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AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 16:13:29
June 19 2013 16:12 GMT
#141
On June 20 2013 01:10 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 01:03 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:56 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:50 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:48 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:40 Schelim wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:12 vesicular wrote:
On June 19 2013 05:22 monk wrote:

Semi competitive
Naniwa (known more for BM than skill)


The joke almost writes itself.

heh. the difference is that Naniwa was really bad at war3 and never had any memorable results, which is unfortunately far from the truth in sc2.


If I remember he was an undead player and one of the more notable undeads at that. Undead was a....very unexplored race in war3, and not many at all had success with it, especially during the later years of the scene. There was like Ted and Happy, those were basically the only 2 und players that took any high placements at tournaments during the era before SC2 launched.


This makes the fact I always struggled against my Undead friend worse :s


Not so much lol. Undead was extremely strong, it's just no one really wanted to try anything new. It was always dk/lich + fiends of some sort xD.


My friend would end up with meatwagon + necromancer and ended up with an army I couldn't kill


Now that was a strategy like no one ever used. People thought, ok elf has dryads/wisps (both of which were used vs undead standard anyways), orc has spirit walkers (also standard), undead has destroyers (standard) and human has assloads of towers, can't use it, too much dispel. I have to admit I never really tried it much after RoC so I wasn't really sure how good it was.

What did you main in war3?


I was Orc. I can see now that my problem was I never used Spirit Walkers...


BM/SH 4grunts/raiders/spirit walker for spirit link (and obviously dispel if needed), take an expo at tier 2 when undead had no way to stop it. That was the standard last I played/paid attention to the scene. Speaking of the Blade Master....*shudders*
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 19 2013 16:18 GMT
#142
On June 20 2013 01:12 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 01:10 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:03 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:56 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:50 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:48 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:40 Schelim wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:12 vesicular wrote:
On June 19 2013 05:22 monk wrote:

Semi competitive
Naniwa (known more for BM than skill)


The joke almost writes itself.

heh. the difference is that Naniwa was really bad at war3 and never had any memorable results, which is unfortunately far from the truth in sc2.


If I remember he was an undead player and one of the more notable undeads at that. Undead was a....very unexplored race in war3, and not many at all had success with it, especially during the later years of the scene. There was like Ted and Happy, those were basically the only 2 und players that took any high placements at tournaments during the era before SC2 launched.


This makes the fact I always struggled against my Undead friend worse :s


Not so much lol. Undead was extremely strong, it's just no one really wanted to try anything new. It was always dk/lich + fiends of some sort xD.


My friend would end up with meatwagon + necromancer and ended up with an army I couldn't kill


Now that was a strategy like no one ever used. People thought, ok elf has dryads/wisps (both of which were used vs undead standard anyways), orc has spirit walkers (also standard), undead has destroyers (standard) and human has assloads of towers, can't use it, too much dispel. I have to admit I never really tried it much after RoC so I wasn't really sure how good it was.

What did you main in war3?


I was Orc. I can see now that my problem was I never used Spirit Walkers...


BM/SH 4grunts/raiders/spirit walker for spirit link (and obviously dispel if needed), take an expo at tier 2 when undead had no way to stop it. That was the standard last I played/paid attention to the scene. Speaking of the Blade Master....*shudders*


Yeah, most games I won were due to Blade Master harass into two grunts then raiders

My general tactic though as the game progessed was to get Tauren, 3/3, raiders, Shamans and kodos...

I don't know whether these were actual builds though cause I didn't follow any proscene.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
stillborn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany119 Posts
June 19 2013 16:24 GMT
#143
Explanation of OP:

While you were a nostalgic nerd playing SC1 in 2010 in Europe, you were a hyped well earning professional in Korea.
The guys that were good enough to make a living off Esports played WC3 because that was the only place were you could make a living from an RTS.

AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
June 19 2013 16:26 GMT
#144
On June 20 2013 01:18 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 01:12 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:10 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:03 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:56 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:50 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:48 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:40 Schelim wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:12 vesicular wrote:
[quote]

The joke almost writes itself.

heh. the difference is that Naniwa was really bad at war3 and never had any memorable results, which is unfortunately far from the truth in sc2.


If I remember he was an undead player and one of the more notable undeads at that. Undead was a....very unexplored race in war3, and not many at all had success with it, especially during the later years of the scene. There was like Ted and Happy, those were basically the only 2 und players that took any high placements at tournaments during the era before SC2 launched.


