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Here is my attempt to a little more objective approach to answer the question of which countries that are performing best behind South Korea in SC2. So I have simply summarized prize earnings (PE) of all the pro players from the 16 countries that have above 500.00$ in total earnings. The idea is then of course that prize money is an indicator of “skill”. I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings. Pro players from the entire time span of SC2 are included, thus does the amount of pro players included former pro players as well e.g Jinro and Idra. Meaning that the list does not necessarily reflect who is performing best now, but which countries that has been performing best through SC2 “history”. The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com
Top 16 nations by prize earnings
Sweden: 350,822$
France: 269,905$
Poland: 188,945$
US: 188,655$
Ukraine: 187,130$
Germany: 179,855$
China: 167,319$
Canada: 159,580$
Spain: 102,195$
Taiwan: 98,390$
NL: 89,050$
Russia: 70,410$
Norway: 66,400$
Australia: 65,125$
UK: 51,105$
Finland: 50,990$
Top 16 nations by number of pro players
US: 24
Sweden: 14
Germany: 13
China: 13
Canada: 10
France: 8
Taiwan: 8
Australia: 8
Poland: 6
Ukraine: 6
Russia: 6
UK: 6
Spain: 5
Norway: 4
Finland: 4
NL: 2
Since people ask about Korea, here is a value I calculated for the WoL period a while back.
Total earnings Korea in WoL: $4,761,164 or 65.6% of the total prize pool $7,237,937
Additional calculations by Sjokola
Prize money per million people (per capita * 1.000.000)
Sweden: 36.645
Norway: 13.113
Finland: 9.380
NL: 5.305
Poland: 4.903
Canada: 4.552
Taiwan: 4.216
France: 4.112
Ukraine: 4.110
Australia: 2.828
Germany: 2.193
Spain: 2.172
UK: 809
US: 601
Russia: 491
China: 124
Progamers per hundred million people (per capita * 100.000.000 rounded off)
Sweden: 146
Norway: 79
Finland: 74
Australia: 35
Taiwan: 34
Canada: 29
Germany: 16
Poland: 16
Ukraine: 13
France: 12
NL: 12
Spain: 11
UK: 9
US: 8
Russia: 4
China: 1
Average prize money per progamer per country
NL: 44.525
France: 33.738
Poland: 31.491
Ukraine: 31.188
Sweden: 25.059
Spain: 20.439
Norway: 16.600
Canada: 15.958
Germany: 13.835
China: 12.871
Finland: 12.748
Taiwan: 12.299
Russia: 11.735
UK: 8.518
Australia: 8.141
US: 7.861
Pros and cons with the ranking
So as many might have suspected Sweden came out on top of the score board, followed by France (Stephano & friends), the third place is narrowly taken by Poland with US and Ukraine close behind.
Will there are some issues with this method do I still believe that the it is a reasonable indicator of performance of a country. If you for instance look at the top 5 countries are those countries the ones that are being mentioned 99% of the times when discussing which nations are the best outside of South Korea. This of course is not a coincidence.
So regarding the issues with this method:
The first issue being that the earnings from international competition and earnings from regional tournaments are not separated. Thus if you use prize earning as a measurement of skill can a countries “skill” be boosted by having a large prize pool in regional tournaments. To be able to accommodate for this (to some extent) I sampled the origin of each countries prize earnings. After some quick research I identified four categories of countries:
Low regional PE (0-5%), Medium regional PE (5-15%), High regional PE (15-40%) and Isolated nations.
Low regional PE: Poland, Ukraine, Canada and Netherlands. I don’t know if local tournaments exist, but if they do they are not included in SC2earnings.com and thus neither in this ranking.
Medium regional PE: Sweden, France, Russia, US, Spain, Finland and UK
High regional PE: Germany, Taiwan and Norway
Thus if one would make a list and base it solely on prize earnings from international competition Canada would for instance be above Germany and Norway would not have made the cut into the list (dat oil money!). Most countries would however remain in the same position even with subtracted regional prize money.
