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Dear Bisu[Shield], please marry ToSsGirL and bring the most beautiful children ever to this cruel world so they heal it from all the grief. You can have Calm as the second husband.
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On September 10 2013 00:50 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 00:40 _Animus_ wrote:On September 09 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 23:10 Xiphos wrote:On September 09 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 22:38 Sejanus wrote:
I'm curious to hear what dear David has to say to that. Two protoss broodwar legends unable to enjoy sc2, and unable to perform as well as they should have, is telling quite a bit about the race's design in sc2.
It's telling that different people have different tastes and what some like other's don't. Nothing more nothing less. No, clearly a protoss legend retiring has to be connect to something we can blame Blizzard for. It always has to be. I stubbed my toe last week and I am pretty sure it was because I was thinking about how to save SC2 from dying, so that has to be Blizzard's fault too. It is completely Blizzard's fault for creating the race to differentiate from the original style that's for sure. Everybody knows that P and T's play style have been inverted in SC2 so naturally speaking people won't enjoy it as much. Clearly its also Blizzard's fault there is mandatory military service in South Korea and that all the progamers live in gaming houses where it is super hard to have a girlfriend. Also, any injuries or family problems we might not know about because, you know, privacy, those are Blizzard's fault as well. Im amazed how ignorant people like this keep on coming and post so bullshit. on topic: Ok ok, 2 legendary players retiring doesnt mean nothing. LOL really? what about the others? How about SC2 is not enjoyed by the public? Maybe its not blizzard fault again, i guess by your logic those people just doesnt have taste for the good RTS games and doesnt understand true esports. By the way do you know which country made the esports - Korea hahahaha Do you know sc2 popularity is much below amateur BW in Korea right now? One might say, Koreans are used to the more complicated games, yes? No. League of legends surpassed greatly SC2 by popularity, and if you dont know this game is very simple unlike sc2. So then where is the problem? Anybody have thinked about sc2 is just not entertaining or just bad? That the way SC2 is continuing to be strong outside of Korea are only the money that big companies throw in, about huge ass tournaments and such? Now you have reasons to think and i guess not to write such bullshit next time. I guess you can call common sense BS, if that does not reflect your idea of SC2 sucking. Yes, they were legendary players in Brood War, and have a large following. But them retiring citing lack of passion for SC2 only means that they did not like SC2, and it is understandable, since they were forced to play it against their own like. SC2 is not enjoyed by public? Well, name me a high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is enjoyed by public. Brood War? Miss, most of it's fans almost never touched 1v1. Koreans are not used to more complicate games. THey are used to free-to-play games and there is nothing bad in that. Comparing LoL to SC2... is plain wrong and everyone knows reasons for it. Sc2 is entertaining for me, except for PvT (yes, only 1 match up out of 6). Also, SC2 is not strong outside of Korea on the back of money the big companies throw in, since big companies are not that stupid to throw money to not get exposure. They surely get it, if they keep doing it.
Havent you read my last post? To name you high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is ejnoyed by the public, i already did it, but let me try again, amateur SC BW is way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now, ok?
When talking about esports popularity in korea i dont see the wrong in comparing all of them to see the difference, for example when official BW was around it was doing great.
And for throwing money by the big companies. I have never said they dont get it back, did i? Reason is that everyone wants to play in big tournaments for big money and nothing more. Difference in Korea was the thrilling passion about the game, which has gone with the switch and we see the aftermath.
Aside from the topic I see this as another example of the higher morale of the asian nations. Brave enough to follow your heart and not do something that you dont want, because they can easily continue with their sure job and just stick there as they are getting paid right?
Bows to all and mostly to Jangbi!
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Am I the only one who sees every one of these retirements as a kick in the nose of SC2's design team?
Thanks for trying Bisu, noone will blame you for leaving.
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On September 10 2013 01:23 _Animus_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 00:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 00:40 _Animus_ wrote:On September 09 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 23:10 Xiphos wrote:On September 09 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 22:38 Sejanus wrote:
I'm curious to hear what dear David has to say to that. Two protoss broodwar legends unable to enjoy sc2, and unable to perform as well as they should have, is telling quite a bit about the race's design in sc2.
