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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
he puts bunker with 4 marines in every of his mining base and then what happen to the hellbats? nothing similar to soulkey, he invests on spore and spine on every base before getting drones there. maybe it's about adapting but by sheer logic, i really think they should not get medivacs heal that's all | ||
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willstertben
427 Posts
please do it blizzard | ||
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WrathOfGlod
Israel14 Posts
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pmp10
3328 Posts
No nerf will do but making them 3-shoot workers. And that would require a DPS nerf of 1/3 and kill mech entirely. Blizzard messed up with mech and hellbat is the only band-aid that provides a way out. | ||
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aRRoSC2
Denmark241 Posts
On June 10 2013 01:34 Gladiator6 wrote: I think they should make it a little bit more expensive than it is now, maybe let it cost 125 minerals? It's quite hard to deal with in late game PvT also when it's included in compositions because of how cheap it is. that's like one third of a marine right? | ||
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JIJI_
United States123 Posts
i mean hell 1 chargelot and 4 lings with surround already kill 1 hellbat. given the hellbat is pretty much the only real unit terran gets in hots (mine is meh not a true attacking unit imo) it would be a shame for it to be haphazardly nerfed into extinction the way of the WoL reaper or ghost. rather see synergy with the medivac be toned down or boost be toned down instead of making the only new unit we get pretty much made useless. | ||
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Ushi
United States21 Posts
I do think for some maps where bases have irregularly high surface area for drops to enter, hellbats can definitely feel abusive. I still think hellbats are just one of the many dangerous strats that will just be countered with time and experience. I'd rather see something like cheaper sensor towers to encourage more "defensive" plays in TvT. | ||
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
On June 10 2013 04:09 Ichabod wrote: I assume you're talking about game 2. + Show Spoiler + sOs also lost his main nexus to a bio drop a couple minutes before the final attack. His decision making and army positioning weren't as good as they could have been in the final engagement. He didn't really seem to over-invest in defense (only about 1 cannon at each, a few observers in key positions), and lost fewer than 15 workers overall. I don't believe hellbats can be directly blamed for that loss, aside to mental factor of needing to defend from something that could decimate your mineral line. You´re wrong + Show Spoiler + It didn´t matter that he lost the nexus. The moment he lost the nexus when you looked at the supply tab innovation was already 30 supply ahead before the nexus died. The problem all the time, even if you defend the drops, you always lose mining time because you withdraw all the time probes. In a pro vs pro situation this comes then down to a 30 supply lead. I think innovation was even in favor in upgrades and worker when i remember right. Therefore hellbat drops in this games payed well. I mean just do the math if you withdraw a full saturated base. ~1,1 k per minute per worker everytime for lets say 5-15 (or even more) seconds. Now accumulate the time/mins lost everytime a drop happens and then how tech/supply could have been. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On June 10 2013 03:52 Greenei wrote: I just love it how Zergs and Protosses try to sneak in Hellbatnerfs and pretend to care about TvT. Just admit that you don't give a shit and are only looking for an easier time in your MU. I love how Terrans keep on telling Zergs and Protoss players on how to counter hellbat drops with roaches/stalkers and static D, but somehow similar reactions for a Terran with tanks and bunkers and turrets are out of the question due to the invesment costs and how hellbats dropped on tanks counter them, while somehow Terrans feel like same thing is OK with roaches and stalkers.  But yeah, I think hellbats are fine. They also improved TvT macrogames a lot, where we don't see 20mins of deathball circling until someone fucks up and runs into tanks or forgets to siege anymore. Though the hellbat drop openings into each other are pretty silly... | ||
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BamBam
745 Posts
On June 10 2013 04:10 Qwyn wrote: Also, I feel like people are whining about hellbat drops and neglecting the true problem with Terran, one that is going to become more and more obvious as every ZvT becomes a differently timed roach/bane allin... Well what did you think would happen when zergs only real aoe gets nerfed to shit? | ||
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12D3
United States39 Posts
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
Hellbats require the upgrade to be produced, But the upgrade can now be researched without armory. This way, you'll have to dedicate time for the factory on the techlab, Slowing down the production. and delaying the timings a bit. It wouldnt change the later game composition in its strength, but rather push it back abit. which i feel is what is needed to deal with the drops | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On June 10 2013 02:30 WeRRa wrote: God, is there a reason why you can only balance whine about how protoss is to weak against everything? The only thing wich people complain here about, is that TvT becomes more and more to this 1 unit gimmic match up. What? Can you find me a post where I 'whine' about balance rather than lay out an explanation and conclusion for why I think it's too strong? And just for the record, I've said many, many times over that I think air toss is still too strong so I don't understand your post very much. How about instead of trying to attack me look at what I said and provide a reasonable response based on evidence from pro players? If you look at every match up right now it almost completely revolves around whether the speed medivacs get in or not - regardless of the units; it's not like the problem is exclusive to TvT. Obviously the game will always revolve around drops but the question is if they're too strong or not. | ||
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CR1PPLeR
Greece14 Posts
With this change, hellbats will not be massively produced or you have to upgrade also the transformation servos for the helions in order to produce 2 at a time and transform them to hellbats. So the hellbat drop will not be so forgiving as it is now, as you have to invest either to the servos upgrade or to multiple factories with techlabs. | ||
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Nikoras
United States115 Posts
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BamBam
745 Posts
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