negative comments right here. i agree that blizzard has to improve it's game, region lock for wcs will definetly get me to watch next year because i don't like a full army of koreans fighting it out in the finals. i just dont like it. but what i dont like is the people taht are constantly stating that the game is dying. it is not at all dying, it is just growing slower then dota2 or league. which is understandable because rts generally dont appeal to much to casuals. especially sc2 in its current state. you wanna know a game that is dead? medal of honour airborne. about 10 people playing multiplayer at a time. as long as you can find matches in a minute or less the game is far from dead. Is SC2 growing? I thought overall the view numbers have gone down. Region locking is a double edged sword. If you region lock you are going to see a lot of Koreans retire. Its been going downhill. First wcs eu i watched had peak of 100k viewers. 2nd I watched was like 60k (TI3). and the recent finals i think was also about 60k (without TI3). If only more top koreans speak english like MC viewers would come back for the drama. Speaking for myself, I have watched less SC2 this season. I do not like the WCS system as it feels to me like a surfeit of SC2 content. I'd prefer less content - so that when I do watch it, it is more important. This is why, these days, I just watch GSL (and that only the RO8 games and onwards - and favourite players/match-ups in RO16 and RO32). Last season I followed most of WCS EU from the RO 32 onwards. This season, I just watched favourite players/vods from the RO16 onwards. Don't get me wrong. I still like watching SC2. But, as there seems to be so much of it, I am picky with my time.
This is another great point. Some people have the weird expectation, that every sc2 event is out there so that they personally can watch it, and that cutting back their sc2 consumption is a sign that the scene is inflating. It's only natural for all the hardcore fans to eventually cut their consumption to realistic levels (that means for example for me less staying awake in the middle of the night to watch events on NA), which also implies skipping some events, lowering their viewer numbers. Yes, it hurts the tournament organizers to have less viewer, but it is a necessary step in the long run. 
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The bottom line is that SC2 is heavily macro based and very weak in the micro aspect. And macro is boring to watch - "oh look at how he's never missing an scv! Wow!"
People like it when fighting games are about fighting. That's why LoL, Dota are all more popular. They're always fighting. Laning phase: constant trading, ganking. Teamfights, fighting over dragon/baron, tower diving, etc etc.
The bottom line is, SC2 is just not that action packed - spend 20 min to build up a big deathball, then a 10 sec. fight and gg. Yeah there is some harass here and there, but it's nothing near the action of the games.
I repeat - SC2 is just not that action packed. Fix that and you fix its dying popularity.
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