It's telling that different people have different tastes and what some like other's don't. Nothing more nothing less. No, clearly a protoss legend retiring has to be connect to something we can blame Blizzard for. It always has to be. I stubbed my toe last week and I am pretty sure it was because I was thinking about how to save SC2 from dying, so that has to be Blizzard's fault too. It is completely Blizzard's fault for creating the race to differentiate from the original style that's for sure. Everybody knows that P and T's play style have been inverted in SC2 so naturally speaking people won't enjoy it as much. Clearly its also Blizzard's fault there is mandatory military service in South Korea and that all the progamers live in gaming houses where it is super hard to have a girlfriend. Also, any injuries or family problems we might not know about because, you know, privacy, those are Blizzard's fault as well. Im amazed how ignorant people like this keep on coming and post so bullshit. on topic: Ok ok, 2 legendary players retiring doesnt mean nothing. LOL really? what about the others? How about SC2 is not enjoyed by the public? Maybe its not blizzard fault again, i guess by your logic those people just doesnt have taste for the good RTS games and doesnt understand true esports. By the way do you know which country made the esports - Korea hahahaha Do you know sc2 popularity is much below amateur BW in Korea right now? One might say, Koreans are used to the more complicated games, yes? No. League of legends surpassed greatly SC2 by popularity, and if you dont know this game is very simple unlike sc2. So then where is the problem? Anybody have thinked about sc2 is just not entertaining or just bad? That the way SC2 is continuing to be strong outside of Korea are only the money that big companies throw in, about huge ass tournaments and such? Now you have reasons to think and i guess not to write such bullshit next time. I guess you can call common sense BS, if that does not reflect your idea of SC2 sucking. Yes, they were legendary players in Brood War, and have a large following. But them retiring citing lack of passion for SC2 only means that they did not like SC2, and it is understandable, since they were forced to play it against their own like. SC2 is not enjoyed by public? Well, name me a high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is enjoyed by public. Brood War? Miss, most of it's fans almost never touched 1v1. Koreans are not used to more complicate games. THey are used to free-to-play games and there is nothing bad in that. Comparing LoL to SC2... is plain wrong and everyone knows reasons for it. Sc2 is entertaining for me, except for PvT (yes, only 1 match up out of 6). Also, SC2 is not strong outside of Korea on the back of money the big companies throw in, since big companies are not that stupid to throw money to not get exposure. They surely get it, if they keep doing it. Havent you read my last post? To name you high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is ejnoyed by the public, i already did it, but let me try again, amateur SC BW is way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now, ok? When talking about esports popularity in korea i dont see the wrong in comparing all of them to see the difference, for example when official BW was around it was doing great. And for throwing money by the big companies. I have never said they dont get it back, did i? Reason is that everyone wants to play in big tournaments for big money and nothing more. Difference in Korea was the thrilling passion about the game, which has gone with the switch and we see the aftermath. Aside from the topic I see this as another example of the higher morale of the asian nations. Brave enough to not do something that you dont want, because they can easily continue with their sure job and just stick there as they are getting paid right? Bows to all and mostly to Jangbi!
I have no clue how BW and SC2 relate in popularity, since it is impossible to get a statistic of active BW players.
Also, you will not believe, but aside from Passion, SC: BW in Korea was supported by a pretty good amount of money, because interest->sponsors->money->moar interest.
Also, if Bisu and Jangbi were brave enough, they would retire year ago. They were brave enough to actually try and enjoy (or they had a nice salary, and got a cut on it this year, i won't ever know) SC2, and i give 'em props for that.
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I'm sure he will have a career after his military service (which I guess couldn't be postponed any longer). If not as a player, then surely as a commentator like  firebathero or in Korean variety TV.
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On September 10 2013 01:30 Proseat wrote:I'm sure he will have a career after his military service (which I guess couldn't be postponed any longer). If not as a player, then surely as a commentator like firebathero or in Korean variety TV.
Probably. Or will just play BW (dream, i can dream!).
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And now Bisu.. Sad times. Hope he will start to play BW again. 
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Dreaded that day. Reasons to watch SC2 just diminish a bit more everyday.
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On September 10 2013 01:40 MiQ wrote:
Dreaded that day. Reasons to watch SC2 just diminish a bit more everyday.
which I reckon very good thing, why waste time.