Isolated nations: Australia and China
They both above 50% regional earnings but on the other hand are they also isolated from much of the international competition. So prize earnings are not a suitable measurement of skill in their case, as the amount of prize money does not relate well to their international performance.
The second issue revolves around USA. It is for several reasons very hard to determine the skill of SC2 in US. First there is the issue that close to all American organizers has an urge to flood each and every one of their tournaments with 50 top Koreans, usually ending with a slaughter of the NA scene. Meanwhile the US scene has a low interaction towards everything else, making it very hard to determine how they match up against other nations. Then there is the fact that US has a great width of players, more pros than any other nation, but few top caliber players. USA is the only country that has this distribution of skill. The fact is that even if you have 20 decent pros they are not going to earn much money in tournament with 20+ pro Koreans. Therefor US are for instance behind Poland in this list. This is because Nerchio and Mana has earned prize money equal to the amount of the top 23 US players combined. So how do the performance of 2 top caliber players compare to the performance of 20 good players? You tell me.
To conclude are there issues with this measurement and thus is it not suitable to draw conclusions based on minor difference within it. I however think that the larger patterns are correct. I for instance don’t think it is a coincidence that Sweden happens to end on top (let the flaming commence), that Germany is above UK and so forth.
Anyway, if people think this is interesting I could keep updating it. Maybe after every WCS season to see which nations that are climbing the ladder and which that are declining.
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I'm not surprised to see Sweden that high on the list, a little at how high usa is though.
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On May 25 2013 00:34 partydude89 wrote:
I'm not surprised to see Sweden that high on the list, a little at how high usa is though.
well idra has made like 60k, and they have a huge player pool to pick up minor victories
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Well we're higher than Finland. I'm notching this one as a win for us. UK UK UK.
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France FTW
(Stephano FTW ? :D)
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no taiwan 
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The thousand seperator of the lower countries is 1 to late. Confused the hell out of me 
But yeah, surprised Poland and USA are higher than Ukraine, but yer with USA ofcourse there are 4 times more pro players
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On May 25 2013 00:42 VelJa wrote:
France FTW
(Stephano FTW ? :D)
Pretty much, Stephano has earned 216.000$ out of Frances total 265.000$, or ~81%
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On May 25 2013 00:42 VelJa wrote:
France FTW
(Stephano FTW ? :D)
France : $269.905
France without Stephano : $53.600 ...
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Stephano should be his own country imo
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On May 25 2013 00:52 Ichabod wrote:
Stephano should be his own country imo
Fun factoid! If MC decides to make his own nation one day, BOSSTOSSLAND! , it will be the country second to Korea with most prize earnings! Sitting at 365000$ the guy has won more prize money that any nation outside of Korea x)
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stephano....jesus fucking christ
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I think seeing something like this for the top 20 teams would be really interesting as well.
Thanks for the statistics.
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France second with almost one player only haha
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8 pro players in france ? did i miss something ? oO
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This doesn't say anything about the current moment.
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From where exactly does these prize earning come from? Does 509.90$ or 511.05$ mean 500 dollars or what 0_0
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Well considering that to name just 2 players from UK (Bling & JonnyREcco) who have both earned over £3000 each in prize money, I don't know how on earth the entire UK earnings can total just over $500.
Edit - or is this average earnings compared to the amount of pro players a country has? Or what? That still wouldn't work out...
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Eh, I think you placed the dot at the wrong place in that data shown. Norway for example should be 66.400$ and not 664.00$, its very confusing to look at otherwise.
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Lol Stephano putting French on the map.
Its actually interesting if we take Stephano out of the equation then French not doing that well and considering the size of the country compared to others
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On May 25 2013 01:03 E.L.V.I.S wrote:
8 pro players in france ? did i miss something ? oO
Well, defined as players with above 1500$ earnings France have:
Stephano, Sarens, Adelscott, Eeel, Dayshi, Aures, Tuzer and ToD.
So 8, but it is to some extent a coincidence, sense France happen to have several players between 2.5k-1.5k earnings.
