EPTA rank of foreign countries performance in SC2 - Page 3
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Inimic
Canada153 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On May 25 2013 01:46 4ZakeN87 wrote: That data is out of date and just wrong to some extent: For instance top 3 Swedes by: http://aligulac.com/earnings/?page=1&year=all&country=SE¤cy=all NaNiwa The Alliance $79,768 ThorZaIN Evil Geniuses $69,958 SaSe Fnatic $27,389 Top 3 Swedes by SC2earnings: Naniwa 87,338 Thorzain $79,214 Sjow $45,945 Not wrong, just different. aligulac has some events that sc2earnings does not have, and the other way around. Stephano has $222,091 on aligulac, and $216,305 on sc2earnings, for instance. And then there's the issue of currency conversion.. We're always working on filling the gaps, though.  | ||
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Northern_iight
Canada363 Posts
On May 25 2013 00:32 4ZakeN87 wrote: The second issue revolves around USA. It is for several reasons very hard to determine the skill of SC2 in US. First there is the issue that close to all American organizers has an urge to flood each and every one of their tournaments with 50 top Koreans, usually ending with a slaughter of the NA scene. Meanwhile the US scene has a low interaction towards everything else, making it very hard to determine how they match up against other nations. Then there is the fact that US has a great width of players, more pros than any other nation, but few top caliber players. USA is the only country that has this distribution of skill. The fact is that even if you have 20 decent pros they are not going to earn much money in tournament with 20+ pro Koreans. Therefor US are for instance behind Poland in this list. This is because Nerchio and Mana has earned prize money equal to the amount of the top 23 US players combined. So how do the performance of 2 top caliber players compare to the performance of 20 good players? You tell me. No to derail the thread but SCA was made for this reason. Hopefully it comes back. We need to support the NA scene! | ||
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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
whats wrong here? | ||
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
the top 2 players from at least 10 european countrys are better than the top 2 usa players the top 3 --- 7 and the top 5 players from at least 3 european countrys are better than the top 5 usa players which is actually very pathetic for usa | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10121 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 25 2013 01:48 Scarecrow wrote: It might as well be somewhere that makes sense. $1500 in winnings is amateur. My definition would be that pros are full timers who are earning enough in salary/winnings/endorsements to be at least over the poverty line. For me personally I only consider pro gamers players who is playing full time. A player like Nerchio is for me an amateur a very successful amateur though. Players Like Thorzain,Stephano is what I consider professional and it got really nothing to do with there winnings. But yea that's just my opinion I'm sure there is a lot of different opinion on this issue | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
On May 25 2013 02:05 ChriseC wrote: ive read NL:2 and immediatly had 3 dutch pro players in my head whats wrong here? On May 25 2013 00:32 4ZakeN87 wrote: I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings. I don't know which pro player you had in mind but he has probably made less then 1500$ in prize earnings. | ||
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
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PerryHooter
Sweden268 Posts
On May 25 2013 01:48 Scarecrow wrote: It might as well be somewhere that makes sense. $1500 in winnings is amateur. My definition would be that pros are full timers who are earning enough in salary/winnings/endorsements to be at least over the poverty line. Good definition. Now try to google for info on what salary all the potential pro's are being paid, should just be a few hundred persons, then take into account the prize money earned and finally compare this to the living standards of the respective country. Looking forward to a presentation of the data. Didn't wanna sound like a douche bag, but my point is that in any statistical enquiry you have to make reasonable simplifications and assumptions or you won't be able to produce any result at all. A.k.a. a "working definition". | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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Diaresta
United States597 Posts
I'm not surprised Sweden is on top, though. | ||
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Wertheron
France439 Posts
That's better than i excepted in 2010, and we are definitely in the top EU nation in SC2 (that was not the case in the past and in another game). | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
On May 25 2013 01:50 Inimic wrote: What about proleague and GSL and GSTL salaries for foreigners out there? I think this is only for event earnings. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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anatase
France532 Posts
On May 25 2013 02:39 Wertheron wrote: That's better than i excepted in 2010, and we are definitely in the top EU nation in SC2 (that was not the case in the past and in another game). Only halfway true. wether it is CS1.6 or now CSGO France was considered a top competitors, hardly on the Top, but always in it. Same goes for QL (less for Q3) Strenx is among the best QL players. about BW, Elky (and to some extents Sarens) were really big, Especially Elky. WC3 ToD, Blatty, FatC (Mister 2:0!) were big names too. The main difference imho is just that before SC2 the french esport scene was muuuuuuch tinier. We never reached Sweden, I mean sweden is really the top EU nation when it comes to esports, just look at WC3/Q3/CS and now SC2, but still, far from your last statement. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On May 25 2013 02:10 tilhorizon wrote: the strengh of usa players is much lower than most people assume the top 2 players from at least 10 european countrys are better than the top 2 usa players the top 3 --- 7 and the top 5 players from at least 3 european countrys are better than the top 5 usa players which is actually very pathetic for usa Everyone allready knows USA suck at SC2. We don't need to rub it in any more | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote: South Korea - $5,333,820 Rest of World - $2,574,005 Not bad considering... a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though | ||
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