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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:10 Charlie.Sheen wrote: The real bullshit is western countries make it so hard for Chinese to obtain visas. It has nothing to do with him being Chinese. It has to do with him being a minor and not having the appropriate documentation to visit Germany without a parent. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
:'( Jim one of my favorite players as well would of tuned in just for him, oh well. Onto the Maru band wagon i shall go | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:17 tili wrote: Very sad, but I hope it's a learning experience for chinese players to better understand how to get visas! what | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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Carefree
United States1571 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:00 Spectralx wrote: Region lock, and Starcraft would have 10 times less problems. All scenes would have a chance to grow. GL all, Region lock will prevent players from having visa problems to the global finals? | ||
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NewTypeBeez
United States35 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:10 Charlie.Sheen wrote: The real bullshit is western countries make it so hard for Chinese to obtain visas. Yea, you can't go around blaming players for political situations they can not control. Having an American, or European passport gives us a lot of flexibility when traveling the globe, but don't assume it is so easy for everyone to casually get things like a visa. When I moved to Russia to get my second degree, getting a visa wasn't easy. And it took me three visits to the Russian Embassy in Houston, Texas before I got everything straight and in order. Germany / European Union visa requirements are without a doubt completely different than USA requirements. There are so many little things you have to have done and if you are missing any of it, it is a quick 'denied'. If you want to stay in America and scream region lock, then fine. But at least go play the new game on Steam "Papers, Please". Maybe then you will understand how hard it is for some to get a visa. 星际争霸。 | ||
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Like a Boss
502 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:00 Spectralx wrote: Region lock, and Starcraft would have 10 times less problems. All scenes would have a chance to grow. GL all, Grow? they will mean even less compared to the korean scene than now. It will only stagnate and die off cause its a joke. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:20 stratmatt wrote: Apparently a lot of TLers think its ok that the same players not only keep taking up tournament spots in the NA region, but continue to forfeit their tournament spots due to a lack of planning. Its not 'punishment' to suspend someone for a season due to forfeiting, its enforcing the intergrity of the tournament. No, its mostly them objecting to punishing 17 year old kid for making an honest mistake when coming abroad. He does not have the assistance of an EG, TL or Kespa team to deal with these matters for him. You seem to think that punishment would somehow make Jim better or avoid these issues in the future, which is not the case. Blizzard and WCS have no control over the different visa requirements in each region or how they change based on any number of reasons. Punishing players for failing to be approved for a Visa will only harm the player and will not encourage the integrity you think it will. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:20 stratmatt wrote: Apparently a lot of TLers think its ok that the same players not only keep taking up tournament spots in the NA region, but continue to forfeit their tournament spots due to a lack of planning. Its not 'punishment' to suspend someone for a season due to forfeiting, its enforcing the intergrity of the tournament. No, a lot of TLers have a better appreciation for the realities of dealing with Governments and the weird ways they can end up working. Jim couldn't apply for a German Visa until he won a Season Finals spot, had to fly back to China to apply and the paper work just wasn't going to be completed in time. Governments don't just hop to it to fit people in. (Unless you can invest several million dollars into the country) It's simply the nature of having a top competitor from China, a country that roughly 1/2 the population would emigrant from to a first world country, if given the opportunity. | ||
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Like a Boss
502 Posts
WHY DON'T THEY LET JIM PLAY FROM THE BLIZZARD OFFICE WITH A REF IN CHINA? WHY DON'T THEY LET JIM PLAY FROM THE BLIZZARD OFFICE WITH A REF IN CHINA? StarCraft is a online game after all. User was warned for this post | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote: IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit. Well I don't think it's unfair to the beaten players. They lost and wouldn't attend anyway. I think it's more unfair to the other players competing. Either there is a by and some players don't have to win as many matches to go to the next round, or someone who is put as a replacement for Jim gets in without having qualified like the other players in the tournament. | ||
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EkiMGnaW
United States45 Posts