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It is so funny how every time a post about some country ranking comes up a swede posts it...
try making earning/country(goodplayer)
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On May 25 2013 01:09 mnck wrote:
Eh, I think you placed the dot at the wrong place in that data shown. Norway for example should be 66.400$ and not 664.00$, its very confusing to look at otherwise.
Yeah sorry, saw it now, its fixed.
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Not to sound picky but the numbers are incredibly hard to read because of the formatting. Like if its $500.65 in your formatting 500650 would be $500.650 which makes it way too similar to look at. Usually its a , rather than a . for large numbers.
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On May 25 2013 01:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:09 mnck wrote:
Eh, I think you placed the dot at the wrong place in that data shown. Norway for example should be 66.400$ and not 664.00$, its very confusing to look at otherwise. Yeah sorry, saw it now, its fixed.
Wait, so its $50,105 for UK?
On May 25 2013 01:13 FlukyS wrote:
Not to sound picky but the numbers are incredibly hard to read because of the formatting. Like if its $500.65 in your formatting 500650 would be $500.650 which makes it way too similar to look at. Usually its a , rather than a . for large numbers.
Yeah this. Should be , (comma) not . (dot).
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On May 25 2013 01:13 Mallidon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On May 25 2013 01:09 mnck wrote:
Eh, I think you placed the dot at the wrong place in that data shown. Norway for example should be 66.400$ and not 664.00$, its very confusing to look at otherwise. Yeah sorry, saw it now, its fixed. Wait, so its $50,105 for UK? Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:13 FlukyS wrote:
Not to sound picky but the numbers are incredibly hard to read because of the formatting. Like if its $500.65 in your formatting 500650 would be $500.650 which makes it way too similar to look at. Usually its a , rather than a . for large numbers. Yeah this. Should be , (comma) not . (dot).
I am pretty sure Americans use dots while EU use coma, I dont think either one is wrong or right but I can use coma if people prefer it ^^
And yes, of course it 50k$. Otherwise it would be either 500k or 5k, either of those two does not sound very reasonable now do they? x)
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On May 25 2013 01:05 Mallidon wrote:
Well considering that to name just 2 players from UK (Bling & JonnyREcco) who have both earned over £3000 each in prize money, I don't know how on earth the entire UK earnings can total just over $500.
Edit - or is this average earnings compared to the amount of pro players a country has? Or what? That still wouldn't work out...
Demuslim is UK in this statistic I would assume.
The US rank is indeed hard to determine - they have a good depth of ok players, but also have a huge inflation because of early MLGs and the prize-pool of WCS USA 2012 (6 times as high as the one of the Ukraine for example) and NA. If you take away the regional (country, not continent) WCS tourneys of 2012, Ukraine and Germany instantly overtake US. Otherwise everything makes sence, Sweden, Ukraine, France and Poland are the top countries ioutside of korea, who have multiple players with premier championships (Or Stephano in France case), Germany, the US and Canda have deep scenes and several good results, but only HuK/Idra were really part of the champuionship picture.
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Sweden is pretty impressive for a country with only 9 million people =)
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On May 25 2013 01:23 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:13 Mallidon wrote:On May 25 2013 01:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On May 25 2013 01:09 mnck wrote:
Eh, I think you placed the dot at the wrong place in that data shown. Norway for example should be 66.400$ and not 664.00$, its very confusing to look at otherwise. Yeah sorry, saw it now, its fixed. Wait, so its $50,105 for UK? On May 25 2013 01:13 FlukyS wrote:
Not to sound picky but the numbers are incredibly hard to read because of the formatting. Like if its $500.65 in your formatting 500650 would be $500.650 which makes it way too similar to look at. Usually its a , rather than a . for large numbers. Yeah this. Should be , (comma) not . (dot). I am pretty sure Americans use dots while EU use coma, I dont think either one is wrong or right but I can use coma if people prefer it ^^ And yes, of course it 50k$. Otherwise it would be either 500k or 5k, any of those two does not sound very reasonable now do they? x)
Right, so Americans use dots, Europeans use commas. Great. You are Swedish right? Hint hint :D
But yeah, nah I read it as $500 originally and got really confused because of the wrong placing. Thought your stats were way off or something, I should have had more faith 
You've now sorted it out so its all good (well apart from dotgate ofc lol).
