EPTEG-TL: An Analysis - Page 6
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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HornyHydra
Taiwan222 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 11 2013 09:17 Neemi wrote: Now that it is mentioned.. Since Coach Park was hired: Hero won WCS NA, top 4 MLG & Dreamhack Jaedong got pretty far at MLG, second at Dreamhack, top 4 at another Dreamhack, only losing to Protoss Oz and Alive are actually pretty competitive again Revival took second in WCS NA. Taeja won HSC, top 4 in Dreamhack Snute took second in HSC & won ESET UK So while Zenio + JYP don't have many notable accomplishments outside PL since then, JYP did play well at PL and I'd say most players are actually in an upward swing or remaining pretty consistent. Even Ret and especially TLO seem to be doing better than before Park haha Anyway, I hope they try for at least one more season. There's no arguing they had a bad start but now they know what to expect. I don't see Innovation coming over to EGTL as he doesn't really seem to care for foreign tournaments, but either way, with 1 or 2 additions to the team they can actually make it far. I'm just going to hope (: You might want to thank Oh Glorious Leader for e-sports while your at it. All jokes aside, all of those things would have happened with or with out him. Just saying. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
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Muecke
Germany150 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 16 2013 10:19 Wombat_NI wrote: Not necessarily Star, I mean Oz post-Park and joining EGTL is starting to resemble the FXOz and EGTL's training environment has got to play some part there. You want to look at Oz pre-Park? He was coasting on Western teams. Give me a break. Yeah, playing in the same house with those boys would have done it regardless. It's takes time to get comfortable. Not that much weight on Park. Heck, trOt even knows how to work em, but that has little to do with him as well in the same vein as all the other teams. On July 16 2013 10:20 Muecke wrote: Conclusion: EG-TL needs better Terrans. Conclusion: it will only get better from here. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
overall, i think the proleague/gstl merger should finally happen. that would be such a tremendous boost to the whole scene..... oh, and kudos to the "flash for reference" joke, literally got me rofling. | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
And it is not a problem of Terran balance with the Proleague maps; 2 of top 3 performing players of the whole league are the Flash and INnoVation Didn't expect to find that monstrosity in an otherwise nice write-up. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
On July 16 2013 10:24 StarStruck wrote: You want to look at Oz pre-Park? He was coasting on Western teams. Give me a break. Yeah, playing in the same house with those boys would have done it regardless. It's takes time to get comfortable. Not that much weight on Park. Heck, trOt even knows how to work em, but that has little to do with him as well in the same vein as all the other teams. Conclusion: it will only get better from here. I think you're just overcompensating for the overhyping of Coach Park which is prevalent on the boards. Part of the improvement was maybe a team change for Oz especially, and also being in a house with that calibre of practice partner which would have happened sans Park, but I do feel he's had some impact as well. Don't wish to take away from the player's work either, and perhaps they would have had the same results if they were practicing independently | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Also notice how at the end of Wings of liberty, EGTL only won 2 games after the all-kill phase, those being Stephano and JYP. Shows how quickly Kespa adapted to SC2. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 16 2013 10:34 Wombat_NI wrote: I think you're just overcompensating for the overhyping of Coach Park which is prevalent on the boards. Part of the improvement was maybe a team change for Oz especially, and also being in a house with that calibre of practice partner which would have happened sans Park, but I do feel he's had some impact as well. Don't wish to take away from the player's work either, and perhaps they would have had the same results if they were practicing independently Maybe? Overcompensating? PL couldn't have gone much worse than it did. Oz and aLive joined very late and these guys have been roaming for a while man. When you aren't in game shape and playing a whole lot in a scene like Korea. It's going to take time to readjust and I'd say they were quite convincing like Revival when he first joined. Trot was already working them and certain players like Stephano didn't like the system. I'd say anytime you take players out of their comfort zone your moving in the right direction and if we want to talk stats. EG-TL were in quite a number of Ace Matches prior to Coach Park making his appearance. They had one really bad round and we could make all the excuses in the world but at the end of the day, things were only going to go up from there. It would have sorted itself out. You guys focus way too much attention on these guys and coaching staff. Way too much. As for the independently shit? What are you talking about.. it's like trot doesn't even exist your world. Glad Boxer, January etc. doesn't have to deal with this level of bullshit. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