This makes the fact I always struggled against my Undead friend worse :s


Not so much lol. Undead was extremely strong, it's just no one really wanted to try anything new. It was always dk/lich + fiends of some sort xD.


My friend would end up with meatwagon + necromancer and ended up with an army I couldn't kill


Now that was a strategy like no one ever used. People thought, ok elf has dryads/wisps (both of which were used vs undead standard anyways), orc has spirit walkers (also standard), undead has destroyers (standard) and human has assloads of towers, can't use it, too much dispel. I have to admit I never really tried it much after RoC so I wasn't really sure how good it was.

What did you main in war3?


I was Orc. I can see now that my problem was I never used Spirit Walkers...


BM/SH 4grunts/raiders/spirit walker for spirit link (and obviously dispel if needed), take an expo at tier 2 when undead had no way to stop it. That was the standard last I played/paid attention to the scene. Speaking of the Blade Master....*shudders*


Yeah, most games I won were due to Blade Master harass into two grunts then raiders

My general tactic though as the game progessed was to get Tauren, 3/3, raiders, Shamans and kodos...

I don't know whether these were actual builds though cause I didn't follow any proscene.


I can remember same games grubby pulled a strategy out like that (I think a game on Turtle Rock vs Moon maybe), though you rarely saw shaman or tauren towards the end. Bloodlusted tauren and BM is lol dps.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 19 2013 16:30 GMT
#145
On June 20 2013 01:26 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 01:18 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:12 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:10 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:03 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:56 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:50 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:48 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:40 Schelim wrote:
[quote]
heh. the difference is that Naniwa was really bad at war3 and never had any memorable results, which is unfortunately far from the truth in sc2.


If I remember he was an undead player and one of the more notable undeads at that. Undead was a....very unexplored race in war3, and not many at all had success with it, especially during the later years of the scene. There was like Ted and Happy, those were basically the only 2 und players that took any high placements at tournaments during the era before SC2 launched.


This makes the fact I always struggled against my Undead friend worse :s


Not so much lol. Undead was extremely strong, it's just no one really wanted to try anything new. It was always dk/lich + fiends of some sort xD.


My friend would end up with meatwagon + necromancer and ended up with an army I couldn't kill


Now that was a strategy like no one ever used. People thought, ok elf has dryads/wisps (both of which were used vs undead standard anyways), orc has spirit walkers (also standard), undead has destroyers (standard) and human has assloads of towers, can't use it, too much dispel. I have to admit I never really tried it much after RoC so I wasn't really sure how good it was.

What did you main in war3?


I was Orc. I can see now that my problem was I never used Spirit Walkers...


BM/SH 4grunts/raiders/spirit walker for spirit link (and obviously dispel if needed), take an expo at tier 2 when undead had no way to stop it. That was the standard last I played/paid attention to the scene. Speaking of the Blade Master....*shudders*


Yeah, most games I won were due to Blade Master harass into two grunts then raiders

My general tactic though as the game progessed was to get Tauren, 3/3, raiders, Shamans and kodos...

I don't know whether these were actual builds though cause I didn't follow any proscene.


I can remember same games grubby pulled a strategy out like that (I think a game on Turtle Rock vs Moon maybe), though you rarely saw shaman or tauren towards the end. Bloodlusted tauren and BM is lol dps.


Yeah, Bloodlust was a lot of fun! Nice to see that I wasn't too far off the mark if it got pulled off at least once or twice, knowing about spirit walkers would have been unbelievably helpful though as my friend usually went undead TT
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 19 2013 16:36 GMT
#146
So let me get this straight.

Korean progamers are good in SC2 because BW is a hard game, but Foreign progamers are good in SC2 because war3 had a big scene?

+ Show Spoiler +
Undead 4 life! Wait... that doesn't sound right...
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AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
June 19 2013 16:38 GMT
#147
On June 20 2013 01:30 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 01:26 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:18 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:12 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:10 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:03 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:56 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:50 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:48 Targe wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:
[quote]

If I remember he was an undead player and one of the more notable undeads at that. Undead was a....very unexplored race in war3, and not many at all had success with it, especially during the later years of the scene. There was like Ted and Happy, those were basically the only 2 und players that took any high placements at tournaments during the era before SC2 launched.


This makes the fact I always struggled against my Undead friend worse :s


Not so much lol. Undead was extremely strong, it's just no one really wanted to try anything new. It was always dk/lich + fiends of some sort xD.