Edit - Ahh you've made it into lovely commas! Good job! :D
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thank you stephano lol
with a salary like 600€-800€ you can be a pro gamer in full time in a country like poland, and absolutely not in france for example
that's why i think a regional rank of the different part of europe would be better (west, nordic ..)
ps : btw i don't use this as a fact to explain the lack of level (overall) in france compare to his size or his population, and i don't want to mean anything wrong toward the polish scene(which is for sure one of the best with a huge amount of amazing player)
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I actually got something to add. Pro players define that? just because you make a few dollars playing starcraft 2 doesn't make you a pro gamer. I play poker online and win a few hundred dollars now and again but it defiantly don't make me a pro poker player
I think we have to distinct between full time professionals and part time
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If source is tldb the finland would have in reality much more. Most of finnish events arent even there.
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One thing missing from this list is how big part of the population in each country playing SC2.
I'm guessing US and Germany has a smal amount of players per capita.
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You can use aligulac to filter earnings by country, by the way, if you want to see the top earnings for various countries: Just go to http://aligulac.com/earnings/ and try it: http://aligulac.com/earnings/?page=1&year=all&country=US¤cy=all
Idra is the top earner for the US, unsurprisingly. But generally speaking, there are a lot more players in the US who earned 1000 dollars on average than in other countries, so the US total earnings are higher than expected. Sweden has 12 players earning more than 1000 dollars, while the US has 29!
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On May 25 2013 01:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
I actually got something to add. Pro players define that? just because you make a few dollars playing starcraft 2 doesn't make you a pro gamer. I play poker online and win a few hundred dollars now and again but it defiantly don't make me a pro poker player
I think we have to distinct between full time professionals and part time
Its a the top: "I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings" Of course it is an arbitrary value, but I know this value has been used before so I decided to go with it. You have to draw the line somewhere so it might as well be here.
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On May 25 2013 01:42 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
I actually got something to add. Pro players define that? just because you make a few dollars playing starcraft 2 doesn't make you a pro gamer. I play poker online and win a few hundred dollars now and again but it defiantly don't make me a pro poker player
I think we have to distinct between full time professionals and part time Its a the top: "I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings" Of course it is an arbitrary value, but I know this value has been used before so I decided to go with it. You have to draw the line somewhere so it might as well be here.
Valid point, Still hard to define I feel
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South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005
Not bad considering...
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On May 25 2013 01:41 Conti wrote:You can use aligulac to filter earnings by country, by the way, if you want to see the top earnings for various countries: Just go to http://aligulac.com/earnings/ and try it: http://aligulac.com/earnings/?page=1&year=all&country=US¤cy=allIdra is the top earner for the US, unsurprisingly. But generally speaking, there are a lot more players in the US who earned 1000 dollars on average than in other countries, so the US total earnings are higher than expected. Sweden has 12 players earning more than 1000 dollars, while the US has 29!
That data is out of date and just wrong to some extent:
For instance top 3 Swedes by: http://aligulac.com/earnings/?page=1&year=all&country=SE¤cy=all
NaNiwa The Alliance $79,768
ThorZaIN Evil Geniuses $69,958
SaSe Fnatic $27,389
Top 3 Swedes by SC2earnings:
Naniwa 87,338
Thorzain $79,214
Sjow $45,945
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On May 25 2013 01:42 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
I actually got something to add. Pro players define that? just because you make a few dollars playing starcraft 2 doesn't make you a pro gamer. I play poker online and win a few hundred dollars now and again but it defiantly don't make me a pro poker player
I think we have to distinct between full time professionals and part time Its a the top: "I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings" Of course it is an arbitrary value, but I know this value has been used before so I decided to go with it. You have to draw the line somewhere so it might as well be here.
It might as well be somewhere that makes sense. $1500 in winnings is amateur. My definition would be that pros are full timers who are earning enough in salary/winnings/endorsements to be at least over the poverty line.
