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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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arena_say_what
122 Posts
I think the commend systems in dota and league are a bit circlejerky but for sc2 I think it could really add benefit to the game | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
Just like a friend says... SC2 commentators are like bad porn actors, they try to act all hype but nothing really is happening, I though hightlights meant something like Slayers_Boxer's hightlights, like a player doing something, a micro move, something happening, not some dull thing like in that video, how dissapointing. It's worth the watch, it describes a bit the state of this game. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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RampancyTW
United States577 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:39 Nevermind86 wrote: Dude. That's an anti-highlight. It's listed as a highlight because MC's mistake is hilarious.Some people were arguing that SC2 was not fun, and to be honest to me (and a lot of people) it is not that fun compared to good old BW/WC3/DOTA. So, I was looking the SC2 forums to see something interesting, I decided to click the WCS tournament hightlights, this is the first one on the list: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da66ACO5MyI Just like a friend says... SC2 commentators are like bad porn actors, they try to act all hype but nothing really is happening, I though hightlights meant something like Slayers_Boxer's hightlights, like a player doing something, a micro move, something happening, not some dull thing like in that video, how dissapointing. It's worth the watch, it describes a bit the state of this game. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:39 Nevermind86 wrote: Some people were arguing that SC2 was not fun, and to be honest to me (and a lot of people) it is not that fun compared to good old BW/WC3/DOTA. So, I was looking the SC2 forums to see something interesting, I decided to click the WCS tournament hightlights, this is the first one on the list: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da66ACO5MyI Just like a friend says... SC2 commentators are like bad porn actors, they try to act all hype but nothing really is happening, I though hightlights meant something like Slayers_Boxer's hightlights, like a player doing something, a micro move, something happening, not some dull thing like in that video, how dissapointing. It's worth the watch, it describes a bit the state of this game. Mate, that's more a take the piss "highlight" than anything. It's meant to be funny. And it is. It was even more funny to me than usual, because that day I had made a similar mistake in a PvZ (also on Whirlwind) as my gate opening into 3 gate pressure hit an empty 3rd. Needless to say, scout properly on 4 player maps. I died (heroically) to the swarm very soon after.  There should be another "proper" highlight of another MC game. Check out the game against Thorzain on Akilon. Good game! | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On October 07 2013 07:02 RampancyTW wrote: Dude. That's an anti-highlight. It's listed as a highlight because MC's mistake is hilarious. I think if it was supposed to be a highlight it would benefit from editing. You know how in sports there are highlights that start in one place fast forward end in another -- this would have benefitted from that. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland1967 Posts
The whole production of events often seems to have some kind of overblown desire to be cooler than it is. Most of the intermissions and such are absolutely unbearable with constant dubstep or cheesy pop. They often even play music while someone is talking. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
My friend was very excited about sc2. I showd him DH and he got even more excited. Then few weeks later I asked in what league you are? He said he hasnt bought game. I asked why. He said that sc2 is dieng. What had he done? He found TL and was very excited but after reading comments that sc2 is dieng he wasnt very excited anymore. Why to buy game that is going to die? Thats almost same thing that apple worker saying our products sucks. Try to understand that people buy things that other buy/like. We are all walking commercials. We just choose do we send positive or negative message about sc2. ^ye that ofc if we want new players. With how people is acting, seems like we dont want new players. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On October 07 2013 17:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I think the biggest problem is /us/. When new player or interested into starcraft guy comes to TL and see all the worthless doom threads. You think he is going to start playing? My friend was very excited about sc2. I showd him DH and he got even more excited. Then few weeks later I asked in what league you are? He said he hasnt bought game. I asked why. He said that sc2 is dieng. What had he done? He found TL and was very excited but after reading comments that sc2 is dieng he wasnt very excited anymore. Why to buy game that is going to die? Thats almost same thing that apple worker saying our products sucks. Try to understand that people buy things that other buy/like. We are all walking commercials. We just choose do we send positive or negative message about sc2. ^ye that ofc if we want new players. With how people is acting, seems like we dont want new players. I agree with this, the negativity about the game is almost overwhelming. Most people who play SC2 will end up either at the Blizzard forums or TeamLiquid and these posts of gloom and doom don't help at all. It reminds me of World of Warcraft forums where "If i am not playing the most op class this game sux" posts. People who want to be serious about a game end usually end up in forums to try and gain knowledge on how to improve. Instead all they see is posts such as this and the Designated Balance Discussion, its demoralising to new players. | ||
