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Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
July 22 2013 11:16 GMT
#201
On July 22 2013 20:14 Plansix wrote:
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On July 22 2013 20:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
First he leaves SKT, and now EGTL

Best of luck to Park in the future... he's the man! And good luck to EGTL as well

He follows the money. The man is well paid for his coaching skills.

I think it should be clear to anyone that this is the better career choice for him. EGTL's future in PL isn't even a sure thing.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 11:19 GMT
#202
On July 22 2013 20:16 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 20:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 20:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
First he leaves SKT, and now EGTL

Best of luck to Park in the future... he's the man! And good luck to EGTL as well

He follows the money. The man is well paid for his coaching skills.

I think it should be clear to anyone that this is the better career choice for him. EGTL's future in PL isn't even a sure thing.

It coach park had stayed, it would be a sure thing. It is just a questions of how hard they are going to double down on proleague, which may not be that hard. The man cost a lot of money to employee and CJ may have offered him more than EGTL was willing or able to offer.
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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 11:25:27
July 22 2013 11:24 GMT
#203
On July 22 2013 20:14 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 20:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
First he leaves SKT, and now EGTL

Best of luck to Park in the future... he's the man! And good luck to EGTL as well

He follows the money. The man is well paid for his coaching skills.


he left skt to be with his kids (edit: actually it may just be wife. I forget if he has kids); he got "the itch" to coach again, and let's be honest, it's probably the best job he can get. He didn't leave SKT for the money.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 22 2013 11:38 GMT
#204
On July 22 2013 20:24 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 20:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 20:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
First he leaves SKT, and now EGTL

Best of luck to Park in the future... he's the man! And good luck to EGTL as well

He follows the money. The man is well paid for his coaching skills.


he left skt to be with his kids (edit: actually it may just be wife. I forget if he has kids); he got "the itch" to coach again, and let's be honest, it's probably the best job he can get. He didn't leave SKT for the money.

he said multiple times skt wanted him to do lol and he didnt want do to lol
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Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
July 22 2013 11:39 GMT
#205
Shit.. EGTL is over!
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esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
July 22 2013 12:01 GMT
#206
On July 22 2013 19:41 Plansix wrote:
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On July 22 2013 18:17 Ammanas wrote:
I would like to know, why they think Proleague is too expensive:

-they said they will keep their Korean house anyway (so paying for the house is not the problem)
-they said they also want to keep Jaedong anyway (so players are not a problem - although maybe they have too big of a roster to pay it all now?)
-the 100k deposit is returnable afaik, so they will get those money back and can use them to participate in next season

So that basically leaves us with coach salary. They even said, that coach Park was more expensive then any of the players in their lineup, including JD and Stephano. So, imo, whether they stay in SPL or leave will depend on if they can find a good coach (not coach-Park good, but good), who speaks at least a little english and is more affordable.

Incontrol says it costs a lot of keep enough players in Korea to compete(and coach park is likely part of that cost) and focus on proleague, while the amount of exposure for EG and TL is not amazing. Since EG and TL have western sponsors, that isn't shocking.

imo, the reason being that eg-tl can't get a decent/amazing amount if exposure is most likely due to the fact that they suck (quite hard, whole season), not their western sponsors.
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3750 Posts
July 22 2013 12:36 GMT
#207
On July 22 2013 11:01 Seeker wrote:
Hmmm.... The only answer I can come up with is that EG-TL decided not to participate in the next season of Proleague so Coach Park was up for hire.

Maybe he just wanted to work in a team with longer bench and complete focus on korean scene (as EG-TL is more focused on NA scene).
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3750 Posts
July 22 2013 12:39 GMT
#208
On July 22 2013 21:01 esdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 19:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 18:17 Ammanas wrote:
I would like to know, why they think Proleague is too expensive:

-they said they will keep their Korean house anyway (so paying for the house is not the problem)
-they said they also want to keep Jaedong anyway (so players are not a problem - although maybe they have too big of a roster to pay it all now?)
-the 100k deposit is returnable afaik, so they will get those money back and can use them to participate in next season

So that basically leaves us with coach salary. They even said, that coach Park was more expensive then any of the players in their lineup, including JD and Stephano. So, imo, whether they stay in SPL or leave will depend on if they can find a good coach (not coach-Park good, but good), who speaks at least a little english and is more affordable.

Incontrol says it costs a lot of keep enough players in Korea to compete(and coach park is likely part of that cost) and focus on proleague, while the amount of exposure for EG and TL is not amazing. Since EG and TL have western sponsors, that isn't shocking.

imo, the reason being that eg-tl can't get a decent/amazing amount if exposure is most likely due to the fact that they suck (quite hard, whole season), not their western sponsors.

CJ Entus wasn't really better this season. 17-25 vs 16-26. At least EG-TL was more capable of upsetting WJS
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 12:52:17
July 22 2013 12:50 GMT
#209
On July 22 2013 11:04 AgentW wrote:
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On July 22 2013 11:03 blade55555 wrote:
On July 22 2013 11:02 juicyjames wrote:
If there's no more EG-TL, will SPL be only 7 teams or will they try to lure some GSTL teams over? eSF-KeSPA trade lock ends in October.


I imagine some ESF teams are going to participate (I hope anyway).

Do any of them have the weight to throw around to make that happen? Maybe Startale with Redbull?


What do you mean by weight to make it happen? KeSPA will be the ones to invite them. They want more teams.