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Canada fighting! Huk, Kane and Scarlett will lead us into a new era of glory! (hopefully the hands heal up)
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What about proleague and GSL and GSTL salaries for foreigners out there?
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On May 25 2013 01:46 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:41 Conti wrote:You can use aligulac to filter earnings by country, by the way, if you want to see the top earnings for various countries: Just go to http://aligulac.com/earnings/ and try it: http://aligulac.com/earnings/?page=1&year=all&country=US¤cy=allIdra is the top earner for the US, unsurprisingly. But generally speaking, there are a lot more players in the US who earned 1000 dollars on average than in other countries, so the US total earnings are higher than expected. Sweden has 12 players earning more than 1000 dollars, while the US has 29! That data is out of date and just wrong to some extent: For instance top 3 Swedes by: http://aligulac.com/earnings/?page=1&year=all&country=SE¤cy=allNaNiwa The Alliance $79,768 ThorZaIN Evil Geniuses $69,958 SaSe Fnatic $27,389 Top 3 Swedes by SC2earnings: Naniwa 87,338 Thorzain $79,214 Sjow $45,945
Not wrong, just different. aligulac has some events that sc2earnings does not have, and the other way around. Stephano has $222,091 on aligulac, and $216,305 on sc2earnings, for instance. And then there's the issue of currency conversion..
We're always working on filling the gaps, though.
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On May 25 2013 00:32 4ZakeN87 wrote:
The second issue revolves around USA. It is for several reasons very hard to determine the skill of SC2 in US. First there is the issue that close to all American organizers has an urge to flood each and every one of their tournaments with 50 top Koreans, usually ending with a slaughter of the NA scene. Meanwhile the US scene has a low interaction towards everything else, making it very hard to determine how they match up against other nations. Then there is the fact that US has a great width of players, more pros than any other nation, but few top caliber players. USA is the only country that has this distribution of skill. The fact is that even if you have 20 decent pros they are not going to earn much money in tournament with 20+ pro Koreans. Therefor US are for instance behind Poland in this list. This is because Nerchio and Mana has earned prize money equal to the amount of the top 23 US players combined. So how do the performance of 2 top caliber players compare to the performance of 20 good players? You tell me.
No to derail the thread but SCA was made for this reason. Hopefully it comes back. We need to support the NA scene!
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ive read NL:2 and immediatly had 3 dutch pro players in my head
whats wrong here?
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the strengh of usa players is much lower than most people assume
the top 2 players from at least 10 european countrys are better than the top 2 usa players
the top 3 --- 7
and the top 5 players from at least 3 european countrys are better than the top 5 usa players
which is actually very pathetic for usa
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It would be interesting to see how this has been going from 2010 to 2013, to get a better picture of how the countries had been evolving (for example i am pretty sure that once Koreans kicked in on MLGs, countries like US or Canada went relatively lower). The rise of France with Stephano marching on top of it for example would be awesome to see on a chart.
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On May 25 2013 01:48 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:42 4ZakeN87 wrote:On May 25 2013 01:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
I actually got something to add. Pro players define that? just because you make a few dollars playing starcraft 2 doesn't make you a pro gamer. I play poker online and win a few hundred dollars now and again but it defiantly don't make me a pro poker player
I think we have to distinct between full time professionals and part time Its a the top: "I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings" Of course it is an arbitrary value, but I know this value has been used before so I decided to go with it. You have to draw the line somewhere so it might as well be here. It might as well be somewhere that makes sense. $1500 in winnings is amateur. My definition would be that pros are full timers who are earning enough in salary/winnings/endorsements to be at least over the poverty line.
For me personally I only consider pro gamers players who is playing full time. A player like Nerchio is for me an amateur a very successful amateur though. Players Like Thorzain,Stephano is what I consider professional and it got really nothing to do with there winnings.
But yea that's just my opinion I'm sure there is a lot of different opinion on this issue
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On May 25 2013 02:05 ChriseC wrote:
ive read NL:2 and immediatly had 3 dutch pro players in my head
whats wrong here?
On May 25 2013 00:32 4ZakeN87 wrote:
I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings.
