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Should Grandmaster League be removed from WoL?

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Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
March 20 2013 21:06 GMT
#1
Given that no one is playing the game anymore and there's a few boosters out there just boosting friends to spend their bonus pool and get into GM, I would vote yes, grandmaster league should be removed from wings of liberty.

In my opinion, it also detracts from the 'coolness' of seeing a GM in chat channels, since there's an extra 200 of them per server... and they're not even good, they just happened to spend their bonus pool to under 80 before other people did.

tldr: WoL still has a GM league, and considering it is pointless now, it should be removed imo.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
March 20 2013 21:08 GMT
#2
Why would you care if it's there if it's pointless anyway?
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
March 20 2013 21:09 GMT
#3
On March 21 2013 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:
Why would you care if it's there if it's pointless anyway?

Isn't there an achievement for getting GM?
If you don't like it, you can quit.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
March 20 2013 21:10 GMT
#4
I guess nobody really cares. So I think unless the boosting gets too obnoxious, it'll be okay to keep the league.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
NubainMuscle
Profile Joined June 2005
South Africa423 Posts
March 20 2013 21:15 GMT
#5
I think the bigger issue is they need to fix the league display in the profile section.

The portrait border is expansion specific but the league listing is not. In other words, a WOL GM will not have a GM border for HOTS. However, the GM logo would still appear on the right hand side of the main profile screen.

I believe they should modify this so only HOTS league placement is visible. I have some friends who placed diamond early in WOL and have not even laddered 1v1 for HOTS yet they are still listed as diamond league (but no portrait border).
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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 21:18:37
March 20 2013 21:16 GMT
#6
Just a note. The bonus pool is completely separate from MMR. While the visible points is a general indicator of your rating, it is separate from what actually determines your placement.
T P Z sagi
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
March 20 2013 21:17 GMT
#7
On March 21 2013 06:15 NubainMuscle wrote:
I think the bigger issue is they need to fix the league display in the profile section.

The portrait border is expansion specific but the league listing is not. In other words, a WOL GM will not have a GM border for HOTS. However, the GM logo would still appear on the right hand side of the main profile screen.

I believe they should modify this so only HOTS league placement is visible. I have some friends who placed diamond early in WOL and have not even laddered 1v1 for HOTS yet they are still listed as diamond league (but no portrait border).

Oh noes! They can now make some other noob believe they are diamond :O
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Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
March 20 2013 21:18 GMT
#8
On March 21 2013 06:16 purakushi wrote:
Just a note. The bonus pool is completely separate from MMR. While the visible points is a general indicator of your rating, it is separate from what actually determines your placement.


I know how the system works, but I worded it like I did because there's actually next to no one playing wings of liberty still so anyone with, like, mid masters MMR and up is getting promoted.

Also, you can't get in GM with more than 80 bonus pool afaik.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 22:13:03
March 20 2013 21:20 GMT
#9
On March 21 2013 06:17 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 06:15 NubainMuscle wrote:
I think the bigger issue is they need to fix the league display in the profile section.

The portrait border is expansion specific but the league listing is not. In other words, a WOL GM will not have a GM border for HOTS. However, the GM logo would still appear on the right hand side of the main profile screen.

I believe they should modify this so only HOTS league placement is visible. I have some friends who placed diamond early in WOL and have not even laddered 1v1 for HOTS yet they are still listed as diamond league (but no portrait border).

Oh noes! They can now make some other noob believe they are diamond :O



lol

edit: I dont think it should be removed, WoL is still going on and people want to play it.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
March 20 2013 21:20 GMT
#10
On March 21 2013 06:15 NubainMuscle wrote:
I think the bigger issue is they need to fix the league display in the profile section.

The portrait border is expansion specific but the league listing is not. In other words, a WOL GM will not have a GM border for HOTS. However, the GM logo would still appear on the right hand side of the main profile screen.

