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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:35 Aquila- wrote: Viper with full energy is ridiculous, they want to make mech better but 3 vipers can already shut down 20 spread out tanks... This. They're incredibly effective without requiring much to use. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
This way, its not a buff against mech (which is already slow) But it's a huge buff vs bioball and protoss. And viper would mix way better with ultralisks and banelings. What do you think ? | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On August 13 2013 15:59 Insoleet wrote: For the viper, what about slowing down the units under the cloud ? This way, its not a buff against mech (which is already slow) But it's a huge buff vs bioball and protoss. And viper would mix way better with ultralisks and banelings. What do you think ? Im afraid that the Viper would mix a little too well with banelings. It is already pretty tight to micro against them, if your units are slowed as well it might turrn out too hard to battle against. | ||
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 13 2013 15:59 Insoleet wrote: For the viper, what about slowing down the units under the cloud ? This way, its not a buff against mech (which is already slow) But it's a huge buff vs bioball and protoss. And viper would mix way better with ultralisks and banelings. What do you think ? That's what the infestor is for, just make those. | ||
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Dwayn
Germany949 Posts
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On August 13 2013 16:04 Whitewing wrote: That's what the infestor is for, just make those. Yes, it overlaps a bit with the viper. But zerg really need more army controll spell. Slowing units is not rooting units, so I dont think it overlaps this much. The cloud doesnt hit air, too. Fungle is more of an all-around spell, whereas cloud would be a very strong anti-ground. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I really wish Blizzard could do something about the split-map mass static defense scenarios we often see with late-game Zerg. | ||
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jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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11B
United States188 Posts
Decrease the WMs range to 3. After all, it's a mine and shouldn't have > range than units such as Roach/Hydra (w/out upgrades). It's strength should be vs. people who have lack of detection. Even with Overseers and a potential Overseer speed increase a 5 range WM still has soooooooooo much potential to damage enormous amounts of Zerg units. And that's with a single mine lol. Thoughts? | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
That way a quick mobile force will remain affect a little longer, but mech units won't instantly be turned useless. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
On August 13 2013 16:10 Incognoto wrote: I really wish Blizzard could do something about the split-map mass static defense scenarios we often see with late-game Zerg. This will never happen, because they would have to change more than just balance. | ||
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VeTerrAn1
Switzerland39 Posts
its funny. Also hard because terran is the race with the fewest players overall. so its only logic that this will be the closest vote ...looking forward to test it, hope it will work out well, if not i will also vote against, but we should test it before negate in advanceon the other hand, i guess viper with full energy is too powerful, but i feel that half of energy is suitable and will also have an good impact on the viper use, so the zerg can handle the"buffed" mech of terrans better, seems to be a good decision, otherwise if only the viper gets a buff, terran has no need to play mech in tvz, and then we have always the Marine/Mine play style ... we ll see how it works on the testmap i m very satisfied with this possible changes over all. | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
On August 13 2013 16:32 11B wrote: Seeing how lots of people think WMs dealing multiple damages to different races is bad how about keeping it simple as some others have already suggested? Decrease the WMs range to 3. After all, it's a mine and shouldn't have > range than units such as Roach/Hydra (w/out upgrades). It's strength should be vs. people who have lack of detection. Even with Overseers and a potential Overseer speed increase a 5 range WM still has soooooooooo much potential to damage enormous amounts of Zerg units. And that's with a single mine lol. Thoughts? Thing is that they already very easy to spot without detection, with such a small range you could just walk around them. You'd only be able to use them in tight chokes. The delay in attack really counters their range, if they had a shorter range they'd need to be an instant attack. Most zergs are scary good at dealing with mines whether they have detection or not, it's only when their concentration wanes that they take damage. | ||
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emanresU
Germany393 Posts
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
And I fail to see how TvZ is exciting to watch. Yeah, it's exciting... the first 10 times you see it. After that it just becomes stupid. Every single game is played out in same way. Overseer buff - might help a bit with Muta harass. Doesn't help with core issue. Fix the Widow Mine already. Put the damage cap on splash damage, reduce it's radius, whatever, just nerf it already. Upgrade merge - doesn't fix the core issues of mech. It's slow, boring and easily countered. And bio is just so much more powerful than mech in every aspect of the game. You'd have to be a masochist to consider going mech as long as bio is available. | ||
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KOtical
Germany451 Posts
On August 13 2013 15:59 Insoleet wrote: For the viper, what about slowing down the units under the cloud ? This way, its not a buff against mech (which is already slow) But it's a huge buff vs bioball and protoss. And viper would mix way better with ultralisks and banelings. What do you think ? so fungal + blinding cloud = nothing can ever escape... not a good idea imo | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On August 13 2013 15:59 Insoleet wrote: For the viper, what about slowing down the units under the cloud ? This way, its not a buff against mech (which is already slow) But it's a huge buff vs bioball and protoss. And viper would mix way better with ultralisks and banelings. What do you think ? I don't think that we should go that far. That being said, I think that Viper with full energy is overkill, half energy will be just enough, but also make Blinding Cloud affect Widow Mines! That is the main reason why Bio is so strong, because of the combination with Widow Mines. If you add the way to counter Widow Mines, it will be a lot better, and Vipers will find their use in ZvT when T goes for Bio + Mines(most of the time). And that way, we will see Terrans being more active with their Widow Mines, they won't just burrow them in the middle of the fight and leave them there, and they will have to spread them. I feel this is better solution then what they are trying to do. | ||
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