Coaching staff get over-praised for the achievements of their charges perhaps, not just in SC but in the sporting world in general. That said there are better and worse coaches, and yeah maybe things would have evened out as you say. Why would you not pay attention to coaches in at least some capacity, unless the oft-repeated teamhouse/coach model being a contributory factor of Korean is completely fallacious? I don't think it was just Stephano who didn't like the system prior to the coaching rejig, but things I've seen to that effect could just be work of the rumour mill. | ||
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
I really hope they stay in for another season... I love watching Hero in proleague. Jaedong will stay in proleague (probably on team 8) for sure. Of course, it would be even better if GSTL merged with proleague, and we just had one league for the best players. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 16 2013 11:42 Wombat_NI wrote: It's not to say that Trot is completely incompetent, indeed tbh I see as much of EGTL's improvement as being due to getting a decent roster of Koreans on the EG end of things, comparing some of the recent lineups to some of the ones that were being sent out early it's pretty obvious why they have looked better of late. Coaching staff get over-praised for the achievements of their charges perhaps, not just in SC but in the sporting world in general. That said there are better and worse coaches, and yeah maybe things would have evened out as you say. Why would you not pay attention to coaches in at least some capacity, unless the oft-repeated teamhouse/coach model being a contributory factor of Korean is completely fallacious? I don't think it was just Stephano who didn't like the system prior to the coaching rejig, but things I've seen to that effect could just be work of the rumour mill. It had a lot to do with the roster man. Just because you hear a few players complain doesn't mean the system doesn't work. trOt has a whole wealth of knowledge and who do you think he worked with prior? Recent line-up changes? Don't get me started on that because I could pick apart of every team in the league and likewise, because you have more vocal EG-TL fans you see it way more often but people do criticize the other teams all the time. I'd put way more weight on the lack of roster and there were a lot of pick-ups during the scene. Not just the fact EG had to forge an alliance with TL, which was a great PR move at the same time. Not only that but they picked up Jaedong at the same time. So you had two credible international players plus Zenio at your disposal. Hwanni brings in trOt. Team is still pretty barren so they bring in Revival, Oz and aLive who have experience in both the Korean and foreign scenes mid-season. The more guys you have in the house the better, especially if they can communicate with one another the better. Bringing in the other Park is just the icing on the cake in reality. SKT1 BW staff reunion. munchmunch, TaeJa's absence definitely didn't help them. Then again, a lot of players were travelling a whole lot. It sucks when you only see four players on the bench at times lol. Where your practice partners at? ho ho ho ho. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
I just initially felt your post was something of a contrarian viewpoint, a counterbalance to the 'all praise to Coach Park,' whereas subsequently you have shown that not to be the case. Much of my initial thoughts on that were really in response to me perhaps misinterpreting what you had initially posted, my bad if that's the case. | ||
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BPLOL
United States55 Posts
Good to see Jaedong doing so well in the team given his terrible JvP (especially considering its so Protoss heavy in Proleague.) Thanks for sharing! | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On July 16 2013 11:44 munchmunch wrote: Taeja's absence (literally and metaphorically) throughout the season hurt them the most, I think. EG-TL would have been an entirely different team with a strong ace player. At the beginning of the season there were a number of candidates for ace, but Taeja had been great for a while, and seemed like the most likely candidate (the other strong candidates were Hero, Jaedong, and Stephano). Even if Taeja hadn't turned into a strong ace, he could have been a solid part of the lineup, someone to help get a few more wins without having to get to ace. Instead he crashed out with his wrist issue. I second this. but in addition to that, the lack of taeja also meant the lack of any good terran. therefore, the opposing teams could devote more of their practice time to zerg and protoss. thus, the lack of taeja basically also meant the lack of one out of 3 dimensions on the team, so that the opponents were better prepared for egtl than egtl for them, given equal practice time. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Pwnzer
United States617 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:03 Noocta wrote: Incontrol just said on ITG that they're thinking about not doing it because the ROI isn't that great and it's really expensive to play it. Sigh, if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
Number of maps won is pretty skewed by number of maps played You should use win percentage. | ||
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