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Old Protoss and Terran pros coming over to Starcraft II, they quickly start feeling that something is wrong with for example the TvP and PvP matchups.
Something feels wrong, might it be that in TvP the game is so passive "macro" on 3-bases until the 200/200 blob is gathered with such huge emphazis placed on the Colossus-hugging and thereby the Stalker being so weak to compensate? Yup. The midgame is so fkin passive and the only way for say the Protoss to show their skill is by a couple of seconds during the deciding engagement. There are no Dragoons and Reavers causing that active midgame, there are no Carrierswitches, there is just a Protoss blob, and a Terran blob as response.
PvP ofc does blow because of if you lose 3 Stalkers midgame..you're dead by virtue of Warptech reinforcement practically inside your base. Comeback-potential? Nono...shhh..only dreams now
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On September 09 2013 11:17 Kinky wrote:Looks like Jangbi was wrong
Nah. JangBi was doing fine before retiring. He was just hinting at Bisu retiring.
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On September 10 2013 01:43 Jawra wrote:
Old Protoss and Terran pros coming over to Starcraft II, they quickly start feeling that something is wrong with for example the TvP and PvP matchups.
Something feels wrong, might it be that in TvP the game is so passive "macro" on 3-bases until the 200/200 blob is gathered with such huge emphazis placed on the Colossus-hugging and thereby the Stalker being so weak to compensate? Yup. The midgame is so fkin passive and the only way for say the Protoss to show their skill is by a couple of seconds during the deciding engagement. There are no Dragoons and Reavers causing that active midgame, there are no Carrierswitches, there is just a Protoss blob, and a Terran blob as response.
PvP ofc does blow because of if you lose 3 Stalkers midgame..you're dead by virtue of Warptech reinforcement practically inside your base. Comeback-potential? Nono...shhh..only dreams now
PvP does not really blow ever since introduction of MSC. Ofc if you go nexus first against 10 gate into 3 gate push you will lose, that happens in every match-up.
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On September 10 2013 01:29 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 01:23 _Animus_ wrote:On September 10 2013 00:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 00:40 _Animus_ wrote:On September 09 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 23:10 Xiphos wrote:On September 09 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 22:38 Sejanus wrote:
I'm curious to hear what dear David has to say to that. Two protoss broodwar legends unable to enjoy sc2, and unable to perform as well as they should have, is telling quite a bit about the race's design in sc2.
It's telling that different people have different tastes and what some like other's don't. Nothing more nothing less. No, clearly a protoss legend retiring has to be connect to something we can blame Blizzard for. It always has to be. I stubbed my toe last week and I am pretty sure it was because I was thinking about how to save SC2 from dying, so that has to be Blizzard's fault too. It is completely Blizzard's fault for creating the race to differentiate from the original style that's for sure. Everybody knows that P and T's play style have been inverted in SC2 so naturally speaking people won't enjoy it as much. Clearly its also Blizzard's fault there is mandatory military service in South Korea and that all the progamers live in gaming houses where it is super hard to have a girlfriend. Also, any injuries or family problems we might not know about because, you know, privacy, those are Blizzard's fault as well. Im amazed how ignorant people like this keep on coming and post so bullshit. on topic: Ok ok, 2 legendary players retiring doesnt mean nothing. LOL really? what about the others? How about SC2 is not enjoyed by the public? Maybe its not blizzard fault again, i guess by your logic those people just doesnt have taste for the good RTS games and doesnt understand true esports. By the way do you know which country made the esports - Korea hahahaha Do you know sc2 popularity is much below amateur BW in Korea right now? One might say, Koreans are used to the more complicated games, yes? No. League of legends surpassed greatly SC2 by popularity, and if you dont know this game is very simple unlike sc2. So then where is the problem? Anybody have thinked about sc2 is just not entertaining or just bad? That the way SC2 is continuing to be strong outside of Korea are only the money that big companies throw in, about huge ass tournaments and such? Now you have reasons to think and i guess not to write such bullshit next time. I guess you can call common sense BS, if that does not reflect your idea of SC2 sucking. Yes, they were legendary players in Brood War, and have a large following. But them retiring