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Excelion
Bulgaria59 Posts
On October 07 2013 17:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I think the biggest problem is /us/. When new player or interested into starcraft guy comes to TL and see all the worthless doom threads. You think he is going to start playing? My friend was very excited about sc2. I showd him DH and he got even more excited. Then few weeks later I asked in what league you are? He said he hasnt bought game. I asked why. He said that sc2 is dieng. What had he done? He found TL and was very excited but after reading comments that sc2 is dieng he wasnt very excited anymore. Why to buy game that is going to die? Thats almost same thing that apple worker saying our products sucks. Try to understand that people buy things that other buy/like. We are all walking commercials. We just choose do we send positive or negative message about sc2. ^ye that ofc if we want new players. With how people is acting, seems like we dont want new players. Well we are self destructing community. People just care about SC and have the right to tell the truth. Its not a bad thing actually if we just sugarcoat everything and ignore the countless issues that had been stated over and over again, nothing will ever change. The question is how much this game needs to fall before the rusty gears in some blizz employers start working agian... | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 06 2013 23:17 c0sm0naut wrote: This is one of the main reasons I stopped playing, it's frustrating that on NA server less and less plays are playing legit. It's not anything new but when it is obviously getting worse and nothing had been done its frustrating. Not to mention they have not opened players to create their own ladders with anti cheats. When hacking goes from 1/100 to 1/20 or 30 players, people stop hiding their hacking and reporting not working its hard to want to play. I've always been around high mast and low gm Mmr so my rating dodnt change, only more people became cheaters. IMO unless hacking is solved this game has not future. There needs to be a report-for-cheating function you can use that is powerful enough to ban players without blizzard needing to help. This community has been scared that player-only bans or suspensions would be bad but if you only gave players this option after fully watching a replay it would make it better. In dota if you are reported by your team you are put In a low priority pool where you match with other low priority players and are unable to gain "battle point" if we made it so players could report others for cheating and after 20 or so it disables them from earning ladder points I can see this being much better. However cheating is only one problem sc2 faces. Sooo, I played a game against some1 and I was damn lucky, because (s)he was constantly udner some of my observers or I moved and the reaper just stopped(everyone here has to have these kind of games, where you just look away from your army for 1 second and the army is gone(bane/emp), this stuff happens). (S)He didn§t realize this, but at the end of the game the player said he will report me for hacking and so do the clan. The clan has over 20 people in it(I think 30+). Let's say that it would happen in this system. I would be punished for cheating where I wasn't, because 20+ people said I was? I really don't think this system would work. And from what I've heard from my friends - in lower leagues it's only worse - they are being accused from cheating all the time with the line "and my clan will report you as well". Seriously, how this system protects innocent players? | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On October 07 2013 17:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I think the biggest problem is /us/. When new player or interested into starcraft guy comes to TL and see all the worthless doom threads. You think he is going to start playing? My friend was very excited about sc2. I showd him DH and he got even more excited. Then few weeks later I asked in what league you are? He said he hasnt bought game. I asked why. He said that sc2 is dieng. What had he done? He found TL and was very excited but after reading comments that sc2 is dieng he wasnt very excited anymore. Why to buy game that is going to die? Thats almost same thing that apple worker saying our products sucks. Try to understand that people buy things that other buy/like. We are all walking commercials. We just choose do we send positive or negative message about sc2. ^ye that ofc if we want new players. With how people is acting, seems like we dont want new players. The thing is that you have to agree that the core game design creates problems OR you need to prove the doubters wrong. You cant just take a flawed game and pretend it is all sunshine and roses everywhere and make the game good through that. Not with a HUGE potential