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bananafone
Profile Joined October 2011
68 Posts
June 17 2013 13:20 GMT
#121
Why do they insist on double elimination? If the format isn't good enough for the finals why is it good enough for the rest of the tournament?

This format, while better than true double elimination, is just stupid.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 17 2013 13:24 GMT
#122
If you want to blame anyone for this blame the MLG commissioner folks. It is his baby boy after all.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 17 2013 13:30 GMT
#123
On June 17 2013 22:20 bananafone wrote:
Why do they insist on double elimination? If the format isn't good enough for the finals why is it good enough for the rest of the tournament?

This format, while better than true double elimination, is just stupid.

You want someone to fly from Korea to play when they are risking be eliminated after a single best of three? Double elimination exists to make sure the better players have the best change of making it to groups. Its not a perfect system, but no system is.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Endbringer
Profile Joined June 2010
United States111 Posts
June 17 2013 13:40 GMT
#124
Yay, the most hated rule in e-sports returns with a vengeance! Terrible decision by MLG (as if this needed to be said). Each match in a tournament should be treated like a unique event. I don't understand how any organization can be so arrogant so as to believe that a rule that is used no where else in the entire world for any sport is somehow the best way to do things at their events. Its as if they believe they are the only people on the planet doing things fairly. So stupid.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
June 17 2013 14:28 GMT
#125
On June 17 2013 16:24 habeck wrote:
I dont understand why everybody is/are crying? Its more fair for the players, if you beat him before - you have the advantage in the next match, its normal, stop crying. You just came here to complain about everything, which is stupid thing to do .

You already got an advantage, the fact you need to play less matches to win to get higher ranked in the tournament. Why do you need 2 advantages out of nowhere? The player that lost already got a disadvantage of needing to play more matches to get back to player 1 and you want to give him another one? This makes no sense whatsoever. Nowhere else is it used and that is for a dam good reason.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 14:30:26
June 17 2013 14:29 GMT
#126
On June 17 2013 22:30 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 22:20 bananafone wrote:
Why do they insist on double elimination? If the format isn't good enough for the finals why is it good enough for the rest of the tournament?

This format, while better than true double elimination, is just stupid.

You want someone to fly from Korea to play when they are risking be eliminated after a single best of three? Double elimination exists to make sure the better players have the best change of making it to groups. Its not a perfect system, but no system is.

group stage into single elimination like OSL/GSL/Dreamhack/every tournament on the planet.
Why is this so hard?
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
June 17 2013 14:42 GMT
#127
MLGG

yoloswag

hope they give wcs to nasl, what a disaster
the throws never bothered me anyway
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 17 2013 14:47 GMT
#128
On June 17 2013 23:29 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 22:30 Plansix wrote:
On June 17 2013 22:20 bananafone wrote:
Why do they insist on double elimination? If the format isn't good enough for the finals why is it good enough for the rest of the tournament?

This format, while better than true double elimination, is just stupid.

You want someone to fly from Korea to play when they are risking be eliminated after a single best of three? Double elimination exists to make sure the better players have the best change of making it to groups. Its not a perfect system, but no system is.

group stage into single elimination like OSL/GSL/Dreamhack/every tournament on the planet.
Why is this so hard?


Because none of those listed run an onsite open bracket? Dreamhack has an online qualifier and only has 64 players at the time of the event. And Dreamhack runs groups, so players get to play several BO3 before being knocked out.

GSL is not a weekend event and has a complex qualification proess. Same with OSL.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
June 17 2013 14:50 GMT
#129
It's good that it doesn't affect the finals but I don't rly see how it builds hype.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
June 17 2013 14:57 GMT
#130
Good to see MLG is learning from its mistakes?
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
bananafone
Profile Joined October 2011
68 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-17 16:34:37
June 17 2013 16:33 GMT
#131
On June 17 2013 22:30 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 22:20 bananafone wrote:
Why do they insist on double elimination? If the format isn't good enough for the finals why is it good enough for the rest of the tournament?

This format, while better than true double elimination, is just stupid.

You want someone to fly from Korea to play when they are risking be eliminated after a single best of three? Double elimination exists to make sure the better players have the best change of making it to groups. Its not a perfect system, but no system is.


Yeah i do. Those players don't fly over here to decide who is the best. They fly over here to win the prizemoney and they will do so with 6pools, 2raxes and cannon rushes if they need to. They don't give a rats ass who is the best player. The prizemoney is directly related to how well the audience is entertained, thus the most entertaining format should be chosen.

Also as you said yourself, no system is perfect and even if triple elimination was used you're still without any guarantee the best player wins. Alas, choose the most entertaining format.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 17 2013 16:34 GMT
#132
Yay

Good feature.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
June 17 2013 16:37 GMT
#133
I honestly don't care anymore. Yay for open tournament and no group stages.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
June 17 2013 16:55 GMT
#134
On June 17 2013 23:29 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 22:30 Plansix wrote:
On June 17 2013 22:20 bananafone wrote:
Why do they insist on double elimination? If the format isn't good enough for the finals why is it good enough for the rest of the tournament?

This format, while better than true double elimination, is just stupid.

You want someone to fly from Korea to play when they are risking be eliminated after a single best of three? Double elimination exists to make sure the better players have the best change of making it to groups. Its not a perfect system, but no system is.

group stage into single elimination like OSL/GSL/Dreamhack/every tournament on the planet.
Why is this so hard?


group stage is even worse in an OPEN tournament. koreans aren't flocking to anaheim for a mere $10k anyway.
The Show of a Lifetime
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
June 17 2013 17:05 GMT
#135
Best of 5 Grand Finals? Who does that anymore?!?!?!?
Roxor9999
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands771 Posts
June 17 2013 18:53 GMT
#136
On June 18 2013 02:05 onedayclose wrote:
Best of 5 Grand Finals? Who does that anymore?!?!?!?

OSL
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 17 2013 19:06 GMT
#137
On June 17 2013 22:30 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 22:20 bananafone wrote:
Why do they insist on double elimination? If the format isn't good enough for the finals why is it good enough for the rest of the tournament?

This format, while better than true double elimination, is just stupid.

You want someone to fly from Korea to play when they are risking be eliminated after a single best of three? Double elimination exists to make sure the better players have the best change of making it to groups. Its not a perfect system, but no system is.

Fine then, have a standard double elim, like most tournaments.

This isn't a double elim system, extended series is something that I've only ever seen at MLG, and isn't any more "fair" then double elim, but worse for viewers.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 18 2013 01:05 GMT
#138
On June 18 2013 03:53 Roxor9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 02:05 onedayclose wrote:
Best of 5 Grand Finals? Who does that anymore?!?!?!?

OSL


They do Bo7 now. DreamHack still does Bo5 though.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 18 2013 01:11 GMT
#139
I don't understand this decision from MLG, its incredibly idiotic.
The player coming from the lower bracket already is at a disadvantage because he needs to play more matches to win and is exposing himself wilts doing so. The player in the winner's bracket gets to rest and has a chance to study his opponent's builds, tendencies, styles etc.

I think that's already enough of an advantage, no need to also rub salt in the wound by having the player from the loser's bracket go trough two BO5s.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Inimic
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada153 Posts
June 18 2013 02:09 GMT
#140
Who cares if it affects the final match? We don't want extended series at all...
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