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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 10 2013 12:34 GMT
#61
Pulling out due to poor ROI would be a bit of a cop out, wouldn't it? Did they seriously expect to make the playoffs in their first year, or strike rich? Here I was thinking it was a long term project and they were aiming to build a legacy in the Korean scene. I guess it was just a half-hearted, or an ill-thought experiment.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
July 10 2013 12:49 GMT
#62
Thanks for the analysis! I've been thinking about doing something similar for a while.

I, too, would love for EG-TL to be back for at least another season of Proleague, simply because it'd be interesting to see if Coach Park, given the chance to prepare and lead the team right from the get-go, can really make them a playoff contender. Not playing in Proleague anymore, I'm sure the team house and the coaching staff would also be on the table. If that all goes away, what will remain? All players going their merry individual ways, living at home, practicing alone, all that which will definitely take a toll on the performance of all the players. Jaedong will probably go back to a KeSPA team and be much less accessible to Western fans again. After the WCS fallout that saw foreign players and teams seemingly flee the country, the West stands to lose one of its final footholds in Korea. Is that really what we want?

And like others have already mentioned, the Unholy Alliance has helped keep a lot of people interested in an otherwise rather closed-off, at times pretty dull all-Korean tournament. If KeSPA truly cares about Western audiences, maybe this will be impetus for them to lower the league enrollment fees (for foreign teams at least) to convince ROI-minded organizations to stay. It'd be a real shame if things ended after just one attempt. But I guess I can only hope and wait, and cross my fingers, quite possibly in vain.
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Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
July 10 2013 12:54 GMT
#63
I think its worth it for them to do a 2nd season of proleague for the sake of growth of the players and keeping JD. I dont think JD will stay with EG if he doesnt continue in proleague. Also, look what playing in proleague has done for Hero's confidence. In general, the preparation and stage experience is priceless. I don't see why they even bother with Korean lineups if they dont want to compete in Korea, so I'm sure that they will do another season.
theseraph
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
July 10 2013 12:56 GMT
#64
great post- well written and detailed. i'd upvote if i could.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 10 2013 12:56 GMT
#65
All I want to know is who put you up to this? lol.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12483 Posts
July 10 2013 13:21 GMT
#66
EGTL must get more terran and try to keep JD or they are really gonna run out of viable players on the team.
snute still isn't there yet skillwise, huk and zenio are both in a huge slump.
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garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
July 10 2013 14:26 GMT
#67
Great post dude. Very interesting analysis and it's nice to see a breakdown like you showed.
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A Wild Sosd
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia421 Posts
July 10 2013 15:03 GMT
#68
Really hoping that they go again next season! EG-TL are pretty much the reason I watch pro league and they can definitely do well under coach park as they have shown at the end of this season.
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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
July 10 2013 15:10 GMT
#69
love the analysis, not sure why but the lack of Terran's surprise me
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
July 10 2013 15:17 GMT
#70
The lack of really up and coming talent in mostly TL but also EG comes apparent in this analysis. With only EG getting Xeno and TL I guess getting Snute(but that was much earlier) their team lacks in real depth. Other teams in pro league have an a team and a b team aka they have enough PLAYERS to have a b team. I hope that TL and EG start academies soon to grow and foster talent. I'm tired of EG and TL acquiring players at their prime only to see them tumble down.
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
July 10 2013 15:25 GMT
#71
On July 11 2013 00:17 KaiserKieran wrote:
The lack of really up and coming talent in mostly TL but also EG comes apparent in this analysis. With only EG getting Xeno and TL I guess getting Snute(but that was much earlier) their team lacks in real depth. Other teams in pro league have an a team and a b team aka they have enough PLAYERS to have a b team. I hope that TL and EG start academies soon to grow and foster talent. I'm tired of EG and TL acquiring players at their prime only to see them tumble down.



