EPTOn May 29 2013 19:56 iky43210 wrote:
There is a chance you end up with a inferior comp overall than your opponents
There is a chance you end up with a inferior comp overall than your opponents
So you got outpicked.
Popularity of LOL, SC2 and BW in Korea - Page 11
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
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Entropia
France103 Posts
On May 29 2013 19:35 iky43210 wrote: LoL is exciting to play, but not anywhere exciting to watch. Would rather watch paint dry than to spend an hour per game watching mostly creeps farming and fail ganking A bo3 sc2 series also only take 30 minute total on average, while any single lol match is 40 minute minimum + champion selections. There is also huge luck factor in LoL when it comes to ganks and comp overall I agree. I played one year LoL and yet I didnt like watching the streams, too boring and probably the casters were bad also. Sc2 on the contrary is always exciting to watch. LoL is longer and repetitive, in sc you only have like one minutes or two of repetition of build orders then the game changes. About discussion on difficulty, It is obvious that for the single sc2 is more difficult you need multitasking and far more apm, which explains also a lot imho about the popularity of lol amongst the youngster. At pro level, the skill is more about team play than the single. I would be curious also to see the average age of players, I'm sure that sc players are at least 3-4 years older. When I played LoL I faced a lot of 14yrs old kids, which I don't like very much, it's like going to disco and finding only teenagers (I'm almost 30  ).Having seen both worlds, I really prefer sc2 community, this is of course personal taste. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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DMaster
Romania61 Posts
On May 27 2013 22:11 xsnac wrote: thanks khaldor . finaly im not the only one saying the problem is money anymore . thank you sir ! You are soo right ! + Show Spoiler + I said thousand of times atlast for me ( east europe - romania ) in my city we have ~10 pc bangs all with 40-80 computers each . and nobody is playing in them SC2 . out of all players i only saw 2 in pc bangs playing starcraft 2 . and thats becose it costs TOO MUCH . 50 euro here is an INSANE amount . a avarage income is between 200euro - 400euro a month some ppl cant even affoard pc's so they play only on pc bangs . i would gladly help and make a videoin wich i film every1 in my local pc bangs . and il show u 70% of players are : WoT ( rank 1 ) DotA 2 ( rank ) and LoL ( rank 3 ) played in pc bangs . we even have LoL and WoT in romanian thats how big the scene is . for the other 30% of gamers they eighter play mmo's ( WoW on private server /cracked ofc , aion , Lineage2 // it was the most played games back in its days // etc ) or play browser games or cs 1.6 . another thing you should point out : i dont know in kr but here in romania every pc bang has steam caffe and they have like 300 games each computer . if you wanna play a free game you call the admin he logs you into the pc bang steam' caffe account . and there are tones of games for free . no reason to pay 50$ for a game that nobody plays . I'm so pissed since the release of sc2:wol that multiplayer is p2p that i would do anything i can to help blizzard understand that this is hurting its games at its most . imo the ppl who have 2k income will most likely play console games and not pc games . thanks again khaldor . + Show Spoiler + tell them the truth ! blizzard and western's are blind ! Khaldor isn't saying that it is a problem that SC2 isn't as popular as the others, he is just presenting reasons why that is, also Blizzard shouldn't be blamed for trying to make money ... they are every right to do so and in their position i would probably ask for more than 50E ... its totally worth it ... i think i've spent 200 E so far on WoT bshit stuff and only 80E on SC2 ... and am still playing only SC2. In any case ... kids shouldn't be playing SC2 anyways ( this includes you Destiny - u spoiled brat - rest in pieces ) ... SC2 is too hard for the young and fragile mind of a teen, they can suffer irreparable brain damage since the metagame can only be described in full in a number pages that would exceed that of the Encyclopaedia Britannica and it is still evolving like a living organism does. The kiddies should be in school anyways if for no other reason than that only following this path and this path alone will they mature to a real scholar able to begin grasping the depths of the metagame, only then may they aspire to be as Artosis, TLO or the mighty Nestea ( respectfully bowing while i write this ). I actually don't want the crowd from LoL, Dota or WoT ... let them be ... i want the cool people and only the cool people playing this game, i want to be part of the exclusive club that is the SC2 community and 50 bucks is way too cheap for this ... if you're reading this Blizzard increase the price ... trust me ... make it 500 E for all i care ( am not j/k actually ) ... Blizzard can have his revenue to maintain the quality of the games it produces ( i actually care about SC2 alone ) and we can have our select group of Zerg Cerebrates, Brotoss'es and Terran Scumbags ( u heard me ). Driving my point forward - we have a premium product with a premium price tag - no need to change that, if anything please go out of your way and keep the kiddies outta this ... forget LoL Dota and WoT scene ... think of that scene as being kindergarden and think of the SC2 scene as being college ... makes sense now ? PS: poor people shouldn't be playing games anyways, finding a job comes to mind as being #1 priority ( so Blizzard again do the community a service and don't make free games that would encourage people to live on social welfare ) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
