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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
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ffrozenfish
820 Posts
On June 19 2013 04:17 eurTsItniH wrote: Hello, Me and my friend were recently trying to get a mutual friend into Starcraft 2. He said it seemed to difficult and he had no prior experience with it and that he never had played BW. We then started to discuss his previous gaming experience, and he stated that he played Warcraft 3 quite a lot. So while Warcraft 3 is not identical to Starcraft 2, it still seems like the transition is not that difficult, seeing as we started to discuss how the Warcraft 3 pros were doing in Starcraft 2. This lead to a long and interesting discussion, which brought up quite a few questions I'd like to bring up here aswell. First of all, let us look at the current foreign SC2 pros, or more so the most succesful ones. Have you guys ever noticed that most of them are actually former WC3 players? I mean Stephano was long regarded as the best foreigner and still is by many. Some of the best Swedish players are mostly former WC3 players aswell. (Naniwa, Thorzain, SjoW, Sase) Actually I will just list some names now: Lucifron Vortix Demuslim Targa Bly Kas ToD NightEnd Grubby Harstem HasuObs Socke Happy Elfi MacSed While obviously not all the listed are the top players right now, I still think it shows that in general the WC3 players seem to be the most succesful foreigners. But if we go to the Korean scene, this does not seem to be the case. When Moon switched to SC2 he was hyped so much for being the best and most succesful WC3 player, but unfortunately he never really made a name of himself in SC2. He had a good IEM run and that is about it. I think the only noteable Korean ex-WC3 players are violet and polt. So to sum it all up: How come the most succesful foreigners seem to be former WC3 players, while the former WC3 Korean players seem to have failed? Also it is odd that while the foreign BW players (Nerchio, Socke and so on) are definitely doing good, and especially in the beginning of SC2 the foreign BW players were obviously doing best, it seems that the WC3 players are just way more dominant on the foreign scene. I mean this could probably just be explained by WC3 players catching up, but I still find it strange how big difference there is between the successrate between the Korean WC3 players and the foreign wc3 players in general. And considering so many former foreign WC3 players seem to be doing very good in SC2, I can't help but think they have a different mindset. Korean WC3 players did not switch completely, most of them are still joining WC3 tournaments | ||
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MyNameIsAlex
Greece827 Posts
On June 19 2013 08:39 SnowfaLL wrote: everyone forgets about SeleCT too, but he was a beast in WC3.. and one of the best foreigner terrans today (if you consider him foreigner.. I have no idea what to consider him, but since hes lived outside of Korea for a long time now) never heard of select in wc3. What team was he in? | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On June 19 2013 09:26 MyNameIsAlex wrote: never heard of select in wc3. What team was he in? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417764¤tpage=5#100 ^ Has whatever I know. Maybe I have missed something out, but he definitely did not win any tournaments as far as I remember. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
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Dudasc
Brazil286 Posts
On June 19 2013 08:24 Piledriver wrote: Haha yeah, also remember this? Post by Deadman when he was kicked off of SK gaming. Ahhh...fun times :D oooooh that was priceless | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On June 19 2013 06:23 jinorazi wrote: couldnt it be like; "koreans are dominating bw, its hard to be a bw pro in korea or anywhere, lets try our luck with wc3" (this would apply to korean non bw pros wanting to be bw pro) so there just happens to be many wc3 pros playing sc2, and many of them fully capable of good bw pro if given the chance however since bw pro scene was so saturated with talent, it could be easier to become a wc3 pro. seems plausible. sc2 scene is still largely dominated by bw players. naturally there are more wc3 pros coming from na/eu since there wasnt a big bw scene and wc3 was bigger. tldr: in korea bw scene held talent. in eu/na, wc3 scene held talent. so naturally, thats what we see with sc2 transition. Amen man, you spoke out of my heart, SC2 is still dominated by Broodwar Pros | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
loool thanks for the memory. I remember that ownitsch is retard thread was one of the funniest shit on SK-Gaming back then | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
- Snute - No one else | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=417814 | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
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DrZogg
Germany21 Posts
thanks for the wc3 power rank monk  "Take (I just remember it being funny that he was on the same team as a player named tak3r)" haha, yes, tak3r... I remember him what was the name his 2v2 teammate?? something with an L... i was always kinda cheering for them but didnt know why :D I particularly loved watching th000 play, his playstyle was amazing and unique. I think he was also most present in the top10 of game-of-the-year-replays for several years in a row. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
He was the best EU Nightelf every year except 2007 (Creolophus). | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
MaNa, BRAT_OK, DIMAGA, TLO (TC + BW), Socke are all from Broodwar. While more top foreigners now are from Warcraft 3 - what does it mean? It simply means more top-foreign players came from Warcraft 3 to begin with, because the foreign broodwar scene wasn't that big to begin with and older than Warcraft 3. Lots of players quit and turned their back on eSports as an active player. On June 19 2013 07:25 Inimic wrote: Grubby called it, that the wc3 players would eventually dominate the scene. Stephano was a wc3 player btw And all do shit vs Koreans. Especially KeSPa who translate their training from years of Broodwar into Starcraft 2 did rise above everyone else within a few month.../ a year. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On June 19 2013 09:04 Piledriver wrote: What? FarSeer played for MYM as late as 2007 (he used to play under the nick a_headache, and he probably was at the top of his game in 2006-2007 season, when he went something ridiculous like 99-1 on the Kalimdor ladder versus top Korean players) WhO made a comeback and joined SK in 2007-2008 I think, and actually won ESWC in 2008. You can check out WhO's achievements for yourself. http://www.sk-gaming.com/player/198-WhO As for Undead, Blizzard pretty much killed the race. The only notable players were the old ones. Edit: Also Holy Check! We completely forgot about Check ! Probably the most oldest and consistent WC3 player. He was solid as a rock through most of his career, except briefly when he switched to Orc because he couldn't handle the imbaness of Orc. nah FarSeer played for mYm.Hanbit in 2005 as part of the partnership between Hanbit Stars & mYm. Beside ridiculous ladder score, his peak was MWL semis & beating countless top players in StarWars I (koth style). He moved to mouz and then NiP later iirc WhO first came back as part of the Beijing Esport Team project (alongside Fov, Sweet, Zad, Check, Myth). He only switched to SK after BeT ceased operation | ||
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
Secondly, BW is a way older game. A LOT of exceptionally talented players retired YEARS before the release of SC2. The ones that transitioned, are a very small fraction of a talent pool that we had in our scene. I know of very many great retired players that thought about trying SC2 but commiting into something as fragile and unsure as Esports is too risky at the of ~24. If you compare it to WC3 which is a younger game and thus its players were much younger on average, they don't risk too much trying to get good at SC2 at the age of ~18-20. Still, the distribution of top players in SC2 is fairly even and IMO, considering the above circumstances, it proves that BW was the more demanding and better game in general. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
Madfrog should be placed among Creolophus level. Damn he went to Korea, and dominated the ladder there, which was not done by any other foreign progamer. | ||
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-IeZaeL-
Spain327 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On June 19 2013 10:53 JP Dayne wrote: Am i the only one that thinks that playing SC2 feels more like playing WC3 than BW? You may be because I don't at all... WC3 was super slow paced and its mechanics are just completely different from SC2. In fact, SC2 have simple Starcraft mechanics but WC3 has a lot of weird shits going on like upkeep,heroes,natural creeps,mercenary and MORE!. | ||
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