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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9245625113
Reaching Grandmaster League marks the pinnacle of achievement on the StarCraft II Ladder, and being able to show off that GM icon in your character profile is an accomplishment to which only the best players in each region can lay claim. Now that the highest echelons of StarCraft II ladder play have shifted over to Heart of the Swarm, we want Grandmaster League to continue to feel meaningful and relevant for players who strive to earn a seat among the top 200 in their region. For this reason, we’ve decided to make Grandmaster League available only for the latest StarCraft II expansion level. In this way, it will always be very clear who the top 200 StarCraft II players are in each region, and the league will maintain its significance as we move through future ladder seasons. This change will go into effect for the North America, Europe, Korea, and Southeast Asia Battle.net regions once 2013 Ladder Season 4 begins at 12:00 a.m. on Monday, June 10 in each region. It’s important to note that this will not be immediately reflected on the Grandmaster League section of the Battle.net website, though we will be updating it soon. Thank you, and good luck to everyone in Season 4!
Poll: First impressions of the removal of WoL GM?Approve (2463) 88% Disapprove (191) 7% Neutral-prove (133) 5% 2787 total votes Your vote: First impressions of the removal of WoL GM? (Vote): Approve
(Vote): Disapprove
(Vote): Neutral-prove
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I always laugh when I see someone who got GM in WoL during HOTS anyway...some people just play for shinies, cosmetics simply aren't my thing, but to each their own
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Hmmm not sure about this, but I'm making this post regardless.... lol
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Not even really newsworthy to be honest.
They could have quietly shut down the GM league in WoL and most of us would not have noticed.
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It's just hacker league right now anyway, good riddance.
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On June 08 2013 05:00 c0ldfusion wrote:
Not even really newsworthy to be honest.
They could have quietly shut down the GM league in WoL and most of us would not have noticed.
You know someone out there would've made a complaint thread trying to come up with rationalizations for why it should exist, even though 99% of the SC2 population sees why this is necessary. I mean, as of this time, 4 people have already disagreed.
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It was fun some people racing to get it because it was just a joke. Good to have it gone. Keep the GM tag to the GM's, blizzard!
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whoa there are still people playing WoL
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In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats …
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On June 08 2013 04:59 dehdar wrote:
Hmmm not sure about this, but I'm making this post regardless.... lol
good thing u bolded your post bro!
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On June 08 2013 05:07 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 04:59 dehdar wrote:
Hmmm not sure about this, but I'm making this post regardless.... lol good thing u bolded your post bro!
Well the original post called all GM players virgins or something.
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On June 08 2013 05:06 Kergy wrote:
whoa there are still people playing WoL
Yes. I picked up the Arma 3 alpha instead of HOTS. Budgets /meh Sooner or later, still Legacy to come.
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Katowice25012 Posts
Dang I had aspirations of being the final WoL GM and now those dreams are dashed.
Dashed I tell you.
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On June 08 2013 05:07 Biolunar wrote:
In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats …
Have you tried HotS? Because WoL IS second class in game balance, design, and player skill. I agree it sucks for people hoping to hit GM, but they had to know that the toughest competition was on the HotS ladder. And if they didn't, they do now.
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really makes no sense to keep it, people can just switch to hots after attaining GM in WoL and it looks like they're pro level when in reality theyre probably like low master
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Noo, now I'll never make GM 
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On June 08 2013 04:58 Prplppleatr wrote:
I always laugh when I see someone who got GM in WoL during HOTS anyway...some people just play for shinies, cosmetics simply aren't my thing, but to each their own
As long as people play WoL there would inevitably have been Grandmaster players, not necessarily because they were playing for "shinies" but just cos they were the best players remaining in WoL.
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Good change, although it doesn't really change anything; might just stop another way for a low masters/high dia troll to say "im gm im good"
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Thank god. It's annoying to see someone with a GM portrait and it ends up being from WoL. Especially when they player is all like "errmagerrdd, I hit gm."
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You could just have more space in your profile. But yes, GM WoL no longer needed or meaningful.
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Damn! And I have my last exam the 10th of june! I don't think I can make GM in one day in WoL before it's all done ;p
In all seriousness, this confused the crap out of me the first time i faced someone who had GM in WoL. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that SC2 postgame score showed him as masters, but my SC2gears showed him as GM, so good change! =p
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
Makes sense for Blizz to discontinue it for WoL. And for poll I just have to accidentally click disapprove... TT I APPROVE!
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Could have just made it show your highest hots league when playing hots and highest wol when playing wol. Stupid and waste of time change, should be focused on something important?
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On June 08 2013 05:20 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Thank god. It's annoying to see someone with a GM portrait and it ends up being from WoL. Especially when they player is all like "errmagerrdd, I hit gm."
And why is that an issue?
Honestly I feel blizzard is doing nothing but shunning those who still have WOL and have not moved onto HOTS. At the very least they could of found some way to make a distinction between HOTS GM and WOL GM instead of just scrapping the whole league. Rather pathetic move.
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Approve. Sometimes I click on the Liberty GrandMaster list and it's almost funny what the WoL GM ladder has degenerated too. We don't need that anymore imo.
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Wait, I we supposed to be internet offended about this? I can't tell. How outraged, disgusted and disappointed are we supposed to be?
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On June 08 2013 05:23 Msr wrote:
Could have just made it show your highest hots league when playing hots and highest wol when playing wol. Stupid and waste of time change, should be focused on something important?
turning gm off need some mouse clicks, why is it waste of time ? making it show highest league for each ones is much more complex and tons of time lmao
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Agree with this.
Unless they changed Wol GM to "semi-grandmasters" or something. All the pros are in hots so Wol GM has lost a lot of prestige. Making masters can still be considered a great accomplishment though.
Just look at sc2ranks.com to see if you're in the top 200.
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On June 08 2013 05:32 Porishan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:23 Msr wrote:
Could have just made it show your highest hots league when playing hots and highest wol when playing wol. Stupid and waste of time change, should be focused on something important? turning gm off need some mouse clicks, why is it waste of time ? making it show highest league for each ones is much more complex and tons of time lmao
It's bad because blizzard is evil, they are forcing you to buy hots, anything that doesn't pertain to what I want is a waste of time, etc.
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Finally the wol gm bragging is over. Thanks blizz
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On June 08 2013 05:07 Biolunar wrote:
In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats …
._. the game died on HotS release day. How are they asshats for discontinuing something that is not necessary to keep up with? tbh, it kind of annoyed me to see that people still went into tryhard mode and got gm on WoL JUST to look like they're good.