as the Starcraft franchise. You actually need a flexible game design where skillful players benefit and the less skillful have a lower chance to win. That isnt the case with SC2 and the best example is the Baneling. Does the attacker's skill decide the efficiency of the unit? Nope! It is the defender who has to screw up to make the unit worthwile or even game-winning ... and due to the fact that massive and clumped armies are standard in the game you only have a second or less to react in the right way. That is hardly a well designed game concept and people are criticising the devs for it. In one interview David Kim even said that HE thinks mech was boring and that they would keep mech less powerful compared to bio ON PURPOSE. That shows a terrible attitude of the devs, because they should try their best to make every unit in the game as useful as it could be within the boundaries of balance. The choice of playstyle should be left to the players instead of being dictated by the devs. Is it really unjustified that the community is critcising the devs? I dont think so, but sadly David Kim and Dustin Browder dont seem to care or they dont understand the problems. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 07 2013 18:08 Rabiator wrote: The thing is that you have to agree that the core game design creates problems OR you need to prove the doubters wrong. You cant just take a flawed game and pretend it is all sunshine and roses everywhere and make the game good through that. Not with a HUGE potential as the Starcraft franchise. You actually need a flexible game design where skillful players benefit and the less skillful have a lower chance to win. That isnt the case with SC2 and the best example is the Baneling. Does the attacker's skill decide the efficiency of the unit? Nope! It is the defender who has to screw up to make the unit worthwile or even game-winning ... and due to the fact that massive and clumped armies are standard in the game you only have a second or less to react in the right way. That is hardly a well designed game concept and people are criticising the devs for it. In one interview David Kim even said that HE thinks mech was boring and that they would keep mech less powerful compared to bio ON PURPOSE. That shows a terrible attitude of the devs, because they should try their best to make every unit in the game as useful as it could be within the boundaries of balance. The choice of playstyle should be left to the players instead of being dictated by the devs. Is it really unjustified that the community is critcising the devs? I dont think so, but sadly David Kim and Dustin Browder dont seem to care or they dont understand the problems. Yeah cause it istn like the best players win the most right? Koreans struggle to beat foreigners and there arent even players over 60% winrate i guess. Srsly comments like yours are the reason his friend didnt buy the game. (well atleast u didnt say the game dies.. lol). Btw i never saw anyone complaining about the marine - baneling interaction before, nice to see something new to rage about. Now i will tell you something: I agree that sc2 has flawes, but you know EVERY game has flaws and whats even more important: Its all subjective taste in the end. League of Legends has so much flaws, you could write a book about it but in the end it doesnt matter cause there are like 100 milion players ( nah srsly dont know the right numbers but u get my point). They just have fun with the game and the esportscene and dont start a "why this game is bad- thread " whenever they are on reddit. People like u dont realize that at this point all the doomsday atmosphere does more dmg to the scene and game than it helps, oftentimes people just repeat things parrot-fashion and other people buy into it. Its getting really old. | ||
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wishr
Russian Federation262 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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ETisME
12479 Posts
On October 07 2013 18:33 Grumbels wrote: Why are we discussing this 'friend' as if he's someone relevant? For all we know the story is made up or the friend made up the reasons. It's all speculative. I think someone is an idiot if they would search through team liquid to find negativity before making up their own mind about whether the game is fun. you won't do research before you buy a game? | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On October 07 2013 18:52 ETisME wrote: you won't do research before you buy a game? Why would you read community forums (notoriously whiny) before deciding on buying a game? If you would have read the WoW forums in 2008 you would think the game was losing subscribers and had no redeeming value, but subscriber numbers were increasing and it was just a vocal minority. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On October 07 2013 18:33 Grumbels wrote: Why are we discussing this 'friend' as if he's someone relevant? For all we know the story is made up or the friend made up the reasons. It's all speculative. I think someone is an idiot if they would search through team liquid to find negativity before making up their own mind about whether the game is fun. I dunno about you but i do research ahead when buying someting, including games. If the biggest site of a certain thing saids it sucks and all i see is doom and gloom; why should spend money on it when there is other stuff to buy? | ||
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