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Entropia
France103 Posts
Blizzard failed in spreading the game in those countries apparently, and those are often the rising economies so definitely a marketing fail in my opinion. | ||
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DMaster
Romania61 Posts
On May 29 2013 21:13 Entropia wrote: Man I think you have a quite distorted image of the world, "poor people" are not only the one living in rich countries and profiting on social welfare, there are countries in which 50eur are one month savings. Also, having more money don't make you more intelligent, so a higher price to have a better community is a non sense to me. Blizzard failed in spreading the game in those countries apparently, and those are often the rising economies so definitely a marketing fail in my opinion. But a good car is expensive is it not ? You don't go blaming Ferrari that the latest Testarossa is too much and it is a failure, and then go ahead and say that Peugeot is a much better car because you sell more of them ? now do you ? Ferrari > Peugeot ... get it ? Vous comprendre moi ? | ||
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evaniss
53 Posts
I can explain better than Khaldor why SC2 isn't popular than BW days since i live in korea and watched what happened here are key points take a look 1. when SC2 released in Korea, Blizzard made Crucial mistakes for services - Changed their pricing against PC Bang owners, it changed much more Increased costs in there position so most of PC Bang owners didn't Actively attempt and promote to service for customers, they have been and they still more likes LOL than SC2 - when SC2 was released in korean, when peoples try create an account to play SC2 without Purchased an account in PC bang, it was sooooooooo inconvenience if you want to create an account of battlenet in korea, it was required to Authentication your Identification via mobile phone so many of peoples are annoyed from begining of access to SC2, i saw many of people just dump SC2 into Trash from strarting -The issues of the deal with KESPA and Ongamenet as many of you know, it made lights go off from the begining of SC2, many numbers of Korean Viewers and fans, gradually reduced their interest of SC2 Meanwhile, LOL caught up popularity 2. Speaking inside of gaming culture, SC2 has NO attractive and Interesting elements than BW for Korean gaming culture one of reason of koreans plays BW every times in PC Bang is "Team play" , basically korean peoples likes to watch 1vs1 games in progamers play but we are really love to play team play than 1vs1 for example, when you go to PC Bang in korea, most of peoples plays 2vs2 or 3vs3 on Hunter or fastest and Infinite Maps but SC2 has no elements of fun in Team play as like BW when WarCraft3 Popularity was so bad in korea, but we have been play DOTA and Chaos in PC bang as much as BW 3.Blizzrd Missed out timing of release to SC2:HOTS LOL already surpassed the popularity than StarCraft include BW, SC2 so currently, It is very difficult to recover popularity as like BW days. i think SC2 needs to change to focus on korean gaming culture if they really want to recover popularity SC2 need more Convenient and attractive contents to team play such as DOTA and LOL in SC2 something like that or more elements of fun to play 2v2, 3v3 something like that I have to say, In the consumer perspective it's nothing reasons with free or pay to play SC2 in PC Bang offcourse Free game more easy to access but basicly they purchase game title if really want to play they purchase monthly Charges for MMOs such as Lineage1,2, Aion, WOW, and many other MMOs | ||
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megid
Brazil142 Posts
And for real, i can play like soooo many dota games and still feel relaxed and ok, while on sc2 i barely can play 10 matches without having some sort of headache or a little tiredness ( at diamond lvl only ). So, it's not like it's a rule for all, but sc2 is a stress game for so much ppl that it will never will become more popular, that's why a huge number of ppl only watch games and not play it. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
But if the proleagues can sustain themselves with enough spectators despite low number of casuals playing in Korea I guess it doesn't really matter. | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