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And there goes any chance I might have had of making GM... not that I'd have spent any time playing WoL anyway
Good change IMO
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there was a group of fake EG players on korean server that got kr wol gm. gg them
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It sounds pretty pointless to completely remove it though? Just make the GM icon from WoL have some winged theme and all confusion should be solved, without removing the motivation to be recognized among the best of a given region.
Quite silly IMO.
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nice nice nice, tehy did need long enough
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On June 08 2013 05:24 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:20 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Thank god. It's annoying to see someone with a GM portrait and it ends up being from WoL. Especially when they player is all like "errmagerrdd, I hit gm." And why is that an issue? Honestly I feel blizzard is doing nothing but shunning those who still have WOL and have not moved onto HOTS. At the very least they could of found some way to make a distinction between HOTS GM and WOL GM instead of just scrapping the whole league. Rather pathetic move.
WoL GM means nothing, so while it's not an issue for me to just view their profile and realize it's WoL, there's still no point in having WoL GM anyway. I see it that way, and lucky for me, so does blizzard.
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
On June 08 2013 05:39 Kyuhyuck wrote:
Finally the wol gm bragging is over. Thanks blizz
People actually bragged for being GM in WoL when HotS is out???....
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On June 08 2013 05:52 shiroiusagi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:39 Kyuhyuck wrote:
Finally the wol gm bragging is over. Thanks blizz People actually bragged for being GM in WoL when HotS is out???....
You'd be surprised. I had 3 people show it off z_Z (One who couldn't afford HoTs, so I guess 2).
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Can they discontinue it for HotS too? Please?
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On June 08 2013 05:57 a176 wrote:
Can they discontinue it for HotS too? Please?
Care to elaborate?
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On June 08 2013 05:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
WoL GM means nothing
But it means you're the best at WoL, does it not?
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While they are at it they should also remove the highest achieved league from guys that got it after hots
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Aww now I have no reason to play WoL anymore when I cant be GM.
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On June 08 2013 06:00 NovaSC2 wrote:
While they are at it they should also remove the highest achieved league from guys that got it after hots
yep. It's good that the title gets it's meaning again.
I still think it's lame that people have multiple accounts in GM, making it harder for others to get in.
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On June 08 2013 06:02 Subspace wrote:My guess is the reason they remove it is to not be able to see how unbalanced their game was. http://i.imgur.com/24Txb8Y.jpg?1
Lol. WoL Zerg is ridiculous :D
HotS Zerg will be too, in time. It's the fate of this game after all.
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On June 08 2013 06:02 Subspace wrote:My guess is the reason they remove it is to not be able to see how unbalanced their game was. http://i.imgur.com/24Txb8Y.jpg?1
lol :D
Totally approve it.
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thank god. played a dude yesterday who was diamond in hots, never finished higher than platinum in wol, but his highest career finish on his profile was Grandmaster for 2013 season 2
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On June 08 2013 06:36 monkybone wrote:
blizzard killing wol just like they killed bw
1. wol deserved to die
2. bw will never die
on topic. totally fine with it
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Good change. Was dumb seeing people grind wol ladder for it or people with a 300-310 record who were a diamond player pre-hots being a GM
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On June 08 2013 05:07 Biolunar wrote:
In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats …
Because it is?
Hots is the competitive version of sc2 now, Wings is just something people play that havent bought hots yet
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On June 08 2013 05:52 shiroiusagi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:39 Kyuhyuck wrote:
Finally the wol gm bragging is over. Thanks blizz People actually bragged for being GM in WoL when HotS is out???....
Yup. They also think losing to a "Masters" in HotS is sad.
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Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. I liked the shiny GM border a lot... made me look like a saint  ) Still, i got friends that couldn't afford HOTS and would have wanted to get GM after all this time... Would have been nice just to change the outline for WOL and HOTS GM's, would have taken 5 minutes to implement it, but hey, this is also a marketing move. Not in the sence that WOL players will all rush out and get HOTS in order to get the GM achievment, as they are aware of how hard it will be to get in, but while the GM league was there, HOTS owners would have come over to still play the game in order to get it and so the ladder was more populated. As it will be from now on most likely only the WOL owners will remain, and finding a game would take ages there, so they will be forced to buy HOTS if they want to have a pleasant gaming experience...
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There is no reason to keep it up, HotS is where the best are at anyways. Definitely a good idea considering the best of the best play HotS and having a gm for the people who didn't switch for whatever reason makes little sense.
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On June 08 2013 06:46 MisterTea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:07 Biolunar wrote:
In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats … Because it is? Hots is the competitive version of sc2 now, Wings is just something people play that havent bought hots yet
Spawning seems to make me think that's not a good enough excuse anymore... although I don't know if Spawning will let you 1v1 in a league. Probably not, in which case I'm wrong, but I don't care, because taking GM away from WoL means I have no self esteem anymore.
+ Show Spoiler +Actually, nothing above has anything to do with it, my self esteem was shot down way back in Warcraft II.
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Wouldn't mind if they revoked previous WoL GMs so their profile no longer shows their highest achievement was GM if they got it after HotS came out. Diamond/low master level players are pretty misrepresented with it in their profile.
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This is really necessary. Good move!
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On June 08 2013 06:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
Wouldn't mind if they revoked previous WoL GMs so their profile no longer shows their highest achievement was GM if they got it after HotS came out. Diamond/low master level players are pretty misrepresented with it in their profile.
I'm totally support this like I also stated earlier in the thread :D
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On June 08 2013 05:03 Thalandros wrote:
It was fun some people racing to get it because it was just a joke. Good to have it gone. Keep the GM tag to the GM's, blizzard!
I don't like the change simply for the fact that if some people found it fun to get there then let them get there and keep their fantasies if thats what they want just isolate HotS information and WoL information as no one should care if you were GM in WoL if you're bronze in HotS (exaggeration, but you get the point.) They are both entirely different games and if people had fun doing it then good for them its not like it affects you or I in anyway.
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This is really trivial its just a border I say leave it some people just like to collect all the portraits icons etc. Its not like it harms the game. But whatever
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Name one good reason why anyone actually cares enough to be happy they took this out of WoL. I dont care either way whether it was still active there, but what damage does it do to you or your ego that it was active until now? Who cares if someone left over in WoL got GM. They are GM in a game with 1% of the previous player base or some other low guestimate. Why does this bother anyone? Are you unhappy you didnt get GM? Jealous? It doesnt tarnish GM at all because no one is going to confuse HotS GM with WoL. The best that can be said for those people in WoL GM is they'd have a happy few moments after they made it and that would be it. They arent dumb enough to think they are GM quality in HotS too so why does it bother so many people? Do people search for useless shit to complain about?