Maybe they (the players, managers, etc.) can apply for a visa to Country X before they know whether or not they need the visa. If the player makes the cut, the visa is ready to go. If the player doesn't make the cut, don't go. Are there negative consequences if a visa isn't used? | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:28 Plansix wrote: No, its mostly them objecting to punishing 17 year old kid for making an honest mistake when coming abroad. He does not have the assistance of an EG, TL or Kespa team to deal with these matters for him. You seem to think that punishment would somehow make Jim better or avoid these issues in the future, which is not the case. Blizzard and WCS have no control over the different visa requirements in each region or how they change based on any number of reasons. Punishing players for failing to be approved for a Visa will only harm the player and will not encourage the integrity you think it will. I think you're wrong. If he is a professional gamer, then acquiring a visa to go compete in the biggest tournament he's ever played in should be kind of a priority. There have been so many spots forfeited to visa issues lately that I think something needs to be done about it. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:32 EkiMGnaW wrote: Are there negative consequences if a visa isn't used? No. I work in finance and often have to travel for work. Part of being a responsible professional is planning ahead of time and figuring out if you need a visa to go somewhere. Players dropping out of tournaments because they forgot to apply for a visa undermines e-sports and is bad for the tournaments. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:32 EkiMGnaW wrote: How long does it take to get a visa? Is 12 days enough time? Maybe they (the players, managers, etc.) can apply for a visa to Country X before they know whether or not they need the visa. If the player makes the cut, the visa is ready to go. If the player doesn't make the cut, don't go. Are there negative consequences if a visa isn't used? All right, we are doing this again. Normally, you cannot apply for a visa if you think you “might” need it. You need to apply for a visa if you have confirmed plans to travel to that area and you need to be able to back up those plans. This does not apply to US “waiver visas” between the US and a select group of nations. But for the rest of the world, you normally need to tell them where you are going and provide proof that you are going there. Visas are a pain in the ass to get normally. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:35 DinoMight wrote: No. I work in finance and often have to travel for work. Part of being a responsible professional is planning ahead of time and figuring out if you need a visa to go somewhere. Players dropping out of tournaments because they forgot to apply for a visa undermines e-sports and is bad for the tournaments. How did applying for Visa’s go when you started your business at age 17 and you were traveling without your parents? On August 20 2013 00:33 DinoMight wrote: I think you're wrong. If he is a professional gamer, then acquiring a visa to go compete in the biggest tournament he's ever played in should be kind of a priority. There have been so many spots forfeited to visa issues lately that I think something needs to be done about it. Something was done. He forfeited his spot, he can’t play and doesn’t get prize money or WCS points. He will be able to play in the US region and finals for next season, because he has been approved for a visa in the US and is already qualified. The problem has been solved. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:00 Spectralx wrote: Region lock, and Starcraft would have 10 times less problems. All scenes would have a chance to grow. GL all, how is that? noone is going to put as much money into a scene like NA if there are no koreans participating in the trounaments the NA regional stuff would get exactly 0 views from anywhere outside the the region itself because the level of play isn't high enough and the chance for it to get higher wouldn't be there because there are no better players to practice with and at world finals Korea would still dominate everything so I don't see how that would help at all I mean look at it from another point of view: now at least scarlett the one player from the NA region that still competes in the NA region (so basically other than goswser) gets to play with the best and still go to worlds - perfect | ||
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Nyvis
France284 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:20 stratmatt wrote: Apparently a lot of TLers think its ok that the same players not only keep taking up tournament spots in the NA region, but continue to forfeit their tournament spots due to a lack of planning. Its not 'punishment' to suspend someone for a season due to forfeiting, its enforcing the intergrity of the tournament. It's not lack of planning, it's your country refusing to let him enter. Blame on your government, not on the poor guy. You can't start trying to get visa before you know you'll get to the event, or before the date is anounced. Sadly, the time frame to be sure you get a visa is longer than what you have, between the moment you know you'll go to the tournament and the tournament itself. Even as an European, getting a (non tourism) American visa is really long. What you are basically suggesting is excluding Chinese players from the WCS system. Since policies between China and the US are not likely to change, what we really need is a WCS China. Maybe with a small number of players to the world finals, maybe not since it may attract Koreans (probably less lag on the online part). That would also help sc2 grow in China. On August 20 2013 00:00 Spectralx wrote: Region lock, and Starcraft would have 10 times less problems. All scenes would have a chance to grow. GL all, There is no region lock question to be raised in this thread. Chinese play in NA because they don't have a WCS region. Well prepared Korean players have no problem getting their visas, because they are backed by American organisations and are from a country facilitating the process. (violet is an exception, when for the Chinese, it's pretty much the norm). | ||
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