citing lack of passion for SC2 only means that they did not like SC2, and it is understandable, since they were forced to play it against their own like. SC2 is not enjoyed by public? Well, name me a high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is enjoyed by public. Brood War? Miss, most of it's fans almost never touched 1v1. Koreans are not used to more complicate games. THey are used to free-to-play games and there is nothing bad in that. Comparing LoL to SC2... is plain wrong and everyone knows reasons for it. Sc2 is entertaining for me, except for PvT (yes, only 1 match up out of 6). Also, SC2 is not strong outside of Korea on the back of money the big companies throw in, since big companies are not that stupid to throw money to not get exposure. They surely get it, if they keep doing it. Havent you read my last post? To name you high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is ejnoyed by the public, i already did it, but let me try again, amateur SC BW is way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now, ok? When talking about esports popularity in korea i dont see the wrong in comparing all of them to see the difference, for example when official BW was around it was doing great. And for throwing money by the big companies. I have never said they dont get it back, did i? Reason is that everyone wants to play in big tournaments for big money and nothing more. Difference in Korea was the thrilling passion about the game, which has gone with the switch and we see the aftermath. Aside from the topic I see this as another example of the higher morale of the asian nations. Brave enough to not do something that you dont want, because they can easily continue with their sure job and just stick there as they are getting paid right? Bows to all and mostly to Jangbi! I have no clue how BW and SC2 relate in popularity, since it is impossible to get a statistic of active BW players. Also, you will not believe, but aside from Passion, SC: BW in Korea was supported by a pretty good amount of money, because interest->sponsors->money->moar interest. Also, if Bisu and Jangbi were brave enough, they would retire year ago. They were brave enough to actually try and enjoy (or they had a nice salary, and got a cut on it this year, i won't ever know) SC2, and i give 'em props for that.
Fish server has 24k+ active players at any one time if my recent watching of snipealot is correct; probably means there's 50k+ unique users/day. Still quite a few players, how much more would fan counts be?
As for sponsorship support, see SSL 8; Mike Morhaime basically had to tell Blizzard Korea to not charge Sonic the broadcast license for BW even if the tournament had over 5k USD in total prize pool. Do you see Valve asking for a license fee for tournies over 5k, and shutting them down if they didn't pay up? Same thing with Riot.
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As good as he was in BW, this is pretty much no big news for SC2, aside for his fans. Good luck to him nonetheless.
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On September 10 2013 01:56 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 01:29 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 01:23 _Animus_ wrote:On September 10 2013 00:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 00:40 _Animus_ wrote:On September 09 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 23:10 Xiphos wrote:On September 09 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 22:38 Sejanus wrote:
I'm curious to hear what dear David has to say to that. Two protoss broodwar legends unable to enjoy sc2, and unable to perform as well as they should have, is telling quite a bit about the race's design in sc2.
It's telling that different people have different tastes and what some like other's don't. Nothing more nothing less. No, clearly a protoss legend retiring has to be connect to something we can blame Blizzard for. It always has to be. I stubbed my toe last week and I am pretty sure it was because I was thinking about how to save SC2 from dying, so that has to be Blizzard's fault too. It is completely Blizzard's fault for creating the race to differentiate from the original style that's for sure. Everybody knows that P and T's play style have been inverted in SC2 so naturally speaking people won't enjoy it as much. Clearly its also Blizzard's fault there is mandatory military service in South Korea and that all the progamers live in gaming houses where it is super hard to have a girlfriend. Also, any injuries or family problems we might not know about because, you know, privacy, those are Blizzard's fault as well. Im amazed how ignorant people like this keep on coming and post so bullshit. on topic: Ok ok, 2 legendary players retiring doesnt mean nothing. LOL really? what about the others? How about SC2 is not enjoyed by the public? Maybe its not blizzard fault again, i guess by your logic those people just doesnt have taste for the good RTS games and doesnt understand