It caused no harm to anyone by having it there. Taking it away isnt the end of the world either but it seems like a waste of their time imo. Could have just left it to the amusement of those who were left.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Good news, no one cares about the top 200 of no one.
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On June 08 2013 07:29 mrtomjones wrote:
Name one good reason why anyone actually cares enough to be happy they took this out of WoL. I dont care either way whether it was still active there, but what damage does it do to you or your ego that it was active until now? Who cares if someone left over in WoL got GM. They are GM in a game with 1% of the previous player base or some other low guestimate. Why does this bother anyone? Are you unhappy you didnt get GM? Jealous? It doesnt tarnish GM at all because no one is going to confuse HotS GM with WoL. The best that can be said for those people in WoL GM is they'd have a happy few moments after they made it and that would be it. They arent dumb enough to think they are GM quality in HotS too so why does it bother so many people? Do people search for useless shit to complain about?
It caused no harm to anyone by having it there. Taking it away isnt the end of the world either but it seems like a waste of their time imo. Could have just left it to the amusement of those who were left.
My thoughts exactly it's just a game and if WoL still gave people some enjoyment then let them have it. Not like it really matters either way I just don't understand why its such a big deal.
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very good decision, blizzard so awesome in the last months have to complement them.
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On June 08 2013 07:38 monkybone wrote:
Why would you dilute the deeply embedded term Grandmaster league with the notion of noobs dicking around in a deserted game?
Damn, this post made me realize why I felt kind of upset about this.
Why would you dilute the deeply embedded term marriage with the notion of homosexuals? (dicking around? :D)
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I can't believe people are complaining about this. People will complain about anything apparently
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Cool....
Now if they'd make GM the true 200 best players per region that'd ´be great
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On June 08 2013 07:38 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 07:33 KillerofGods wrote:On June 08 2013 07:29 mrtomjones wrote:
Name one good reason why anyone actually cares enough to be happy they took this out of WoL. I dont care either way whether it was still active there, but what damage does it do to you or your ego that it was active until now? Who cares if someone left over in WoL got GM. They are GM in a game with 1% of the previous player base or some other low guestimate. Why does this bother anyone? Are you unhappy you didnt get GM? Jealous? It doesnt tarnish GM at all because no one is going to confuse HotS GM with WoL. The best that can be said for those people in WoL GM is they'd have a happy few moments after they made it and that would be it. They arent dumb enough to think they are GM quality in HotS too so why does it bother so many people? Do people search for useless shit to complain about?
It caused no harm to anyone by having it there. Taking it away isnt the end of the world either but it seems like a waste of their time imo. Could have just left it to the amusement of those who were left. My thoughts exactly it's just a game and if WoL still gave people some enjoyment then let them have it. Not like it really matters either way I just don't understand why its such a big deal. Why would you dilute the deeply embedded term Grandmaster league with the notion of noobs dicking around in a deserted game?
Again why does it matter? All they had to do was separate WoL and HotS statistics since no one cares about your WoL rank even before HotS as if you were diamond in WoL and now your silver in HotS no one cares about your diamond its just a picture. Also if your not good enough to be in GM then your not a real GM even if you were one in the past. (Within reason of course.)
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Obvious decision, no clue why people would be against it.
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On June 08 2013 07:29 mrtomjones wrote:
Name one good reason why anyone actually cares enough to be happy they took this out of WoL. I dont care either way whether it was still active there, but what damage does it do to you or your ego that it was active until now? Who cares if someone left over in WoL got GM. They are GM in a game with 1% of the previous player base or some other low guestimate. Why does this bother anyone? Are you unhappy you didnt get GM? Jealous? It doesnt tarnish GM at all because no one is going to confuse HotS GM with WoL. The best that can be said for those people in WoL GM is they'd have a happy few moments after they made it and that would be it. They arent dumb enough to think they are GM quality in HotS too so why does it bother so many people? Do people search for useless shit to complain about?
It caused no harm to anyone by having it there. Taking it away isnt the end of the world either but it seems like a waste of their time imo. Could have just left it to the amusement of those who were left.
I actually agree with this...
I haven't played SC2 in a very long time, more than 6 months... I don't have Hots.
I wish I remembered earlier to try to go for GM in WoL. it'd be fun.
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the only benefit I can see from this is that there "might" be less "Oh yeah? I was GM in WoL but now I'm plat in HotS because Blizzard totally messed up the game now, here's a screencap of me in GM. ggnore scrub"
Mostly kidding, and dont really care, but I wouldn't put this past some people... -_-
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On June 08 2013 08:33 Jojo131 wrote:
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the only benefit I can see from this is that there "might" be less "Oh yeah? I was GM in WoL but now I'm plat in HotS because Blizzard totally messed up the game now, here's a screencap of me in GM. ggnore scrub"
Mostly kidding, and dont really care, but I wouldn't put this past some people... -_-
That's actually exactly what most WoL GM farmers will be like.
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On June 08 2013 08:30 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 08:18 KillerofGods wrote:On June 08 2013 07:38 monkybone wrote:On June 08 2013 07:33 KillerofGods wrote:On June 08 2013 07:29 mrtomjones wrote:
Name one good reason why anyone actually cares enough to be happy they took this out of WoL. I dont care either way whether it was still active there, but what damage does it do to you or your ego that it was active until now? Who cares if someone left over in WoL got GM. They are GM in a game with 1% of the previous player base or some other low guestimate. Why does this bother anyone? Are you unhappy you didnt get GM? Jealous? It doesnt tarnish GM at all because no one is going to confuse HotS GM with WoL. The best that can be said for those people in WoL GM is they'd have a happy few moments after they made it and that would be it. They arent dumb enough to think they are GM quality in HotS too so why does it bother so many people? Do people search for useless shit to complain about?
It caused no harm to anyone by having it there. Taking it away isnt the end of the world either but it seems like a waste of their time imo. Could have just left it to the amusement of those who were left. My thoughts exactly it's just a game and if WoL still gave people some enjoyment then let them have it. Not like it really matters either way I just don't understand why its such a big deal. Why would you dilute the deeply embedded term Grandmaster league with the notion of noobs dicking around in a deserted game? Again why does it matter? All they had to do was separate WoL and HotS statistics since no one cares about your WoL rank even before HotS as if you were diamond in WoL and now your silver in HotS no one cares about your diamond its just a picture. Also if your not good enough to be in GM then your not a real GM even if you were one in the past. (Within reason of course.) I don't think you understand my point. It matters because it changes the meaning of the term.