I don't know which pro player you had in mind but he has probably made less then 1500$ in prize earnings.
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Can you replace France with Stephano?
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On May 25 2013 01:48 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:42 4ZakeN87 wrote:On May 25 2013 01:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
I actually got something to add. Pro players define that? just because you make a few dollars playing starcraft 2 doesn't make you a pro gamer. I play poker online and win a few hundred dollars now and again but it defiantly don't make me a pro poker player
I think we have to distinct between full time professionals and part time Its a the top: "I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings" Of course it is an arbitrary value, but I know this value has been used before so I decided to go with it. You have to draw the line somewhere so it might as well be here. It might as well be somewhere that makes sense. $1500 in winnings is amateur. My definition would be that pros are full timers who are earning enough in salary/winnings/endorsements to be at least over the poverty line.
Good definition. Now try to google for info on what salary all the potential pro's are being paid, should just be a few hundred persons, then take into account the prize money earned and finally compare this to the living standards of the respective country. Looking forward to a presentation of the data.
Didn't wanna sound like a douche bag, but my point is that in any statistical enquiry you have to make reasonable simplifications and assumptions or you won't be able to produce any result at all.
A.k.a. a "working definition".
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and together we are the vast nation named FOREIGNIA!
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Stephano carrying France
I'm not surprised Sweden is on top, though.
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France is not so bad in Europe, we have a lot of good players: Stephano, ToD, Dayshi, Adelscott, marinelord, NeoAngel, Minimath... With many other (Aures, Eeel, Psionic, Kenzy etc). + many french Lan and tourneys (championnat francophone) + a good team (Millenium) + large numbers of viewers + lot of casters and events orga (like Iron Squid).
That's better than i excepted in 2010, and we are definitely in the top EU nation in SC2 (that was not the case in the past and in another game).
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It's funny that you post this when I brought up the topic of bringing back Nation Wars considering there are a few guys who want to wave their flags so badly.
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On May 25 2013 01:50 Inimic wrote:
What about proleague and GSL and GSTL salaries for foreigners out there?
I think this is only for event earnings.
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Can someone make the same list "per capita" ?
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On May 25 2013 02:39 Wertheron wrote:
That's better than i excepted in 2010, and we are definitely in the top EU nation in SC2 (that was not the case in the past and in another game).
Only halfway true.
wether it is CS1.6 or now CSGO France was considered a top competitors, hardly on the Top, but always in it.
Same goes for QL (less for Q3) Strenx is among the best QL players.
about BW, Elky (and to some extents Sarens) were really big, Especially Elky.
WC3 ToD, Blatty, FatC (Mister 2:0!) were big names too.
The main difference imho is just that before SC2 the french esport scene was muuuuuuch tinier.
We never reached Sweden, I mean sweden is really the top EU nation when it comes to esports, just look at WC3/Q3/CS and now SC2, but still, far from your last statement.
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On May 25 2013 02:10 tilhorizon wrote:
the strengh of usa players is much lower than most people assume
the top 2 players from at least 10 european countrys are better than the top 2 usa players
the top 3 --- 7
and the top 5 players from at least 3 european countrys are better than the top 5 usa players
which is actually very pathetic for usa
Everyone allready knows USA suck at SC2. We don't need to rub it in any more
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This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.
You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.
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On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005
Not bad considering...
a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though
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On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.
You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.
This isn't really about a measure of skill per se. It's good to think of it as how many pros can the country actually support overall by money coming in via winnings alone. It goes without saying that some countries would be flat-lining without corporate sponsorship and playing at a pro level would be unobtainable. Looking at the numbers for the United States, for example... if it wasn't for alternative income, there would be no way to sustain the number of pros cluttering up the scene. Too many mouths to feed on skill alone.
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On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005
Not bad considering... a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though
Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably.
Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned.
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On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005
Not bad considering... a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though
That´s not true at all. Easy money was all 2010
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France..... all because of Stephano you've got to love him
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On May 25 2013 04:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005
Not bad considering... a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably. Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned.
i think you misunderstood me. i meant that a lot of the money the foreigners won was handed out in tournaments with little Korean competition, meaning foreigners were bound to get a lot of the prize money.