I believe they should modify this so only HOTS league placement is visible. I have some friends who placed diamond early in WOL and have not even laddered 1v1 for HOTS yet they are still listed as diamond league (but no portrait border).


right but you can just hang out with WoL expansion on to get the GM border in chat channels, even to other HOTS members. I am doing it right now and I'm only diamond in HOTS. (im actually better than most GMs on the server, but I didn't ladder)

it's just silly. Grandmaster was a league for the elite players* and there's nothing elite about wings of liberty anymore lol.


*= elite players for that server
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Xylocaine
Profile Joined November 2010
France56 Posts
March 20 2013 21:22 GMT
#11
On March 21 2013 06:15 NubainMuscle wrote:
I think the bigger issue is they need to fix the league display in the profile section.

The portrait border is expansion specific but the league listing is not. In other words, a WOL GM will not have a GM border for HOTS. However, the GM logo would still appear on the right hand side of the main profile screen.

I believe they should modify this so only HOTS league placement is visible. I have some friends who placed diamond early in WOL and have not even laddered 1v1 for HOTS yet they are still listed as diamond league (but no portrait border).


Not really an issue... I guess the "league listing" you are talking about is the "highest league finish", which means that a random scrub who got into Diamond/Masters in season 1 or 2 back in 2010 still has his Diamond/Masters icon even if now his MMR is on bronze level... So basically that icon means nothing anyway (at least when it comes to current actual skill), it's mostly here for prestige and bragging rights, so if you ask me it makes entire sense to show a GM icon for WoL GM's lol
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
March 20 2013 21:24 GMT
#12
I think they should personally.
koOma
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway462 Posts
March 20 2013 21:38 GMT
#13
Nah, there'll prolly be a select few who stick to WoL and they should be given the same incentive as the majority.
He wears a mask so when he dogs his face / Each and every race could absorb the bass /// ST_Life
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
March 20 2013 21:59 GMT
#14
This is the definition of first world problems.

Who cares about GM on WoL ? Hell, how many people care about ladder in WoL ? Should we also remove it entirely?
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
March 20 2013 22:08 GMT
#15
On March 21 2013 06:06 Let it Raine wrote:
Given that no one is playing the game anymore



I have a really big problem with this point which makes your whole agruement pointless. First who is "no one?" Second when I log onto HOTS I see that there is a 100,000 people currently logged into battle.net, clearly there are people playing SC II. I play the game daily, but I don't count as a someone. Your reasons for GM are dumb. GM is like a way to visually show who the top 200 players in the world are.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 22:12:26
March 20 2013 22:09 GMT
#16
- oh my god how did I manage to do this... all I wanted to do was to edit my first post -.- -
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
March 20 2013 22:10 GMT
#17
Just let it be, there is no harm in it being there.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
March 20 2013 22:10 GMT
#18
-I F*CKED UP-

NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 22:16:55
March 20 2013 22:13 GMT
#19
On March 21 2013 06:20 Let it Raine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 06:15 NubainMuscle wrote:
I think the bigger issue is they need to fix the league display in the profile section.

The portrait border is expansion specific but the league listing is not. In other words, a WOL GM will not have a GM border for HOTS. However, the GM logo would still appear on the right hand side of the main profile screen.

I believe they should modify this so only HOTS league placement is visible. I have some friends who placed diamond early in WOL and have not even laddered 1v1 for HOTS yet they are still listed as diamond league (but no portrait border).


right but you can just hang out with WoL expansion on to get the GM border in chat channels, even to other HOTS members. I am doing it right now and I'm only diamond in HOTS. (im actually better than most GMs on the server, but I didn't ladder)

it's just silly. Grandmaster was a league for the elite players* and there's nothing elite about wings of liberty anymore lol.


*= elite players for that server


dude stop being an ass...

among the players who choose to stay and play WoL, theres going to be a wish for a ranking system, why would they change the ranking system just so old WoL players can brag about huge eballs in hotS? look at it as a different game rather than an expansion.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
March 20 2013 22:18 GMT
#20
Doesn't really make a difference. There is zero prestige in being GM in WoL at this point when every pro from every server plays HOTS. May as well just leave it be for people who want the achievement or to be able to brag about getting top 200 in a game of no value at this point.
JD, need I say more? :D
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