Not really it only changes WoL GM's term and even then you could go back and see when they got it by checking their ingame profile. HotS GM is completely unaffected (which is all that matters in the end or even really current GM is all that matters.)
On June 08 2013 08:36 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 08:33 Jojo131 wrote:
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the only benefit I can see from this is that there "might" be less "Oh yeah? I was GM in WoL but now I'm plat in HotS because Blizzard totally messed up the game now, here's a screencap of me in GM. ggnore scrub"
Mostly kidding, and dont really care, but I wouldn't put this past some people... -_- That's actually exactly what most WoL GM farmers will be like.
Then you look at their ladder history and see when they got it and make fun of them. Just in case anyone can't tell I'm joking in the last line as someone PMed me thinking I was serious, and I just want to express that I meant offence in anyway whatsoever.
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Faster to just deny them the shiny badge :D
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United States97276 Posts
fuck i was going to go back and try for it eventually for fun when there was 200 or less players 
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On June 08 2013 08:44 ZenithM wrote:
Faster to just deny them the shiny badge :D
True I just don't like it when people cry their eyes out and get rewarded for it. But dividing both profiles into separate ones would achieve the same thing except it would still give the people that want to do it for fun and feed their fantasies of getting real GM. If it gives people fun then they should keep it after all its a game and people are meant to enjoy it, and it wouldn't affect anyone.
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Because the term Grandmaster is supposed to represent something of prestige- a bunch of farmers and likely hackers shouldn't have access to.
You Americans are all for the "it's a free country, let people do what they enjoy" kind of thing, but if it ruins Blizzard's impressions/vision of their GM league, you are depriving others of what they enjoy, aka the hots people who would like the Grandmaster title to mean something.
WoL can rot in hell, compared to HotS that game is trash.
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Good, now things like this can't happen.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS3lUg__9_4
In one of the videos his friend says "make sure you let destiny know, you even got top 8!".
If you can watch those videos without cringing you're beyond human.
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I completely agree with this decision.
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They could have very well closed the WoL servers actually. They could have been more dickish than just removing something that has become meaningless.
It's meaningless not because it's not the most played and competitive game atm (many other games are not as played as HotS, and they still have a ladder and k-best players :D), it's meaningless because the game is completely imbalanced and will stay that way. Being one of the best roach infestor ZvZer out there isn't something to be proud of, Blizzard is actually just doing you a favor.
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Why not just have the border not carry over to HOTS? Not that I really care, just was my first thought.
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On June 08 2013 09:32 PanN wrote:Good, now things like this can't happen. + Show Spoiler +In one of the videos his friend says "make sure you let destiny know, you even got top 8!". If you can watch those videos without cringing you're beyond human.
oh my god that was fucking hilarious
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This there is enough room for anyone who plays WoL in GM, they should have removed bronze - masters
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Dangit. Now I'll never be gm.
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I don't think people actually care about this.
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I wonder if I could have gotten GM in WoL before they did this....
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I didnt even know you could still play wol ....
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On June 08 2013 09:57 jax1492 wrote:
I didnt even know you could still play wol .... ahahahahaha
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its things like this that make me mad there is no grandmaster ffa and 2s etc, its just a game let some people have fun.
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i feel the people who are actually mad/upset with this change are the ones who went back to WoL just go get the GM icon lool.
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On June 08 2013 10:01 Velouria wrote:
its things like this that make me mad there is no grandmaster ffa and 2s etc, its just a game let some people have fun.
In this context, your idea of "fun" is to have your achievements possess some prestige, am I right? By allowing people in WoL to get grandmasters, it lowers the prestige of the HotS GM league, since there is no clear distinction between the two. So you are depriving the majority, not to mention the more important group, from having their fun.
Seems like people will complain no matter what blizzard does.
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lol was thinking of getting gm for the profile thing but im prefectly fine with this
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Bisutopia19208 Posts
Disapprove. I don't see them going back to BroodWar and removing features. WOL is a different game from HoTs and deserves all the features made available to it.
On June 08 2013 10:05 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 10:01 Velouria wrote:
its things like this that make me mad there is no grandmaster ffa and 2s etc, its just a game let some people have fun.
In this context, your idea of "fun" is to have your achievements possess some prestige, am I right? By allowing people in WoL to get grandmasters, it lowers the prestige of the HotS GM league, since there is no clear distinction between the two. So you are depriving the majority, not to mention the more important group, from having their fun. Seems like people will complain no matter what blizzard does.
Why not have a HoTs GM achievement completely seperate from the WoL GM achievement? There are better options then just removing a feature because the developers feel it is meaningless.
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On June 08 2013 10:13 BisuDagger wrote:Disapprove. I don't see them going back to BroodWar and removing features. WOL is a different game from HoTs and deserves all the features made available to it. Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 10:05 xAdra wrote:On June 08 2013 10:01 Velouria wrote:
its things like this that make me mad there is no grandmaster ffa and 2s etc, its just a game let some people have fun.
In this context, your idea of "fun" is to have your achievements possess some prestige, am I right? By allowing people in WoL to get grandmasters, it lowers the prestige of the HotS GM league, since there is no clear distinction between the two. So you are depriving the majority, not to mention the more important group, from having their fun. Seems like people will complain no matter what blizzard does. Why not have a HoTs GM achievement completely seperate from the WoL GM achievement? There are better options then just removing a feature because the developers feel it is meaningless.
You can't compare WoL and BW. What feature would they remove? SC2 and BW are truly different games, ~12 years apart to the beta. And this year number is superfluous, because the point is that HOTS is an EXPANSION of the same game... not a completely different sequel... And the circumstances are completely different..
Making a different achievement? Having WoL grandmaster still around is an affront to actual WoL past grandmasters (who now all play HOTS)
Doesn't matter if it's a separate achievement... it's false... There is not enough competition to merit a class of player called "grandmaster". There is not 200 top players who are truly top level players. It would debase the title. It's not even my or your opinion, just a fact that there is not enough competition on WoL to be able to compare the GRANDMASTER class of HOTS to the latest 200 on WoL which comprised of low masters and hackers. How are those the same? Even if they were different achievements, how is that fair to the 200 GMs in the final pre-hots season and seasons before?