true esports. By the way do you know which country made the esports - Korea hahahaha Do you know sc2 popularity is much below amateur BW in Korea right now? One might say, Koreans are used to the more complicated games, yes? No. League of legends surpassed greatly SC2 by popularity, and if you dont know this game is very simple unlike sc2. So then where is the problem? Anybody have thinked about sc2 is just not entertaining or just bad? That the way SC2 is continuing to be strong outside of Korea are only the money that big companies throw in, about huge ass tournaments and such? Now you have reasons to think and i guess not to write such bullshit next time. I guess you can call common sense BS, if that does not reflect your idea of SC2 sucking. Yes, they were legendary players in Brood War, and have a large following. But them retiring citing lack of passion for SC2 only means that they did not like SC2, and it is understandable, since they were forced to play it against their own like. SC2 is not enjoyed by public? Well, name me a high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is enjoyed by public. Brood War? Miss, most of it's fans almost never touched 1v1. Koreans are not used to more complicate games. THey are used to free-to-play games and there is nothing bad in that. Comparing LoL to SC2... is plain wrong and everyone knows reasons for it. Sc2 is entertaining for me, except for PvT (yes, only 1 match up out of 6). Also, SC2 is not strong outside of Korea on the back of money the big companies throw in, since big companies are not that stupid to throw money to not get exposure. They surely get it, if they keep doing it. Havent you read my last post? To name you high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is ejnoyed by the public, i already did it, but let me try again, amateur SC BW is way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now, ok? When talking about esports popularity in korea i dont see the wrong in comparing all of them to see the difference, for example when official BW was around it was doing great. And for throwing money by the big companies. I have never said they dont get it back, did i? Reason is that everyone wants to play in big tournaments for big money and nothing more. Difference in Korea was the thrilling passion about the game, which has gone with the switch and we see the aftermath. Aside from the topic I see this as another example of the higher morale of the asian nations. Brave enough to not do something that you dont want, because they can easily continue with their sure job and just stick there as they are getting paid right? Bows to all and mostly to Jangbi! I have no clue how BW and SC2 relate in popularity, since it is impossible to get a statistic of active BW players. Also, you will not believe, but aside from Passion, SC: BW in Korea was supported by a pretty good amount of money, because interest->sponsors->money->moar interest. Also, if Bisu and Jangbi were brave enough, they would retire year ago. They were brave enough to actually try and enjoy (or they had a nice salary, and got a cut on it this year, i won't ever know) SC2, and i give 'em props for that. Fish server has 24k+ active players at any one time if my recent watching of snipealot is correct; probably means there's 50k+ unique users/day. Still quite a few players, how much more would fan counts be? As for sponsorship support, see SSL 8; Mike Morhaime basically had to tell Blizzard Korea to not charge Sonic the broadcast license for BW even if the tournament had over 5k USD in total prize pool. Do you see Valve asking for a license fee for tournies over 5k, and shutting them down if they didn't pay up? Same thing with Riot.
I don't know, are they being broadcast on major networks or Twitch TV on some guys channel? I am sure if NBC said "Yo, we are going to show your game and not pay you anything," the discussion might be a little different. And Riot has a lock down on all LoL content anyways, so its not like there is a lot going in the non-LCS scene.
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On September 10 2013 01:40 MiQ wrote:
Dreaded that day. Reasons to watch SC2 just diminish a bit more everyday.
When is the last time Bisu even played a televised match of SC2? He wasn't even sent out very often in Proleague.
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On September 10 2013 01:56 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 01:29 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 01:23 _Animus_ wrote:On September 10 2013 00:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 00:40 _Animus_ wrote:On September 09 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 23:10 Xiphos wrote:On September 09 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 22:38 Sejanus wrote:
I'm curious to hear what dear David has to say to that. Two protoss broodwar legends unable to enjoy sc2, and unable to perform as well as they should have, is telling quite a bit about the race's design in sc2.