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On May 25 2013 04:11 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 04:03 Acrofales wrote:On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005
Not bad considering... a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably. Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned. i think you misunderstood me. i meant that a lot of the money the foreigners won was handed out in tournaments with little Korean competition, meaning foreigners were bound to get a lot of the prize money.
No check the tournament where the top foreigners won and tell em again that was easy competition. Stephano highest tournament wins is from IPL 3, NASL S3.
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May i suggest adding what i would call: Gross Skill Index(es)
earning per nation divided by (each nation's) population
number of pro player divided by (each nation's) population
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On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.
You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.
how do you define top pros ?
You could say by how they place at tournament but then it's related to earning as well.
There is nothing like top pros, it changes every new season, even at every tournaments.
The OP never said "skill" , he said performance.
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On May 25 2013 03:01 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Can someone make the same list "per capita" ?
I too would like to watch the US's position plummet.
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On May 25 2013 00:32 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Here is my attempt to a little more objective approach to answer the question of which countries that are performing best behind South Korea in SC2. So I have simply summarized prize earnings (PE) of all the pro players from the 16 countries that have above 500.00$ in total earnings. The idea is then of course that prize money is an indicator of “skill”. I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings. Pro players from the entire time span of SC2 are included, thus does the amount of pro players included former pro players as well e.g Jinro and Idra. Meaning that the list does not necessarily reflect who is performing best now, but which countries that has been performing best through SC2 “history”. The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com
On May 25 2013 04:00 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.
You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce. This isn't really about a measure of skill per se. It's good to think of it as how many pros can the country actually support overall by money coming in via winnings alone. It goes without saying that some countries would be flat-lining without corporate sponsorship and playing at a pro level would be unobtainable. Looking at the numbers for the United States, for example... if it wasn't for alternative income, there would be no way to sustain the number of pros cluttering up the scene. Too many mouths to feed on skill alone.
Well whatever you think that this statistic shows, I'm replying to the OP.
On May 25 2013 04:22 anatase wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.
You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce. how do you define top pros ? You could say by how they place at tournament but then it's related to earning as well. There is nothing like top pros, it changes every new season, even at every tournaments. The OP never said "skill" , he said performance.
Yes he did. That's specifically what he said.
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Where are the numbers pulled from?
Edit: Reading the OP is a useful skill toi have.
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24 pro players from the usa??
realy curious who thoose 24 are then
well there is stephano off course and idra but who are the other 22?
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Hahaha I love Stephano. Really surprised at the UK earnings though...
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How many individual Koreans would be in that top 16 list I wonder. Probably don't want to know....
Wouldn't MC top Sweden alone?
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poland rank 3 with Mana and Nerchio haha sick :D
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On May 25 2013 18:02 Grovbolle wrote:Where are the numbers pulled from?
"The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com"
You of all people should know how important it is to read the OP carefully because it usually answers many of the questions asked! :p
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On May 25 2013 18:16 Rassy wrote:
24 pro players from the usa??
realy curious who thoose 24 are then
well there is stephano off course and idra but who are the other 22?
Don't read too much into that lmao.
So who wants to see a return of Nation Wars with a point system like WGTour and we'll hold a Nations Cup for the top 16 at the end? BD
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On May 25 2013 18:36 StarVe wrote:"The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com" You of all people should know how important it is to read the OP carefully because it usually answers many of the questions asked! :p
Was scanning the OP looking for a link. Damn him for not actually making it click-able. :D
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yeah France should just be called stephano lol
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24 from US, that's funny.
Everyone that has some kind of sponsorship is considered a pro or?
Other countries have way more players then also.
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I'm more interested in: where does Korea actually stand? In prize money earned and no. of pro players?
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Now we need the same list while adding in salaries and stream revenues and you will have a different picture.
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Funny how it's always swedes making these kind of threads lol
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I thought it would be interesting to see these stats per capita. I just thought I'd do it myself instead of asking you. Maybe you can add this to the OP?