On July 22 2013 21:01 esdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 19:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 18:17 Ammanas wrote:
I would like to know, why they think Proleague is too expensive:

-they said they will keep their Korean house anyway (so paying for the house is not the problem)
-they said they also want to keep Jaedong anyway (so players are not a problem - although maybe they have too big of a roster to pay it all now?)
-the 100k deposit is returnable afaik, so they will get those money back and can use them to participate in next season

So that basically leaves us with coach salary. They even said, that coach Park was more expensive then any of the players in their lineup, including JD and Stephano. So, imo, whether they stay in SPL or leave will depend on if they can find a good coach (not coach-Park good, but good), who speaks at least a little english and is more affordable.

Incontrol says it costs a lot of keep enough players in Korea to compete(and coach park is likely part of that cost) and focus on proleague, while the amount of exposure for EG and TL is not amazing. Since EG and TL have western sponsors, that isn't shocking.

imo, the reason being that eg-tl can't get a decent/amazing amount if exposure is most likely due to the fact that they suck (quite hard, whole season), not their western sponsors.


EG-TL had one really bad round. That's where most of the damage was done. Other than that they were pretty competitive.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 13:02:50
July 22 2013 12:59 GMT
#210
Oh I am starting to wish TL woudn't behave so big-corporation-like with this press release. "With great appreciation [we] announce the departure..." Yeah, right. I would rather they say something like: "ok, that sucks that he leaves but we are still happy for him. GL in the future, hope you go easy on us in our next match ^^"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 13:06 GMT
#211
On July 22 2013 21:39 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 21:01 esdf wrote:
On July 22 2013 19:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 18:17 Ammanas wrote:
I would like to know, why they think Proleague is too expensive:

-they said they will keep their Korean house anyway (so paying for the house is not the problem)
-they said they also want to keep Jaedong anyway (so players are not a problem - although maybe they have too big of a roster to pay it all now?)
-the 100k deposit is returnable afaik, so they will get those money back and can use them to participate in next season

So that basically leaves us with coach salary. They even said, that coach Park was more expensive then any of the players in their lineup, including JD and Stephano. So, imo, whether they stay in SPL or leave will depend on if they can find a good coach (not coach-Park good, but good), who speaks at least a little english and is more affordable.

Incontrol says it costs a lot of keep enough players in Korea to compete(and coach park is likely part of that cost) and focus on proleague, while the amount of exposure for EG and TL is not amazing. Since EG and TL have western sponsors, that isn't shocking.

imo, the reason being that eg-tl can't get a decent/amazing amount if exposure is most likely due to the fact that they suck (quite hard, whole season), not their western sponsors.

CJ Entus wasn't really better this season. 17-25 vs 16-26. At least EG-TL was more capable of upsetting WJS

Yeah, but it's way easier to call EGTL bad and leave it at that. Researching their standings takes way to much effort.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33449 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 13:10:55
July 22 2013 13:06 GMT
#212
I got the vibe that maybe SKT shooed him out so they could hire Boxer instead or something like that

it seemed so weird to let such a successful coach go
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 13:12:14
July 22 2013 13:11 GMT
#213
On July 22 2013 22:06 Waxangel wrote:
I got the vibe that maybe SKT shooed him out so they could hire Boxer instead or something like that

it seemed so weird to let such a successful coach go

I got that impression as well, but I don't live in Korea. A team only has room for so many super star coaches before they start stepping on eachother toes.

I am sure it's a money issue. CJ may have just made an offer EGTL wasn't willing/able to match.
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3750 Posts
July 22 2013 13:16 GMT
#214
On July 22 2013 22:06 Waxangel wrote:
I got the vibe that maybe SKT shooed him out so they could hire Boxer instead or something like that

it seemed so weird to let such a successful coach go

I don't know koreans' mentality but maybe he wanted a change.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
July 22 2013 13:20 GMT
#215
On July 22 2013 22:06 Waxangel wrote:
I got the vibe that maybe SKT shooed him out so they could hire Boxer instead or something like that

it seemed so weird to let such a successful coach go


Incoming Boxer-SKY vs Park-CJ war!
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
July 22 2013 13:26 GMT
#216
Nada, Rainbow and July need to recreate Air Force Ace since they are in service and fill EG's spot. The only way we can turn this into a positive

Sad to see EG let such a positive force in their team go. JD needs to get the hell out of there soon so he can stay competitive. I highly doubt he will benefit from a teamhouse with no coach and Naniwa in it lol. Hope that Alive and Oz don't get dropped either.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 13:27:46
July 22 2013 13:26 GMT
#217
Well, SKT was always Boxer's team anyway. I still remember the day they announced it. So much hype.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
July 22 2013 13:30 GMT
#218
On July 22 2013 22:16 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 22:06 Waxangel wrote:
I got the vibe that maybe SKT shooed him out so they could hire Boxer instead or something like that

it seemed so weird to let such a successful coach go

I don't know koreans' mentality but maybe he wanted a change.

Well, not really, SKT wanted him to move to coaching their LoL team, so he left because he wanted to remain in StarCraft. They were making room for BoxeR no matter what Coach Park wanted.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
July 22 2013 13:38 GMT
#219
I feel like it would be worthwhile to keep the EG-TL team together. Hopefully the coaches under Park took notes and the players did too. But if EG-TL decided not to do it, would be kinda cool to see an ESF super star team (aka dream team) of ESF players, like a life,nestea,DRG,MVP, Byun you know.
theacox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 13:42:25
July 22 2013 13:41 GMT
#220
Maybe finally these teams will invest in the infrastructure to have a team league in the west.

It must cost a fortune to maintain a house like EG-TL has in Korea. The sponsor money (for EG-TL) is in the west, and frankly the proleague production quality for the English stream was downright awful. I bet EG is thinking of re-focusing on this SC2L that they have started. Possibly live matches in the future from soCal? I bet the C/B analysis comes back way better considering their western sponsorships.
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