It's telling that different people have different tastes and what some like other's don't. Nothing more nothing less. No, clearly a protoss legend retiring has to be connect to something we can blame Blizzard for. It always has to be. I stubbed my toe last week and I am pretty sure it was because I was thinking about how to save SC2 from dying, so that has to be Blizzard's fault too. It is completely Blizzard's fault for creating the race to differentiate from the original style that's for sure. Everybody knows that P and T's play style have been inverted in SC2 so naturally speaking people won't enjoy it as much. Clearly its also Blizzard's fault there is mandatory military service in South Korea and that all the progamers live in gaming houses where it is super hard to have a girlfriend. Also, any injuries or family problems we might not know about because, you know, privacy, those are Blizzard's fault as well. Im amazed how ignorant people like this keep on coming and post so bullshit. on topic: Ok ok, 2 legendary players retiring doesnt mean nothing. LOL really? what about the others? How about SC2 is not enjoyed by the public? Maybe its not blizzard fault again, i guess by your logic those people just doesnt have taste for the good RTS games and doesnt understand true esports. By the way do you know which country made the esports - Korea hahahaha Do you know sc2 popularity is much below amateur BW in Korea right now? One might say, Koreans are used to the more complicated games, yes? No. League of legends surpassed greatly SC2 by popularity, and if you dont know this game is very simple unlike sc2. So then where is the problem? Anybody have thinked about sc2 is just not entertaining or just bad? That the way SC2 is continuing to be strong outside of Korea are only the money that big companies throw in, about huge ass tournaments and such? Now you have reasons to think and i guess not to write such bullshit next time. I guess you can call common sense BS, if that does not reflect your idea of SC2 sucking. Yes, they were legendary players in Brood War, and have a large following. But them retiring citing lack of passion for SC2 only means that they did not like SC2, and it is understandable, since they were forced to play it against their own like. SC2 is not enjoyed by public? Well, name me a high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is enjoyed by public. Brood War? Miss, most of it's fans almost never touched 1v1. Koreans are not used to more complicate games. THey are used to free-to-play games and there is nothing bad in that. Comparing LoL to SC2... is plain wrong and everyone knows reasons for it. Sc2 is entertaining for me, except for PvT (yes, only 1 match up out of 6). Also, SC2 is not strong outside of Korea on the back of money the big companies throw in, since big companies are not that stupid to throw money to not get exposure. They surely get it, if they keep doing it. Havent you read my last post? To name you high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is ejnoyed by the public, i already did it, but let me try again, amateur SC BW is way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now, ok? When talking about esports popularity in korea i dont see the wrong in comparing all of them to see the difference, for example when official BW was around it was doing great. And for throwing money by the big companies. I have never said they dont get it back, did i? Reason is that everyone wants to play in big tournaments for big money and nothing more. Difference in Korea was the thrilling passion about the game, which has gone with the switch and we see the aftermath. Aside from the topic I see this as another example of the higher morale of the asian nations. Brave enough to not do something that you dont want, because they can easily continue with their sure job and just stick there as they are getting paid right? Bows to all and mostly to Jangbi! I have no clue how BW and SC2 relate in popularity, since it is impossible to get a statistic of active BW players. Also, you will not believe, but aside from Passion, SC: BW in Korea was supported by a pretty good amount of money, because interest->sponsors->money->moar interest. Also, if Bisu and Jangbi were brave enough, they would retire year ago. They were brave enough to actually try and enjoy (or they had a nice salary, and got a cut on it this year, i won't ever know) SC2, and i give 'em props for that. Fish server has 24k+ active players at any one time if my recent watching of snipealot is correct; probably means there's 50k+ unique users/day. Still quite a few players, how much more would fan counts be? As for sponsorship support, see SSL 8; Mike Morhaime basically had to tell Blizzard Korea to not charge Sonic the broadcast license for BW even if the tournament had over 5k USD in total prize pool. Do you see Valve asking for a license fee for tournies over 5k, and shutting them down if they didn't pay up? Same thing with Riot.
24+k active players? Darn, that's indeed pretty darn popular.
Also, since only tournament i watched in this Steam promotion of a game was TI3, i have no clue about what Valve would do. Same with Riot. Fair points, good to know though.
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On September 10 2013 01:23 _Animus_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 00:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 00:40 _Animus_ wrote:On September 09 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 23:10 Xiphos wrote:On September 09 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 22:38 Sejanus wrote:
I'm curious to hear what dear David has to say to that. Two protoss broodwar legends unable to enjoy sc2, and unable to perform as well as they should have, is telling quite a bit about the race's design in sc2.