EDIT: clarity
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My plan to come back to WoL in five years and reach grandmaster has been shattered, NNNOOOO
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Bisutopia19208 Posts
On June 08 2013 10:53 BreakfastBurrito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 10:13 BisuDagger wrote:Disapprove. I don't see them going back to BroodWar and removing features. WOL is a different game from HoTs and deserves all the features made available to it. On June 08 2013 10:05 xAdra wrote:On June 08 2013 10:01 Velouria wrote:
its things like this that make me mad there is no grandmaster ffa and 2s etc, its just a game let some people have fun.
In this context, your idea of "fun" is to have your achievements possess some prestige, am I right? By allowing people in WoL to get grandmasters, it lowers the prestige of the HotS GM league, since there is no clear distinction between the two. So you are depriving the majority, not to mention the more important group, from having their fun. Seems like people will complain no matter what blizzard does. Why not have a HoTs GM achievement completely seperate from the WoL GM achievement? There are better options then just removing a feature because the developers feel it is meaningless. You can't compare WoL and BW. What feature would they remove? SC2 and BW are truly different games, ~12 years apart to the beta. And this year number is superfluous, because the point is that HOTS is an EXPANSION of the same game... not a completely different sequel... And the circumstances are completely different.. Making a different achievement? Having WoL grandmaster still around is an affront to actual WoL past grandmasters (who now all play HOTS) Doesn't matter if it's a separate achievement... it's false... There is not enough competition to merit a class of player called "grandmaster". There is not 200 top players who are truly top level players. It would debase the title. It's not even my or your opinion, just a fact that there is not enough competition on WoL to be able to compare the GRANDMASTER class of HOTS to the latest 200 on WoL which comprised of low masters and hackers. How are those the same? Even if they were different achievements, how is that fair to the 200 GMs in the final pre-hots season and seasons before? EDIT: clarity
How completely wrong you are. There are people who continue to buy and play WoL. Earning Grand Master among them is still a badge of honor regardless of how much you want to trash that scene. And I don't understand why you are trying to play the "fair" card. Grow some thick skin if you are honestly offended. Everyone should have the opportunity to get GM. It a freaking ranking system not an exclusive yatch club. If you are in the top of WoL then be labeled as so. I'm sorry you find it easier and think that it is littered with hackers. Regardless of your opinion they are taking something from a game and in the end that is how simple my argument is. I don't agree with removing features from a game.
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Totally approve of this change.
getting gm in wol gives people with false sense of superiority, where terrible players actually think they are good
in hots, the case is less severe
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I think they should have done this much earlier.
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Approve. GM is supposed to be the best 200 players in your region. Those players are not people stuck in the past playing in WoL.
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Seems to make sense, I mean its pretty bad on SEA where there are only 2 people in GM for wol because of the few remaining wol players that havent switched from what is already a small server.
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On June 08 2013 09:32 PanN wrote:Good, now things like this can't happen. + Show Spoiler +In one of the videos his friend says "make sure you let destiny know, you even got top 8!". If you can watch those videos without cringing you're beyond human.
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lol. It all makes sense.
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What do people think about removing the league system in WOL altogether? This allows people of all skill levels to be randomly matched against each other.
I am assuming that the number of people still playing WOL is pretty small, so it could take ages for a Masters level player to be matched. If you allow all players to be matched against each other it could improve the overall skill of all the players and decrease waiting times.
The alternative is to let players be matched if their MMR is close enough, eg: masters and plat players can be matched but masters and silver cant be matched.
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To be honest, I didn't even realize you could still ladder in WoL, let alone be GM!
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Not sure why they need to remove it, seems unnecessary imo.
WoL is still a game and had its own ladder system, even with the imbalance status shouldn't make gm invalid.
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Good change. I played someone with the GM logo today and was super-excited, thinking that I was playing my first GM ever. Was very disappointed to find out he was WoL GM.
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I have a few days to get from plat to GM....time for some BL Infestor
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On June 08 2013 11:49 ETisME wrote:
Not sure why they need to remove it, seems unnecessary imo.
WoL is still a game and had its own ladder system, even with the imbalance status shouldn't make gm invalid.
At least the WoL ladder is still up. Other game companies would have just shut it down
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the ones who wanted to become GM in wol already did that:D a bit too late.
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i still can't make it to GM lol.. poor me.
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It was nice of blizz to leave it up for a while, but it's now irrelevant. WP Blizz.
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On June 08 2013 11:49 ETisME wrote:
Not sure why they need to remove it, seems unnecessary imo.
WoL is still a game and had its own ladder system, even with the imbalance status shouldn't make gm invalid.
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On June 08 2013 11:49 ETisME wrote:
Not sure why they need to remove it, seems unnecessary imo.
WoL is still a game and had its own ladder system, even with the imbalance status shouldn't make gm invalid.
GM is for the best players, not diamond kids playing a dead game trying to impress their friends with a gm border.
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On June 08 2013 11:49 ETisME wrote:
Not sure why they need to remove it, seems unnecessary imo.
WoL is still a game and had its own ladder system, even with the imbalance status shouldn't make gm invalid.
Because mid masters and lower players just go on WoL and play it to get GM and get a badge on their profile.
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I haven't played WoL since HotS, so it doesn't really matter to me. (Not that I would be GM anyway...)
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On June 08 2013 10:05 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 10:01 Velouria wrote:
its things like this that make me mad there is no grandmaster ffa and 2s etc, its just a game let some people have fun.
In this context, your idea of "fun" is to have your achievements possess some prestige, am I right? By allowing people in WoL to get grandmasters, it lowers the prestige of the HotS GM league, since there is no clear distinction between the two. So you are depriving the majority, not to mention the more important group, from having their fun. Seems like people will complain no matter what blizzard does.
Well this will be my last post I don't want to be spamming or anything and I don't have anything more to add but I think they should simply just divide the profile leagues between the two to make it even more obvious than it already is (you know by looking in their career history and seeing when they got GM) that would be a nice compromise.
Also to all the people laughing at the youtube videos well sure WoL GM isn't anything amazing anymore, but think of it this way what games now-a-days give you that much joy anymore? Sure its not the same as HotS GM but its not like it hurts you at all and for all the people saying it disgraces past WoL GM's
1. Its a video game (an awesome one but still a video game)
2. That's what career history is for
3. Dividing the player profile and border to what your current expansion level is at would fix this with an option to switch back and forth
4. With 3 in place this doesn't hurt you at all after all they can still go to WoL and get masters if they wanted to my way is much more efficient way of fixing things and shouldn't be too much trouble to code/change the UI. So if it doesn't hurt you at all just live and let live. (In case your wondering I am not one of the people who try to get GM for a fancy icon on my profile. I just believe in what I said before live and let live it doesn't bother you so why bother them? Unless someone being happy bothers you than you have bigger problems than that.)