My friend would end up with meatwagon + necromancer and ended up with an army I couldn't kill


Now that was a strategy like no one ever used. People thought, ok elf has dryads/wisps (both of which were used vs undead standard anyways), orc has spirit walkers (also standard), undead has destroyers (standard) and human has assloads of towers, can't use it, too much dispel. I have to admit I never really tried it much after RoC so I wasn't really sure how good it was.

What did you main in war3?


I was Orc. I can see now that my problem was I never used Spirit Walkers...


BM/SH 4grunts/raiders/spirit walker for spirit link (and obviously dispel if needed), take an expo at tier 2 when undead had no way to stop it. That was the standard last I played/paid attention to the scene. Speaking of the Blade Master....*shudders*


Yeah, most games I won were due to Blade Master harass into two grunts then raiders

My general tactic though as the game progessed was to get Tauren, 3/3, raiders, Shamans and kodos...

I don't know whether these were actual builds though cause I didn't follow any proscene.


I can remember same games grubby pulled a strategy out like that (I think a game on Turtle Rock vs Moon maybe), though you rarely saw shaman or tauren towards the end. Bloodlusted tauren and BM is lol dps.


Yeah, Bloodlust was a lot of fun! Nice to see that I wasn't too far off the mark if it got pulled off at least once or twice, knowing about spirit walkers would have been unbelievably helpful though as my friend usually went undead TT


Yeah you could use that vs any race really. Spirit link would spread the damage between your entire army (which is already high hp), and lvl 2 healing wave would heal it all back up + healing scrolls if you got your expo up and running. Nothing scarier than a tanky and practically infinite hp blade master ^_^
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
June 19 2013 17:39 GMT
#148
All the BW talents bled to WC3. The best foreigners in BW became the best because they stayed in the scene while others chose to play War3. Foreign War3 pros like Stephano Naniwa Thorzain Demuslim would've outplayed Idra Ret in BW if they were told to invest their time on BW under their war3 training regiment.

Same can be said about Sziky becoming the foreign BW Bonjwa. Guy didn't even make it to the TSL2 tournament. He dominates the foreign BW scene simply because the other players left.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Velatrix
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany37 Posts
June 19 2013 18:09 GMT
#149
Naniwa Sase were both warcraft 3 players
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
June 19 2013 18:20 GMT
#150
On June 20 2013 03:09 Velatrix wrote:
Naniwa Sase were both warcraft 3 players

Thank you for your input, however this was already mentioned in the OP (as well as numerous other posts) so your post doesn't really add much :-)

From the OP (emphasis added)
Some of the best Swedish players are mostly former WC3 players aswell. (Naniwa, Thorzain, SjoW, Sase)
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 19 2013 18:23 GMT
#151
On June 20 2013 02:39 ppshchik wrote:
All the BW talents bled to WC3. The best foreigners in BW became the best because they stayed in the scene while others chose to play War3. Foreign War3 pros like Stephano Naniwa Thorzain Demuslim would've outplayed Idra Ret in BW if they were told to invest their time on BW under their war3 training regiment.

Same can be said about Sziky becoming the foreign BW Bonjwa. Guy didn't even make it to the TSL2 tournament. He dominates the foreign BW scene simply because the other players left.


Well it's a bit much to say that, but obviously they would have been good at BW.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
cythaze
Profile Joined June 2011
830 Posts
June 19 2013 18:23 GMT
#152
On June 20 2013 02:39 ppshchik wrote:
All the BW talents bled to WC3. The best foreigners in BW became the best because they stayed in the scene while others chose to play War3. Foreign War3 pros like Stephano Naniwa Thorzain Demuslim would've outplayed Idra Ret in BW if they were told to invest their time on BW under their war3 training regiment.

Same can be said about Sziky becoming the foreign BW Bonjwa. Guy didn't even make it to the TSL2 tournament. He dominates the foreign BW scene simply because the other players left.


In which world are Stephano and Naniwa WC3 pros? And in which world did the european wc3 players have a training regiment anywhere close to what Idra and Ret had in korea?
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 19 2013 18:31 GMT
#153
On June 20 2013 03:23 cythaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 02:39 ppshchik wrote:
All the BW talents bled to WC3. The best foreigners in BW became the best because they stayed in the scene while others chose to play War3. Foreign War3 pros like Stephano Naniwa Thorzain Demuslim would've outplayed Idra Ret in BW if they were told to invest their time on BW under their war3 training regiment.

Same can be said about Sziky becoming the foreign BW Bonjwa. Guy didn't even make it to the TSL2 tournament. He dominates the foreign BW scene simply because the other players left.