It's telling that different people have different tastes and what some like other's don't. Nothing more nothing less. No, clearly a protoss legend retiring has to be connect to something we can blame Blizzard for. It always has to be. I stubbed my toe last week and I am pretty sure it was because I was thinking about how to save SC2 from dying, so that has to be Blizzard's fault too. It is completely Blizzard's fault for creating the race to differentiate from the original style that's for sure. Everybody knows that P and T's play style have been inverted in SC2 so naturally speaking people won't enjoy it as much. Clearly its also Blizzard's fault there is mandatory military service in South Korea and that all the progamers live in gaming houses where it is super hard to have a girlfriend. Also, any injuries or family problems we might not know about because, you know, privacy, those are Blizzard's fault as well. Im amazed how ignorant people like this keep on coming and post so bullshit. on topic: Ok ok, 2 legendary players retiring doesnt mean nothing. LOL really? what about the others? How about SC2 is not enjoyed by the public? Maybe its not blizzard fault again, i guess by your logic those people just doesnt have taste for the good RTS games and doesnt understand true esports. By the way do you know which country made the esports - Korea hahahaha Do you know sc2 popularity is much below amateur BW in Korea right now? One might say, Koreans are used to the more complicated games, yes? No. League of legends surpassed greatly SC2 by popularity, and if you dont know this game is very simple unlike sc2. So then where is the problem? Anybody have thinked about sc2 is just not entertaining or just bad? That the way SC2 is continuing to be strong outside of Korea are only the money that big companies throw in, about huge ass tournaments and such? Now you have reasons to think and i guess not to write such bullshit next time. I guess you can call common sense BS, if that does not reflect your idea of SC2 sucking. Yes, they were legendary players in Brood War, and have a large following. But them retiring citing lack of passion for SC2 only means that they did not like SC2, and it is understandable, since they were forced to play it against their own like. SC2 is not enjoyed by public? Well, name me a high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is enjoyed by public. Brood War? Miss, most of it's fans almost never touched 1v1. Koreans are not used to more complicate games. THey are used to free-to-play games and there is nothing bad in that. Comparing LoL to SC2... is plain wrong and everyone knows reasons for it. Sc2 is entertaining for me, except for PvT (yes, only 1 match up out of 6). Also, SC2 is not strong outside of Korea on the back of money the big companies throw in, since big companies are not that stupid to throw money to not get exposure. They surely get it, if they keep doing it. Havent you read my last post? To name you high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is ejnoyed by the public, i already did it, but let me try again, amateur SC BW is way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now, ok? When talking about esports popularity in korea i dont see the wrong in comparing all of them to see the difference, for example when official BW was around it was doing great. And for throwing money by the big companies. I have never said they dont get it back, did i? Reason is that everyone wants to play in big tournaments for big money and nothing more. Difference in Korea was the thrilling passion about the game, which has gone with the switch and we see the aftermath. Aside from the topic I see this as another example of the higher morale of the asian nations. Brave enough to follow your heart and not do something that you dont want, because they can easily continue with their sure job and just stick there as they are getting paid right? Bows to all and mostly to Jangbi!
Games are popular when lot's of people play them, can't use that metric to judge a game quality perception.
BW was and still is popular in Korea because it runs on low end machines at home and pc cafes and it's easy (very) to pirate with online capability.
Now take all that user base and estimate how many would be able to run SC2 or even buy the game+expansion for that matter.
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On September 10 2013 02:02 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 01:40 MiQ wrote:
Dreaded that day. Reasons to watch SC2 just diminish a bit more everyday. When is the last time Bisu even played a televised match of SC2? He wasn't even sent out very often in Proleague.
He was played in both play-off matches for SKT T1. Granted he went 0-2 with nexus first against 3 gate push in PvP and in game against Innovation (can't blame him for either).