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2586985/1/KillerofGods/
Only plat but you don't see me trying to get fake masters
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Well, congrats to lIlIlIlIlI and lIlIlIlIlI, our champions from EU and KOR respectively.
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On June 08 2013 05:07 Biolunar wrote:
In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats …
In case you haven't noticed, HotS > WoL in just about every way. WoL doesn't deserve a GM league when the best players are all on HotS now anyways. WoL gm has just become a giant joke of an accomplishment in the modern era and pales in comparison to acheiving HotS gm.
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On June 08 2013 15:43 Ocbs wrote:Well, congrats to lIlIlIlIlI and lIlIlIlIlI, our champions from EU and KOR respectively.
lol
It's understandable, no point in having it there anymore, I wonder how many people even play wol at this point.
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Great, but also take away the profile icons claimed by getting GM in WOL
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Seems that 110 people were still trying to get the border.
It was stupid to be able to get the gm border/career finish on a dead game with nobody remotely good actually still playing it. Too bad it took them 2 seasons to realize it as usual.
Only good thing about playing WoL is the old right click animation. WHY DID YOU CHANGE THAT BLIZZARD? The old little arrows were so much better than the new big ugly ones
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Hahahaha.. didn't see this comming lol.. Never knew that ppl still played WoL.. I mean at least not those who prefer it..
The funny thing though is - the game became balanced AS the game was FADING AWAY.. The last season the games in WoL were relatively good.. but Before that Terran were OP for almost a year and a half, and Zerg was OP for about 6 months right after that..
Good move for Blizzard though - WoL CAN work as a "training" game, but still - all the major events happen in HotS now and happy for that
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GM WoL should be replaced with another league, simply showing you are still above the current WoL masters but not a true old school WoL grandmaster.
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I think this is the right choice too, so I support this
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Being GM in WoL is irrelevant now. My one friend who has always been a good masters player made it to GM in WoL when the current season started. But of course he isn't really that good. He just made it because all the active and good players are playing HotS instead of WoL. Was good to know you WoL!
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On June 08 2013 05:00 c0ldfusion wrote:
Not even really newsworthy to be honest.
They could have quietly shut down the GM league in WoL and most of us would not have noticed.
So true^^
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Not sure why ppl that doesn't play WoL anymore still care about WoL ladder. It's like "I don't use/play it, let's kill it.." to put it simply. Yes, I don't play and care about WoL gm but that doesn't mean that I should kill the fun for the few ppl still playing it to get gm there (for bragging or w/e reasons..).
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Yea while to me this seems like a push on the WoL players to upgrade, im still ok with it. Their albeit veiled reasoning is still valid enough for me. get with the times people.
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Austria24417 Posts
Damn, I was gonna get that juicy icon!
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Good choice
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blizzard is really good...at pissing people off.
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I thought GM was already removed from WOL..... shows you what i know :-(
Anyway, its a good change.
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wait! now I can't sit in the teamliquid channel with my shiny and talk down on people?
good change though
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GOOD change People who say they cant get Gm anymore then just get it on HOTS
and for those who cant "buy" hots then just dont eat for a couple days and save 40$
or you shouldnt be focusing on starcraft in the first place and instead be focusing on getting a job that can afford you a 40$ game
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Well, since balancing is being done primarily with regards to HotS, I strongly approve.
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Fair enough, GM in WoL was meaningless anyway now HotS is out.
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Bisutopia19208 Posts
On June 08 2013 23:35 rockahn wrote:
GOOD change People who say they cant get Gm anymore then just get it on HOTS
and for those who cant "buy" hots then just dont eat for a couple days and save 40$
or you shouldnt be focusing on starcraft in the first place and instead be focusing on getting a job that can afford you a 40$ game
Obviously you have never had to live pay check to paycheck and still be in debt. For the future don't go around disrespecting people that don't have the opportunity to budget 40$. For example I was in college, paying rent, insurance, tuition, working two jobs at minimum wage, going to classes, paying a food bill, gas bill, repairs on a used car and much more just like any standard college student and there was no way I could make payments on time. And guess what, I know people coming from unfortunate families who work two-three jobs and still can't afford college because they are just trying to get by. So don't be ignorant and think that taking up a better job is that easy. And at 1am when they get home and have 3 hrs to try and spend some time having fun before going to sleep and waking up to their first job again, if they want to go ahead and focus on Starcraft as the outlet to their already tough life, who the hell are you to say they should be focusing on getting a better job when they already have 2. The world is not as easy as creating insults so maybe you should think a second before you post something like that.
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well this does not affect me but I don't get why blizzard is doing this though?
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Bosnia-Herzegovina72 Posts
Very disrespectful from blizzard.
GM simply presents top players within a certain frame, regardless of what state it is in.
Can't possibly imagine what harm keeping GM for WoL could have caused...
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Maybe Blizzard can save a couple of dollars per week for maintainance by removing GM from WoL.
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On June 09 2013 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 23:35 rockahn wrote:
GOOD change People who say they cant get Gm anymore then just get it on HOTS
and for those who cant "buy" hots then just dont eat for a couple days and save 40$
or you shouldnt be focusing on starcraft in the first place and instead be focusing on getting a job that can afford you a 40$ game Obviously you have never had to live pay check to paycheck and still be in debt. For the future don't go around disrespecting people that don't have the opportunity to budget 40$. For example I was in college, paying rent, insurance, tuition, working two jobs at minimum wage, going to classes, paying a food bill, gas bill, repairs on a used car and much more just like any standard college student and there was no way I could make payments on time. And guess what, I know people coming from unfortunate families who work two-three jobs and still can't afford college because they are just trying to get by. So don't be ignorant and think that taking up a better job is that easy. And at 1am when they get home and have 3 hrs to try and spend some time having fun before going to sleep and waking up to their first job again, if they want to go ahead and focus on Starcraft as the outlet to their already tough life, who the hell are you to say they should be focusing on getting a better job when they already have 2. The world is not as easy as creating insults so maybe you should think a second before you post something like that.
Thank you.
Also, I find removing it logical, and my reasoning agrees with it, but as I have WoL only and wanted to get that GM title my heart says NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :<<<<<<<<<
Every time I got some time to play, something got in my way, mostly the end-of-season promotion lockdown.