In which world are Stephano and Naniwa WC3 pros? And in which world did the european wc3 players have a training regiment anywhere close to what Idra and Ret had in korea?


Which is why Ret and Idra are doing so much better than Naniwa and Stephano. Korean training.

Ret has played in way more GSL matches than Stephano and Idra has gone much further in the GSL than Naniwa.

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In jest of course + Show Spoiler +
although, to be honest, I'm enjoying the warcraft chats more than the War3 vs BW chats so I hope we have more of those
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Inimic
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada153 Posts
June 19 2013 18:34 GMT
#154
Please add Stephano to the list of former wc3 players
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
June 19 2013 18:39 GMT
#155
Wasn't Moon playing WC3 and SC2 when he first switched and was doing really good for someone playing 2 games simultaneously?
I'm not sure if he tried going full SC2 afterwards or not but he did just kind of stop and vanished afterwards.
Root4Root
Diavolo222
Profile Joined May 2013
Romania8 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 18:54:17
June 19 2013 18:50 GMT
#156
Wow..so many fucking memories. So many hours of Warcraft3 and everything related to warcraft.I mean I remember watching so many freaking replays and never for 1 second getting tired.And im really sad that people dont really mention MadfroG.Sure he wasnt at the freaking PEAK but the guy was a beast. I still remember his epic early matches with Moon and Tod.I was pretty bummed that he didntlike the game anymore and quit.

Even towards the end of Wc3 I was still following it very much. I was there for every stage that wc3 was in.

I love threads like these. Man and so many names that slipped my mind cause I never really though about wc3 that much for some time.Like when I saw names like Deadman and Shortround , Soju , Insomnia, Susiria. I was like holy shit I forgot those.

this thread made my made and obviously tthe power rank blog :D

le : O not to mention wcreplays . com, that was like my home, + the audio commentaries. Nowadys we just have youtube commentaries. In that time usually there werent so many but we had the wcreplays audio ones where u had to sink up with the speaker like 3...2...1.. UNPAUSE...no try again.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinion of sheep"
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 19 2013 18:51 GMT
#157
On June 20 2013 03:34 Inimic wrote:
Please add Stephano to the list of former wc3 players


I mean Stephano was long regarded as the best foreigner and still is by many.


Reading skills people.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
June 19 2013 20:59 GMT
#158
On June 20 2013 03:50 Diavolo222 wrote:
Wow..so many fucking memories. So many hours of Warcraft3 and everything related to warcraft.I mean I remember watching so many freaking replays and never for 1 second getting tired.And im really sad that people dont really mention MadfroG.Sure he wasnt at the freaking PEAK but the guy was a beast. I still remember his epic early matches with Moon and Tod.I was pretty bummed that he didntlike the game anymore and quit.

Even towards the end of Wc3 I was still following it very much. I was there for every stage that wc3 was in.

I love threads like these. Man and so many names that slipped my mind cause I never really though about wc3 that much for some time.Like when I saw names like Deadman and Shortround , Soju , Insomnia, Susiria. I was like holy shit I forgot those.

this thread made my made and obviously tthe power rank blog :D

le : O not to mention wcreplays . com, that was like my home, + the audio commentaries. Nowadys we just have youtube commentaries. In that time usually there werent so many but we had the wcreplays audio ones where u had to sink up with the speaker like 3...2...1.. UNPAUSE...no try again.


hahaha good times. It warms the soul to know wcreplays is still going too.
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 21:17:48
June 19 2013 21:17 GMT
#159
The main thing that made the WC3 scene fun was the WC3L. Best teamleague in any game ever. Nothing in SC2 has even reached its knees so far. The scene was at its peak when teams like Sk, mYm, 4k, mTw, 64AMD were duking it out weekly, with a good mix of korean and foreigners.

I kinda lost interest in the scene after Creolophus retired. I feel like after that, it was always the same 10-15 players vs each other. Orc was also way too strong with Blademaster. TeD and Th000 were fun to watch, but the magic wasn't there with the lack of patches, proper WC3L and a strong foreign scene.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
June 19 2013 21:27 GMT
#160
On June 20 2013 06:17 OKMarius wrote:
[...], it was always the same 10-15 players vs each other.

Exactly this is what i miss in sc2. Most likely all 3 months there are the other 10-15 players in the top20 worldwide best players. And see 1x monthly Parting vs Life or Innovation vs Soulkey is not enough for me.

In wc3, for several years the same 10-15 players, they played like 5x monthly each other.
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