Well you cant expect someone to be at the top forever. What goes up must come down.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 16:20:15
July 10 2013 16:19 GMT
#72
Conclusion? Flash *zoom* AAHAAAAAAAAAAA
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Honner
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom65 Posts
July 10 2013 18:02 GMT
#73
Nice write-up, but I'm not sure 'number of wins' is a good measure. Win % would be a more interesting statistic imo for a couple of reasons:

1.) EG have more wins than TL in EG-TL, but they probably have more losses too, purely because they have a larger line-up of players who feature in Korea.

2.) Oz has probably outperformed JYP and perhaps even Jaedong on win %, but purely because he has not been on the team for the whole season he finishes lower on your 'top performer' list as he can't realistically have as many wins.

Still, interesting reading either way.
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
July 10 2013 18:20 GMT
#74
This was great. Thanks for this.

Hope Taeja can stay healthy.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 10 2013 18:22 GMT
#75
On July 11 2013 03:02 Honner wrote:
Nice write-up, but I'm not sure 'number of wins' is a good measure. Win % would be a more interesting statistic imo for a couple of reasons:

1.) EG have more wins than TL in EG-TL, but they probably have more losses too, purely because they have a larger line-up of players who feature in Korea.

2.) Oz has probably outperformed JYP and perhaps even Jaedong on win %, but purely because he has not been on the team for the whole season he finishes lower on your 'top performer' list as he can't realistically have as many wins.

Still, interesting reading either way.

Not sure how it's an interesting read if you didn't actually read it...

There are win %s all over the OP, and both of your points are explicitly answered.
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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
July 10 2013 18:24 GMT
#76
Nice analysis! I really liked seeing the all-kill vs other format on the graphs, but wish you would have gone into some analysis on it as well :D
Honner
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom65 Posts
July 10 2013 18:33 GMT
#77
On July 11 2013 03:22 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 03:02 Honner wrote:
Nice write-up, but I'm not sure 'number of wins' is a good measure. Win % would be a more interesting statistic imo for a couple of reasons:

1.) EG have more wins than TL in EG-TL, but they probably have more losses too, purely because they have a larger line-up of players who feature in Korea.

2.) Oz has probably outperformed JYP and perhaps even Jaedong on win %, but purely because he has not been on the team for the whole season he finishes lower on your 'top performer' list as he can't realistically have as many wins.

Still, interesting reading either way.

Not sure how it's an interesting read if you didn't actually read it...

There are win %s all over the OP, and both of your points are explicitly answered.


Actually I read it all, but good job getting butthurt over someone else having an opinion I guess??

I meant showing win % over time on the graphs, rather than number of wins. and I think both my points still stand.

TL has a higher win % than EG in Proleague, which is (arguably) more relevant than who won the more matches (given that EG have more players and play more matches.

Oz also outperformed JYP (not to knock JYP, I think he had a decent season also), but is only given lip-service for having a good run. It would at least be interesting to compare his wins to the other players for the period he has been on the team, which again can be shown with % (or number of wins in the same period of time or something). Just seems kind of unfair to undervalue the contribution of players who haven't been there for the whole season.

I guess I was just hoping for more details/statistics about how Oz (and Alive) performed comparatively after joining up.
NbSky
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 18:37:55
July 10 2013 18:37 GMT
#78
Don't like the way you put the graphs, the team that has more players is most likely going to have more wins, instead I think win rate should of been used opposed to number of maps won

Edit: Agree with poster above me, and I think we're both trying to say the same thing.
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tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 18:54:41
July 10 2013 18:54 GMT
#79
Sick analysis - you hit almost every variable I can easily think of.

The only thing I'd be interested in seeing is which races/teams they performed worst against and why. Map analysis might also be interesting...

i.e. did they have trouble with KeSPa protosses? Did certain teams always beat them or vice versa?

Anyhow - thanks so much for the work you put in :D
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 10 2013 19:01 GMT
#80
didnt eg just get jaedong as a loan for one season of proleague from team8? doesnt that mean he will be going back now that they have a sponsor?
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