2. Speaking inside of gaming culture, SC2 has NO attractive and Interesting elements than BW for Korean gaming culture one of reason of koreans plays BW every times in PC Bang is "Team play" , basically korean peoples likes to watch 1vs1 games in progamers play but we are really love to play team play than 1vs1 for example, when you go to PC Bang in korea, most of peoples plays 2vs2 or 3vs3 on Hunter or fastest and Infinite Maps but SC2 has not elements of fun to play Team play as like BW I'll take that statement. In my case, I liked to play RTS's in pc bangs because team play. It was great the 4v4 AoE2, civil engineering vs electronic engineering. So I bought blindly SC2, and only was me and one friend who rarely plays. dota has that easy appeal of bring 4 friends, without any prerequisite like license, and without the maimed version of starter edition. one starter edition that allows 2 games per day in a 4v4 ladder, could help, but blizzard never will do anything like that. | ||
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CreationSoul
Romania231 Posts
I would rather have things as they are today, than the way things were in the BW days (BW popular in korea, but almost dead everywhere else) | ||
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Heouf
Netherlands787 Posts
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domisama
Switzerland46 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:26 CreationSoul wrote: I don't understand we there is such a big deal about korea not liking SC2. SC2 is big in the western world. As long as koreans pros play and we as westerns can watch high quality games, I could care less if the korean public likes it. I would rather have things as they are today, than the way things were in the BW days (BW popular in korea, but almost dead everywhere else) A lot of the Existing infrastructure in Korea is now being used for LoL / Other Games because SC2 didn't take off as expected. It is still played obviously but the fanbase (and through that the amount of productions and it's quality) could be 2-3 times as large. People don't want it to be like in BW, but they are disappointed that Sc2 isn't bigger than it is. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:26 CreationSoul wrote: I don't understand we there is such a big deal about korea not liking SC2. SC2 is big in the western world. As long as koreans pros play and we as westerns can watch high quality games, I could care less if the korean public likes it. I would rather have things as they are today, than the way things were in the BW days (BW popular in korea, but almost dead everywhere else) Nobody wants that. They want it big everywhere, including Korea (which makes sense considering that's where all the top players are and are developed) | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On May 29 2013 21:53 tomatriedes wrote: There seems to still no no buzz in SC2 about custom maps which were such a huge feature of casual play in BW. Blizzard really didn't do a good job of implementing this aspect of the game. It's been said a million times, but the way the battlenet UI was changed from BW to SC2 was a big culprit in ruining the custom scene and making the game feel less social. But if the proleagues can sustain themselves with enough spectators despite low number of casuals playing in Korea I guess it doesn't really matter. yeah, WoL was a lonely experience compared to previous Blizzard games or even other RTS games.  | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On May 29 2013 21:18 DMaster wrote: But a good car is expensive is it not ? You don't go blaming Ferrari that the latest Testarossa is too much and it is a failure, and then go ahead and say that Peugeot is a much better car because you sell more of them ? now do you ? Ferrari > Peugeot ... get it ? Vous comprendre moi ? price doesn't equal qualitty. if you look at some more everyday stuff (espcially food) you see that most of the time medium, range products are exetly the best. you are just a incredable imbicil who doesn't think releasticly and knows shit about the current market. let alone in "poorer"countrys like poland, romenia ect" also this scene needs a big player, otherwise you can say good bye to spl/osl/gsl/mlg ect but on topic again, i totally agree with khaldor. | ||
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_-NoMaN-_
Canada250 Posts
On May 28 2013 11:27 Cele wrote: no, not really. People play 1v1 in BW the most. But there are less people with ladder anxiety. Because you can smurf. Do you have a source for this? | ||
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evaniss
53 Posts