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Never got around to getting in GM in WOL myself, I was opposed to it at first but after seeing a f list full of GM borders I was tempted and ready to next season, unfortunate timing was starting to get excited
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On June 08 2013 05:07 Biolunar wrote:
In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats …
Dude, GM in WoL was so stupid and meaningless, it wasn't even filled. There were like 80 spots taken. If you really wanted to, you could get GM in WoL pretty easily and would not even deserve the status.
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On June 09 2013 08:23 RyLai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:07 Biolunar wrote:
In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats … Dude, GM in WoL was so stupid and meaningless, it wasn't even filled. There were like 80 spots taken. If you really wanted to, you could get GM in WoL pretty easily and would not even deserve the status.
i thought all active players got gm.. which is.... around 80 =D
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GM was so easy in WOL you could even get it on a xbox360 controller xD. I think it was a good move by blizzard.
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United States650 Posts
Honestly I do not like this even if WOL GM is extremely easy. I quit 31 weeks came back with my apm like 50% of what it was and no idea about build orders anymore. Still though went 50% vs WOL GMs but........ still I think GM should be there. I have a feeling if the next SC2 expansion does not have many ppl play it blizzard will do other things to try to force ppl to buy the newer expansions. That is why I do not like the decision... anyway pretty expected with how blizzard has been lately.
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shoudlve removed it when hots was released
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we want Grandmaster League to continue to feel meaningful and relevant for players who strive to earn a seat among the top 200 in their region.
As in: We want you to feel you need to buy Heart of the swarm, so we take away things from WoL slowly.
One thing is to add things in the expansion and not add it in the Original, but this is not nice at all.
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Seems kinda silly to even really announce this, doesn't seem like a big deal lol. Honestly not sure why people would even still play competitively on WoL for GM.
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I don't play WoL anymore but it seems like they could have made everybody happy and just called it something else from now on. People could now hit top 200 in WoL and get some kind of designation but players would know that that's not the same as GM in HotS or in pre-HotS WoL.
But they probably didn't do that mainly because it's more convenient to just cut it.
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makes complete and total sense. approve
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On June 09 2013 13:19 iloveav wrote:
we want Grandmaster League to continue to feel meaningful and relevant for players who strive to earn a seat among the top 200 in their region.
As in: We want you to feel you need to buy Heart of the swarm, so we take away things from WoL slowly.
One thing is to add things in the expansion and not add it in the Original, but this is not nice at all.
If you like WoL and care enough to get GM, then just stop whining and buy HotS.
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On June 08 2013 05:06 Kergy wrote:
whoa there are still people playing WoL
Yeah! It's just zergs, and they throw broodlord+infestors at each other each game!
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On June 09 2013 10:34 Cress wrote:
GM was so easy in WOL you could even get it on a xbox360 controller xD. I think it was a good move by blizzard.
I see what you did there!
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On June 09 2013 11:35 Powster wrote:
Honestly I do not like this even if WOL GM is extremely easy. I quit 31 weeks came back with my apm like 50% of what it was and no idea about build orders anymore. Still though went 50% vs WOL GMs but........ still I think GM should be there. I have a feeling if the next SC2 expansion does not have many ppl play it blizzard will do other things to try to force ppl to buy the newer expansions. That is why I do not like the decision... anyway pretty expected with how blizzard has been lately.
Lol, that is insane man. They aren't forcing you to do anything. You paid 60$ for WOL 3 years ago. That's a fucking bargain. 3 years of entertainment for 60 bucks. Then, they leave the servers up for you and you come here to whine. This makes no sense.
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Seems like a natural decision. I don't see anything wrong with it to be honest.
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Good choice, else grand master is kind of pointless
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Bisutopia19208 Posts
On June 09 2013 21:23 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 11:35 Powster wrote:
Honestly I do not like this even if WOL GM is extremely easy. I quit 31 weeks came back with my apm like 50% of what it was and no idea about build orders anymore. Still though went 50% vs WOL GMs but........ still I think GM should be there. I have a feeling if the next SC2 expansion does not have many ppl play it blizzard will do other things to try to force ppl to buy the newer expansions. That is why I do not like the decision... anyway pretty expected with how blizzard has been lately. Lol, that is insane man. They aren't forcing you to do anything. You paid 60$ for WOL 3 years ago. That's a fucking bargain. 3 years of entertainment for 60 bucks. Then, they leave the servers up for you and you come here to whine. This makes no sense.
Well I bought Warcraft 3 RoC a decade ago and I still play that game all the time. Guess what it still has al its features and a running server. I bought Diablo 1 over a decade ago and its servers are still running. Don't tell me I'm getting a bargain for that game when I still play 10+ year old games for the same price. The argument is illogical. And even if they decide not to support servers for the game, they could still offer offline mode. Now that'd be an awesome change for WoL and easily compensate for removing online achievements. So don't argue bargain lol especially when WoL pails in comparison to a game like D1.
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On June 08 2013 05:07 Biolunar wrote:
In my opinion a really dickish move. Now they are treating WoL as a 2nd class game which does not deserve a GM league. What a bunch of ass hats …
loltroll
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Wow. I think they could have kept the GM league for WoL because players in WoL, possibly, want to have a feel of accomplishment by achieving GM. Personally, I am neutral to this change because most of the players are switching to HotS and I think they could have kept it and not get rid of it.
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On June 09 2013 22:34 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 21:23 TRaFFiC wrote:On June 09 2013 11:35 Powster wrote:
Honestly I do not like this even if WOL GM is extremely easy. I quit 31 weeks came back with my apm like 50% of what it was and no idea about build orders anymore. Still though went 50% vs WOL GMs but........ still I think GM should be there. I have a feeling if the next SC2 expansion does not have many ppl play it blizzard will do other things to try to force ppl to buy the newer expansions. That is why I do not like the decision... anyway pretty expected with how blizzard has been lately. Lol, that is insane man. They aren't forcing you to do anything. You paid 60$ for WOL 3 years ago. That's a fucking bargain. 3 years of entertainment for 60 bucks. Then, they leave the servers up for you and you come here to whine. This makes no sense. Well I bought Warcraft 3 RoC a decade ago and I still play that game all the time. Guess what it still has al its features and a running server. I bought Diablo 1 over a decade ago and its servers are still running. Don't tell me I'm getting a bargain for that game when I still play 10+ year old games for the same price. The argument is illogical. And even if they decide not to support servers for the game, they could still offer offline mode. Now that'd be an awesome change for WoL and easily compensate for removing online achievements. So don't argue bargain lol especially when WoL pails in comparison to a game like D1.
