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On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.
ROFL
What world do you live in bro? It's a visa issue, contrary to popular belief one can't just travel anywhere one pleases anytime one wants.
Suspend someone because he couldn't get into a country? Pure bullshit, what an awful disgusting post from you.
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On August 19 2013 23:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 23:34 Enders116 wrote:On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit. It sounds like you are suffering from first world problems, but that's just my perspective. Isnt this website mostly about 1st world problems? I mean its a videogame forum. You dont get more 1st world than this. His solution might be harsh but if the chinese's presence is a question mark for every event they get an invite for, why the invite?
Ok, but what I'm telling you is that he basically said, "Exclude all Chinese players." Initially Jim and MacSed wouldn't have made it to the WCS NA Premier league without the aid of Blizzard and NetEase. Maybe if it was for attending an LCS tournament they would have gotten in, but I doubt it. The bigger picture is that without the bolded sentence above, they wouldn't have made it.
That's like saying, "No foreigners allowed at GSL."
My own beliefs are that the world is not ready for globalized eSports. We need to select venues that are already globalized and leniant on immigration (Singapore, Hong Kong, Canada, etc.), and make these in to locales for Premier Leagues so that people can actually get to the final location with very little trouble.
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On August 19 2013 23:36 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 23:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit. Is this actually Jim's fault? Regardless, it's a pity that he had to forfeit his spot. I know the Chinese players have a pretty big following in the community. Best of luck to Alive though! he's not saying it's jim's fault There definitely needs to be a system in place for taking care of players who can't acquire visas, because it takes away opportunities from other players and makes for shitty tournament situations (walkover lottery against viOLet 2 seasons in a row). I'd prefer it be a system where they find replacements for absent players, but given the # of players someone like violet can eliminate on his way up, suspensions for multiple violations might be necessary on top of that.
It can't have any system on that replacements. Even in the Sports world, athletes also have visa issue. But for the real sports events, the organizer will give a long time for people and their team get their visa.
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On August 19 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 23:43 DinoMight wrote:
Why are there so many frickin Visa issues? Is Jim the only Chinese person trying to enter Germany?? Did they just not plan far enough ahead of time for this?
This seems like it should be such a non-issue. Maybe they should look into how this is done for conventional sports. Chinese atheletes compete everywhere all the time. Jim is under 18 years old and he needs a letters from his parents saying someone can act as his guardian while he is there. It’s a requirement in Germany and the letter must be signed by his parent and notarized. He couldn’t get it in time and cannot go because of it. Professional athletes have no problem because they have people who handle this shit for them. Jim doesn’t have that. Its just him and his coach and that is it. They are both young guys and they are learning things as they go.
Sounds like "Visa issues" then is "did not plan ahead."
I like Jim, but people need to start getting warnings / suspensions for this. So many spots being forfeited because of visa issues. It's not fair to the other players.
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On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.
Mister, you deserve a warning for this post in my opinion, seriously. Players do not know in advance if they are going to win, especially those chinese guys since they are not playing in the international scene since a long time. So, when you have to face those visa issues after you qualified, it might always happen that things are slowed down by several reasons, might it be the age as it is now, or completely different reasons.
In this case, I think the visa failed due to the short amount of time that was given between the global finals and the regional finals, especially if you think of german bureaucracy (I'm not talking about that as a cliché, I am german and I do know what I am talking about!). Your post is basically saying "Fuck the fact that there is no region lock", so please get out of my TL.net and go play in your own freakin' sandbox. As for me, I do not like that there is no region lock myself, but I still enjoy the great matches that are provided. And, by the way, where is Jim taking a spot away from your beloved NA-playing players? EG's aLive is joining in instead, and though he might not be a native american, he is still the next contender for this place. So just shut up, and if you do not enjoy koreans winning tournaments, then GTFO to another game!
Edit: to the other people that want a "warning" or some other sort of punishment for those visa issues: esports is not as professional as football or soccer. So if people do have visa issues and cannot play a tournament that they would like to attend - isn't that enough punishment already? We are still a rather small scene, and if anyone starts to punish players for those things, where are we going then? You can't do everything perfect at first try. But as long as people learn to deal with it, we are all fine. (Except Violet. He even extended his visa in AM, so I guess he won't ever get one again :D)
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On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.