All list sorted from high to low.
Prize money per million people (per capita * 1.000.000 rounded to whole dollars)
Sweden: 36.645
Norway: 13.113
Finland: 9.380
NL: 5.305
Poland: 4.903
Canada: 4.552
Taiwan: 4.216
France: 4.112
Ukraine: 4.110
Australia: 2.828
Germany: 2.193
Spain: 2.172
UK: 809
US: 601
Russia: 491
China: 124
Progamers per hundred million people (per capita * 100.000.000 rounded to whole people (is this English?))
Sweden: 146
Norway: 79
Finland: 74
Australia: 35
Taiwan: 34
Canada: 29
Germany: 16
Poland: 16
Ukraine: 13
France: 12
NL: 12
Spain: 11
UK: 9
US: 8
Russia: 4
China: 1
Average prize money per progamer per country (rounded to whole dollars)
NL: 44.525
France: 33.738
Poland: 31.491
Ukraine: 31.188
Sweden: 25.059
Spain: 20.439
Norway: 16.600
Canada: 15.958
Germany: 13.835
China: 12.871
Finland: 12.748
Taiwan: 12.299
Russia: 11.735
UK: 8.518
Australia: 8.141
US: 7.861
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On May 25 2013 20:15 Sjokola wrote:
I thought it would be interesting to see these stats per capita. I just thought I'd do it myself instead of asking you. Maybe you can add this to the OP?
i wanted to do the same, but add korea for reference
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France and Poland are 99% only on the list because of Stephano and MaNa.
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Still sad to see so little talent from the netherlands. We might have some people coming up, but as of right now, it´s basically just Ret and Grubby doing the work. =P
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On May 25 2013 21:25 Thalandros wrote:
Still sad to see so little talent from the netherlands. We might have some people coming up, but as of right now, it´s basically just Ret and Grubby doing the work. =P
just Ret and Grubby. I know you're comparing that to a lot of Europe, but that is a pretty good 'just' to me .
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Swedish master race. Not surprising, very expected. Kneel before us.
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You missed the one South African player.
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This may be my ignorance but how is China so high.
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So Stephano has won more than every country except Sweden and S Korea! ROFL
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On May 25 2013 22:20 Beavo wrote:
This may be my ignorance but how is China so high.
It is explained in the post, but it boils down to China having tournaments in China which is mostly attended by Chinese players only. Reversely are they isolated from international competition. I think however that China is on the rise and will have climbed a bit on the list if I update it ~4-5 months.
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Very interesting statistics!
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On May 25 2013 21:12 Purpose88 wrote:
France and Poland are 99% only on the list because of Stephano and MaNa.
correction: Nerchio and Mana
yeah but its more a song of a past when Nerchio was pillaging various online events on daily basis. Now they are both full time on university so...
...TEFEL FTW!11!!11!! TOP1!!! 
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On May 25 2013 00:34 partydude89 wrote:
I'm not surprised to see Sweden that high on the list, a little at how high usa is though.
its just there is more money to win internally in USA then in Ukraine...We dont have any home organized cups.
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Harstem is Dutch as well
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Can we use this data to prove a correlation between average temperature and performance in StarCraft?
I imagine the cold is a reason for people to stay inside and play video games.
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ive giving much thought to what creates a pro gamer in a country. these elements are needed.
dense and varied player base, euro and america have this.
great internet sweden and many of the top euro countries have this and no doubt korea.
countries that suffer are australia, new zealand, south american to some extent and obviously poorer nations that dont have a good connection. Australia suffers both bad connection and locations with a very thin player base.
korea for example is somewhat in the center of asia and hosts the sc2 servers.
when we look the OPs player/country stats we should consider other factors.
on top of that is culture which is a bit harder to pin down.
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On May 25 2013 19:56 kakakaokoakaka91 wrote:
Funny how it's always swedes making these kind of threads lol
Yeah I know and its funny people always commentating about if a poster is Swedish.
I have an account without any national identification for this reason specifically. Thought about using it here to avoid this type of messages.
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