Yea and WoL still has its features, does WC3 still have the pro ladder each season? Fuck no, this is exactly the same
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The GM league was, apparently, not even full. That means the requirements to enter are not even competitive, they are based more on monotony. If you can wait those long queues and keep your bonus pool down you are almost guaranteed a spot in GM. I don't see a reason for the league to continue long after the prestige is gone.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina22 Posts
I think that 99% of the pros switched to Hots on day 1, so WoL grandmaster league lost its value then.
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Anyone who reached GM after HotS launch should have the credit removed from their profile.
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I'm all for this change. I feel it should of gone down the day HotS came out, since at that point its relevance was just about nothing.
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On June 09 2013 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 23:35 rockahn wrote:
GOOD change People who say they cant get Gm anymore then just get it on HOTS
and for those who cant "buy" hots then just dont eat for a couple days and save 40$
or you shouldnt be focusing on starcraft in the first place and instead be focusing on getting a job that can afford you a 40$ game Obviously you have never had to live pay check to paycheck and still be in debt. For the future don't go around disrespecting people that don't have the opportunity to budget 40$. For example I was in college, paying rent, insurance, tuition, working two jobs at minimum wage, going to classes, paying a food bill, gas bill, repairs on a used car and much more just like any standard college student and there was no way I could make payments on time. And guess what, I know people coming from unfortunate families who work two-three jobs and still can't afford college because they are just trying to get by. So don't be ignorant and think that taking up a better job is that easy. And at 1am when they get home and have 3 hrs to try and spend some time having fun before going to sleep and waking up to their first job again, if they want to go ahead and focus on Starcraft as the outlet to their already tough life, who the hell are you to say they should be focusing on getting a better job when they already have 2. The world is not as easy as creating insults so maybe you should think a second before you post something like that.
Obviously you have never dabbled in logic. If one has 3 hrs to spend playing starcraft, y would he not just spend some days doing overtime saving up to buy the newest game. The money and time that he would invest into HOTS would be better rewarded than playing a dying and broken game. ALso this wouldnt take that long. At minimum wage(7.5 lets say) it would take less than 6 that would have been spent playing WOL(lets face its WOL) that can be better spent on a long term experience.
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some zergs just couldn't let go
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On June 11 2013 01:46 rockahn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:On June 08 2013 23:35 rockahn wrote:
GOOD change People who say they cant get Gm anymore then just get it on HOTS
and for those who cant "buy" hots then just dont eat for a couple days and save 40$
or you shouldnt be focusing on starcraft in the first place and instead be focusing on getting a job that can afford you a 40$ game Obviously you have never had to live pay check to paycheck and still be in debt. For the future don't go around disrespecting people that don't have the opportunity to budget 40$. For example I was in college, paying rent, insurance, tuition, working two jobs at minimum wage, going to classes, paying a food bill, gas bill, repairs on a used car and much more just like any standard college student and there was no way I could make payments on time. And guess what, I know people coming from unfortunate families who work two-three jobs and still can't afford college because they are just trying to get by. So don't be ignorant and think that taking up a better job is that easy. And at 1am when they get home and have 3 hrs to try and spend some time having fun before going to sleep and waking up to their first job again, if they want to go ahead and focus on Starcraft as the outlet to their already tough life, who the hell are you to say they should be focusing on getting a better job when they already have 2. The world is not as easy as creating insults so maybe you should think a second before you post something like that. Obviously you have never dabbled in logic. If one has 3 hrs to spend playing starcraft, y would he not just spend some days doing overtime saving up to buy the newest game. The money and time that he would invest into HOTS would be better rewarded than playing a dying and broken game. ALso this wouldnt take that long. At minimum wage(7.5 lets say) it would take less than 6 that would have been spent playing WOL(lets face its WOL) that can be better spent on a long term experience.
Your post made me sick, after reading that i doubt you have ever had to work for something in your life.
edit: when your in dept, if you work overtime, you are still going to be in dept those few hours are probably going to food and bills.
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On June 11 2013 10:30 Conut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 01:46 rockahn wrote:On June 09 2013 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:On June 08 2013 23:35 rockahn wrote:
GOOD change People who say they cant get Gm anymore then just get it on HOTS
and for those who cant "buy" hots then just dont eat for a couple days and save 40$
or you shouldnt be focusing on starcraft in the first place and instead be focusing on getting a job that can afford you a 40$ game Obviously you have never had to live pay check to paycheck and still be in debt. For the future don't go around disrespecting people that don't have the opportunity to budget 40$. For example I was in college, paying rent, insurance, tuition, working two jobs at minimum wage, going to classes, paying a food bill, gas bill, repairs on a used car and much more just like any standard college student and there was no way I could make payments on time. And guess what, I know people coming from unfortunate families who work two-three jobs and still can't afford college because they are just trying to get by. So don't be ignorant and think that taking up a better job is that easy. And at 1am when they get home and have 3 hrs to try and spend some time having fun before going to sleep and waking up to their first job again, if they want to go ahead and focus on Starcraft as the outlet to their already tough life, who the hell are you to say they should be focusing on getting a better job when they already have 2. The world is not as easy as creating insults so maybe you should think a second before you post something like that. Obviously you have never dabbled in logic. If one has 3 hrs to spend playing starcraft, y would he not just spend some days doing overtime saving up to buy the newest game. The money and time that he would invest into HOTS would be better rewarded than playing a dying and broken game. ALso this wouldnt take that long. At minimum wage(7.5 lets say) it would take less than 6 that would have been spent playing WOL(lets face its WOL) that can be better spent on a long term experience. Your post made me sick, after reading that i doubt you have ever had to work for something in your life. edit: when your in dept, if you work overtime, you are still going to be in dept those few hours are probably going to food and bills.
None of that has to do with the sc2 gm league. If you argument is to stand up, you are saying that all the overtime hours one does goes to bills and to food, if that is true, why the fuck is this person spending enough time on sc2 to be in the gm league. He should be working to get out of debt, which is significantly more important, and he, the guy who got himself in debt, should learn the value of a dollar and how to save it from the experience. Your post shows incredible ignorance, and this whole situation is absurd. If someone is good enough to be in a GM league that is solely based around grinding games, which means wasting incredible amounts of time, and is in enough debt that he is living paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford a $60 expansion, he shouldn't be grinding games, he should be getting another form of income with that time. What you are arguing for is spending enough time per week on sc2 to be the same as about half that of a part time job. This argument is absolutely ridiculous.
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