This, what you suggest is a form of protectionism, which will enable more NA players to take part in the tournaments, but will reduce the quality of games played. NA scene is behind Korea as is, and you are suggesting a way to make it even less competitive. Btw, isn't it Germany that we are talking about in the first place?
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On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.
yeah cause those american players suck and cant make the cut. Jim posted for a visa over a month ago due to other people having the same thing, its not his fault governments are slow and sometimes even stupid. shut up you fanboy and learn to like players that are good
User was temp banned for this post.
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Region lock, and Starcraft would have 10 times less problems. All scenes would have a chance to grow. GL all,
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That guy's getting so much hate now LOL!
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YOu can't punish Jim, because Blizzard does not have a CHinese WCS. Violet, sure, but not Jim.
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On August 19 2013 23:57 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2013 23:43 DinoMight wrote:
Why are there so many frickin Visa issues? Is Jim the only Chinese person trying to enter Germany?? Did they just not plan far enough ahead of time for this?
This seems like it should be such a non-issue. Maybe they should look into how this is done for conventional sports. Chinese atheletes compete everywhere all the time. Jim is under 18 years old and he needs a letters from his parents saying someone can act as his guardian while he is there. It’s a requirement in Germany and the letter must be signed by his parent and notarized. He couldn’t get it in time and cannot go because of it. Professional athletes have no problem because they have people who handle this shit for them. Jim doesn’t have that. Its just him and his coach and that is it. They are both young guys and they are learning things as they go. Sounds like "Visa issues" then is "did not plan ahead." I like Jim, but people need to start getting warnings / suspensions for this. So many spots being forfeited because of visa issues. It's not fair to the other players.
He is 17 years old and this might be the longest trip he has been out of the country for. I don’t think he reads German, so he would likely have needed to ask the German Embassy directly before he left China. I am willing to give a 17 year old kid a break, since he is already missing out on competing in the WCS season 2 world finals.
People are being way to harsh on the people with Visa issues. Sometimes they cannot be helped and most of the time they are honest mistakes. It sucks, but suspensions is not a solution to the problem when you can’t apply for most Visas in advance. There needs to be a fair system to replace them if they have visa problems, but no punishment is necessary.
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On August 19 2013 23:57 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2013 23:43 DinoMight wrote:
Why are there so many frickin Visa issues? Is Jim the only Chinese person trying to enter Germany?? Did they just not plan far enough ahead of time for this?
This seems like it should be such a non-issue. Maybe they should look into how this is done for conventional sports. Chinese atheletes compete everywhere all the time. Jim is under 18 years old and he needs a letters from his parents saying someone can act as his guardian while he is there. It’s a requirement in Germany and the letter must be signed by his parent and notarized. He couldn’t get it in time and cannot go because of it. Professional athletes have no problem because they have people who handle this shit for them. Jim doesn’t have that. Its just him and his coach and that is it. They are both young guys and they are learning things as they go. Sounds like "Visa issues" then is "did not plan ahead." I like Jim, but people need to start getting warnings / suspensions for this. So many spots being forfeited because of visa issues. It's not fair to the other players.
It is fair for everyone, you are already be beaten by someone, if you good, take out jim, take out violet, you can't! you can't beat these player and you still want your spots?
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On August 20 2013 00:01 Enders116 wrote:
That guy's getting so much hate now LOL!
Maybe this guy just want a wcg american, pure american.
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On August 20 2013 00:00 Spectralx wrote:
Region lock, and Starcraft would have 10 times less problems. All scenes would have a chance to grow. GL all,
That is something to discuss for next year's WCS. Idra brought it up on Meta recently.
But let's focus on now. Share our thoughts, not detrimental posts.
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I think there should have been a 3 way playoff for the spot of simply no replacement.
500 WCS points for free go to Alive. At least controversial. Why not MacSed?
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Man this sucks, poor Jim.
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Germany, you suck. I dont get it! Jim : (
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On August 19 2013 23:32 stratmatt wrote:
IMO, anyone with a history of forfeiting wcs spots due to visa issues should be suspended for a season. I don't care if its harsh, because the only thing harsher is the fact that numerous players are missing out on a chance to compete due to losing to people who cant even make it to all their matches. How many more future NA spots are going to be robbed by koreans/chinese players who cant even attend the finals or sometimes even the ro16? Such bullshit.
The real bullshit is western countries make it so hard for Chinese to obtain visas.
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At least let him play online?
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