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On September 10 2013 02:02 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 01:56 Ciryandor wrote:On September 10 2013 01:29 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 01:23 _Animus_ wrote:On September 10 2013 00:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 10 2013 00:40 _Animus_ wrote:On September 09 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 23:10 Xiphos wrote:On September 09 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:On September 09 2013 22:38 Sejanus wrote:
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It's telling that different people have different tastes and what some like other's don't. Nothing more nothing less. No, clearly a protoss legend retiring has to be connect to something we can blame Blizzard for. It always has to be. I stubbed my toe last week and I am pretty sure it was because I was thinking about how to save SC2 from dying, so that has to be Blizzard's fault too. It is completely Blizzard's fault for creating the race to differentiate from the original style that's for sure. Everybody knows that P and T's play style have been inverted in SC2 so naturally speaking people won't enjoy it as much. Clearly its also Blizzard's fault there is mandatory military service in South Korea and that all the progamers live in gaming houses where it is super hard to have a girlfriend. Also, any injuries or family problems we might not know about because, you know, privacy, those are Blizzard's fault as well. Im amazed how ignorant people like this keep on coming and post so bullshit. on topic: Ok ok, 2 legendary players retiring doesnt mean nothing. LOL really? what about the others? How about SC2 is not enjoyed by the public? Maybe its not blizzard fault again, i guess by your logic those people just doesnt have taste for the good RTS games and doesnt understand true esports. By the way do you know which country made the esports - Korea hahahaha Do you know sc2 popularity is much below amateur BW in Korea right now? One might say, Koreans are used to the more complicated games, yes? No. League of legends surpassed greatly SC2 by popularity, and if you dont know this game is very simple unlike sc2. So then where is the problem? Anybody have thinked about sc2 is just not entertaining or just bad? That the way SC2 is continuing to be strong outside of Korea are only the money that big companies throw in, about huge ass tournaments and such? Now you have reasons to think and i guess not to write such bullshit next time. I guess you can call common sense BS, if that does not reflect your idea of SC2 sucking. Yes, they were legendary players in Brood War, and have a large following. But them retiring citing lack of passion for SC2 only means that they did not like SC2, and it is understandable, since they were forced to play it against their own like. SC2 is not enjoyed by public? Well, name me a high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is enjoyed by public. Brood War? Miss, most of it's fans almost never touched 1v1. Koreans are not used to more complicate games. THey are used to free-to-play games and there is nothing bad in that. Comparing LoL to SC2... is plain wrong and everyone knows reasons for it. Sc2 is entertaining for me, except for PvT (yes, only 1 match up out of 6). Also, SC2 is not strong outside of Korea on the back of money the big companies throw in, since big companies are not that stupid to throw money to not get exposure. They surely get it, if they keep doing it. Havent you read my last post? To name you high mechanical skill demanding 1v1 game that is ejnoyed by the public, i already did it, but let me try again, amateur SC BW is way more popular than SC2 in Korea right now, ok? When talking about esports popularity in korea i dont see the wrong in comparing all of them to see the difference, for example when official BW was around it was doing great. And for throwing money by the big companies. I have never said they dont get it back, did i? Reason is that everyone wants to play in big tournaments for big money and nothing more. Difference in Korea was the thrilling passion about the game, which has gone with the switch and we see the aftermath. Aside from the topic I see this as another example of the higher morale of the asian nations. Brave enough to not do something that you dont want, because they can easily continue with their sure job and just stick there as they are getting paid right? Bows to all and mostly to Jangbi! I have no clue how BW and SC2 relate in popularity, since it is impossible to get a statistic of active BW players. Also, you will not believe, but aside from Passion, SC: BW in Korea was supported by a pretty good amount of money, because interest->sponsors->money->moar interest. Also, if Bisu and Jangbi were brave enough, they would retire year ago. They were brave enough to actually try and enjoy (or they had a nice salary, and got a cut on it this year, i won't ever know) SC2, and i give 'em props for that. Fish server has 24k+ active players at any one time if my recent watching of snipealot is correct; probably means there's 50k+ unique users/day. Still quite a few players, how much more would fan counts be? As for sponsorship support, see SSL 8; Mike Morhaime basically had to tell Blizzard Korea to not charge Sonic the broadcast license for BW even if the tournament had over 5k USD in total prize pool. Do you see Valve asking for a license fee for tournies over 5k, and shutting them down if they didn't pay up? Same thing with Riot. 24+k active players? Darn, that's indeed pretty darn popular. Also, since only tournament i watched in this Steam promotion of a game was TI3, i have no clue about what Valve would do. Same with Riot. Fair points, good to know though.
Events charge to view Dota 2 events through client and get sweet drops from watching. Valve takes a cut of each sale, so they are charging to watch, even if they don't care about the twitch revenue(you can get drops by watching on Twitch too, as long as you have a ticket). Riot doesn't really have anything like that, but I don't know if anyone is running events but them.
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