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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:09 Inimic wrote: Who cares if it affects the final match? We don't want extended series at all... Speak for yourself. Extended series is great for the game IMO. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:20 c0ldfusion wrote: Speak for yourself. Extended series is great for the game IMO. ewwww, why do people think this? Every match is its own entity, carrying things over just confuses and poisons that idea. If I were to create a machine that sucked hype out of a building, it would be called extended series. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Still an interesting approach, they should just cut the extended series out of it though and it would work just as fine. In the end nothing guarantees an epic final, especially when most players excel at one or two matchups only. I am quiet sure though they will handpick the 2 brackets nicely though, so the favorites will be well spread and not be on only one side heh. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On June 18 2013 02:05 onedayclose wrote: Best of 5 Grand Finals? Who does that anymore?!?!?!? Dreamhack. But Dreamhack has the production to stop all the haters. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 18 2013 12:06 geokilla wrote: Dreamhack. But Dreamhack has the production to stop all the haters. When they aren't eliminating players with a coin flip. | ||
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Battleaxe
United States843 Posts
But Rule 5...wtf. So instead of just using two separate Bo3, or just make it a Bo5 like the finals, you give the winner's bracket player an advantage in the first bo3 by saying they only need to win 2 games to advance, but then turning around and say 'but if you lose the first 2/3, you have to then win 3/4 or 4/5', leaving them at a disadvantage. Semifinal looks like this assuming both players haven't met previously "Series 1": Winner (from WB)- win 2/3 or 66% to advance Loser (from LB)- win 2/3 or 66% to continue "Extended Series" - Winner (from WB)- win 3/4 or 75% to advance (if 2-1) OR win 4/5 or 80% to advance (if 2-0) Loser (from LB)- win 2/4 (if 2-1) or 50% to advance OR win 2/5 or 40% to advance (if 2-0) With 2 bo3 "Series 1": Winner (from WB)- win 2/3 or 66% to advance Loser (from LB)- win 2/3 or 66% to continue "Series 2": Winner (from WB)- win 2/3 or 66% to advance Loser (from LB)- win 2/3 or 66% to advance With a bo5 "Series 1": Winner (from WB)- win 3/5 or 60% to advance Loser (from LB)- win 3/5 or 60% to continue I can see why b05 doesn't work for the semi, as you're giving the WB player 1 less loss to be knocked out while giving the LB player 1 extra loss. But between 2 bo3 and what they currently have cooked up...just some strange eggs working at MLG. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25816 Posts
People are throwing out 'nobody likes this', which is patently not the case but I would wager that the majority will fall on the side of 'nay' on this one. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:26 Serpico wrote: ewwww, why do people think this? Every match is its own entity, carrying things over just confuses and poisons that idea. If I were to create a machine that sucked hype out of a building, it would be called extended series. Extended series generates hype if anything. The losing player comes back and evens the series out? Hype. The losing player comes back and wins the series? Hype. The losing player comes back but loses the series? Hatred? See the next point. The losing player loses before evening out the series? They're obviously the worse player between the two, being no different to hype regardless. Extended series is a FAIR advantage for the winning player, it's not impossible to comeback against. In the end you either watch MLG and support them or you don't, and we'll see if it's the minority complaining about this or the majority. On June 18 2013 12:40 Plansix wrote: When they aren't eliminating players with a coin flip. Dreamhack is plagued with issues but because they're not an NA corporation they don't get shit on? I can name countless things that Dreamhack could have done better. Leave extended series as it is, it's tried and tested and works. Why don't people complain about finals being a bo5 then a bo3 if the loser-bracket wins the bo5? | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
People raised good points on both sides. The most notable I recall was Nony arguing that "if the goal of the tournament is to have the highest chance possible to award victory to the best player, then extended series must be implemented." However, people raised the counterpoints that it was bad for spectators, and the majority of the people against extended series were against it because of how it could ruin the Grand Finals for spectators. Since that problem doesn't exist here, the whine is irrelevant. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 18 2013 12:54 Wombat_NI wrote: I'd be interested to see the numbers for and against this in poll format. People are throwing out 'nobody likes this', which is patently not the case but I would wager that the majority will fall on the side of 'nay' on this one. We've done this a number of times man and the poll results are always the same on this website/reddit/etc. Ask the players themselves and most of them argue against it vehemently. It's nice to see Mr. Nelson has brainwashed quite a number of folks and we're starting to see that in the comments section. In either case you won't get the Commissioner to budge because of his thick skull. At least they cannot pull this crap on the WCS so we'll just have to let them eat their cake until they come up with the next bogus ideal to be innovative when it comes to time constraints. What kind of stories will they come up next! Only time will tell! Stay tuned in. Same time; same Bat channel friend! In either case, I'm tired of giving these guys free publicity. No more! Some people don't get how it creates anti-hype and they never will. No point arguing with them because you'll just keep going in circles like good ol' Daytona 500. BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY, Let's Go Racin', boys! I like to go LEFT! On June 18 2013 13:16 dcemuser wrote: I don't understand why people create threads on this in the year 2013. We realized in flipping 2011 that the community was split 50/50 on this and that any further discussion was pointless. We debated this for like two full months of nothing but extended series. There are two ENTIRE State of the Game episodes on extended series, both featuring MLG employees. People raised good points on both sides. The most notable I recall was Nony arguing that "if the goal of the tournament is to have the highest chance possible to award victory to the best player, then extended series must be implemented." However, people raised the counterpoints that it was bad for spectators, and the majority of the people against extended series were against it because of how it could ruin the Grand Finals for spectators. Since that problem doesn't exist here, the whine is irrelevant. ... and cue the liars. It was 75% against it from this community and that was back in 2010. Regardless the polls don't matter, right Mr. Nelson? Just a tiny sample size. Let's go around the event asking everyone whether or not they like it. Let's ask all the players and the verdict is always the same. | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
MLG doesn't like straight-forward, easy to understand tournament formats.  | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 18 2013 13:02 MonkSEA wrote: Extended series generates hype if anything. The losing player comes back and evens the series out? Hype. The losing player comes back and wins the series? Hype. The losing player comes back but loses the series? Hatred? See the next point. The losing player loses before evening out the series? They're obviously the worse player between the two, being no different to hype regardless. Extended series is a FAIR advantage for the winning player, it's not impossible to comeback against. In the end you either watch MLG and support them or you don't, and we'll see if it's the minority complaining about this or the majority. Dreamhack is plagued with issues but because they're not an NA corporation they don't get shit on? I can name countless things that Dreamhack could have done better. Leave extended series as it is, it's tried and tested and works. Why don't people complain about finals being a bo5 then a bo3 if the loser-bracket wins the bo5? No it is not fair for the winning player. He already got an advantage, why does he need two? | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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Pin
United States55 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25816 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
edit: I think that something like first map choice would already be adequate; you could choose your best maps or maps where you have something special planned, which is already a big enough advantage. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25816 Posts
100% 'fairness' is not really achievable. I mean, brackets are not always created equal either, a player can get an easier run than an opponent who dropped into Loser's, if the bracket is really stacked in one half for example. | ||
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