On May 29 2013 12:59 wptlzkwjd wrote: Here's a question: Back before SC2 was released, did the PC Bangs actually buy individual copies of BW for their computers? Or did they just buy one copy? Or did they just install a cracked version and patched it offline and just allowed everyone to LAN? I'm thinking the latter because my friends and I used to just copy BW on a USB and you can play LAN straight from that. I can tell you answer very cleary since i was worked in PC Bang in korea couple of years Basicly PC Bangs buys individual copies of BW, but not for every PCs they buys copies of the amounts CD keys required to services and they don't install any of cracked version at all, since most of people play and they wants to play via Battlenet usually they are don't play via LAN so, it depend on PC Bang owner's decisions and how many peoples plays BW at the same time in PC Bang On average, if 20 peoples plays BW at the same time is the peak time then they Purchases copies a little bit more than they needs which is max numbers of concurrent access to Battlenet From what I've seen, if PC Bang has 50 PCs for services then usually they Purchases about 20~30 copies (it depend on and deffernt from how many peoples play at the same time on Battlenet in their place of business) | ||
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Power[Xp]
Netherlands64 Posts
On May 29 2013 20:50 DMaster wrote: Khaldor isn't saying that it is a problem that SC2 isn't as popular as the others, he is just presenting reasons why that is, also Blizzard shouldn't be blamed for trying to make money ... they are every right to do so and in their position i would probably ask for more than 50E ... its totally worth it ... i think i've spent 200 E so far on WoT bshit stuff and only 80E on SC2 ... and am still playing only SC2. In any case ... kids shouldn't be playing SC2 anyways ( this includes you Destiny - u spoiled brat - rest in pieces ) ... SC2 is too hard for the young and fragile mind of a teen, they can suffer irreparable brain damage since the metagame can only be described in full in a number pages that would exceed that of the Encyclopaedia Britannica and it is still evolving like a living organism does. The kiddies should be in school anyways if for no other reason than that only following this path and this path alone will they mature to a real scholar able to begin grasping the depths of the metagame, only then may they aspire to be as Artosis, TLO or the mighty Nestea ( respectfully bowing while i write this ). I actually don't want the crowd from LoL, Dota or WoT ... let them be ... i want the cool people and only the cool people playing this game, i want to be part of the exclusive club that is the SC2 community and 50 bucks is way too cheap for this ... if you're reading this Blizzard increase the price ... trust me ... make it 500 E for all i care ( am not j/k actually ) ... Blizzard can have his revenue to maintain the quality of the games it produces ( i actually care about SC2 alone ) and we can have our select group of Zerg Cerebrates, Brotoss'es and Terran Scumbags ( u heard me ). Driving my point forward - we have a premium product with a premium price tag - no need to change that, if anything please go out of your way and keep the kiddies outta this ... forget LoL Dota and WoT scene ... think of that scene as being kindergarden and think of the SC2 scene as being college ... makes sense now ? PS: poor people shouldn't be playing games anyways, finding a job comes to mind as being #1 priority ( so Blizzard again do the community a service and don't make free games that would encourage people to live on social welfare ) I assume you're either trolling or completely ignorant. You do know that the only way for a game to survive is to eventually attract younger players who can carry on the legacy of the older players? You say you only care about Starcraft 2, but yet you don't want young players to carry the future of Starcraft 2. Now I have to agree with you that the community of LoL sucks pretty bad and mainly consists of young children with a big attitude. But that's not all there is to it. Heck you even see children with a big attitude in Starcraft 2. If you ask me, the main problem is that there is no social network or social control that can limit the bad behaviour. I remember when I was a lot younger and actively playing Brood War I also had my moments of bad manner. The thing was that when I behaved like a little kid, I was corrected by the older players who were in the same clan, channel, community scene or whatever. Starcraft 2 and LoL lack a strong social community. In Brood War Nation and Clan Channels were very popular and in those channels there were always big names (players who showed their skills etc) and they usually gave the right example of how to behave. In LoL there is simply not such a social community and in Starcraft 2 people look up to the progamers and some of these progamers don't know how to behave in public either, not realizing they are an example to the younger gamers (cough IdrA cough MC). You might say their behaviour stimulates young gamers to be bad mannered, but this is too easy to say. What is sure though is that there is no social control or correction from the older gamers. If you truly care about Starcraft 2 change your opinion about the community and don't behave like the Starcraft 2 community should be an excluded community. Inspire younger gamers to play the game and inspire them to behave properly. Not all children are bad mannered and some children just need a little correction, but they are the future of any game. | ||
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