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A rank of foreign countries performance in SC2

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4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 12:57:53
May 24 2013 15:32 GMT
#1
Here is my attempt to a little more objective approach to answer the question of which countries that are performing best behind South Korea in SC2. So I have simply summarized prize earnings (PE) of all the pro players from the 16 countries that have above 500.00$ in total earnings. The idea is then of course that prize money is an indicator of “skill”. I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings. Pro players from the entire time span of SC2 are included, thus does the amount of pro players included former pro players as well e.g Jinro and Idra. Meaning that the list does not necessarily reflect who is performing best now, but which countries that has been performing best through SC2 “history”. The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com

Top 16 nations by prize earnings
Sweden: 350,822$
France: 269,905$
Poland: 188,945$
US: 188,655$
Ukraine: 187,130$
Germany: 179,855$
China: 167,319$
Canada: 159,580$
Spain: 102,195$
Taiwan: 98,390$
NL: 89,050$
Russia: 70,410$
Norway: 66,400$
Australia: 65,125$
UK: 51,105$
Finland: 50,990$


Top 16 nations by number of pro players
US: 24
Sweden: 14
Germany: 13
China: 13
Canada: 10
France: 8
Taiwan: 8
Australia: 8
Poland: 6
Ukraine: 6
Russia: 6
UK: 6
Spain: 5
Norway: 4
Finland: 4
NL: 2


Since people ask about Korea, here is a value I calculated for the WoL period a while back.
Total earnings Korea in WoL: $4,761,164 or 65.6% of the total prize pool $7,237,937

Additional calculations by Sjokola
Prize money per million people (per capita * 1.000.000)
Sweden: 36.645
Norway: 13.113
Finland: 9.380
NL: 5.305
Poland: 4.903
Canada: 4.552
Taiwan: 4.216
France: 4.112
Ukraine: 4.110
Australia: 2.828
Germany: 2.193
Spain: 2.172
UK: 809
US: 601
Russia: 491
China: 124

Progamers per hundred million people (per capita * 100.000.000 rounded off)
Sweden: 146
Norway: 79
Finland: 74
Australia: 35
Taiwan: 34
Canada: 29
Germany: 16
Poland: 16
Ukraine: 13
France: 12
NL: 12
Spain: 11
UK: 9
US: 8
Russia: 4
China: 1

Average prize money per progamer per country
NL: 44.525
France: 33.738
Poland: 31.491
Ukraine: 31.188
Sweden: 25.059
Spain: 20.439
Norway: 16.600
Canada: 15.958
Germany: 13.835
China: 12.871
Finland: 12.748
Taiwan: 12.299
Russia: 11.735
UK: 8.518
Australia: 8.141
US: 7.861


Pros and cons with the ranking
So as many might have suspected Sweden came out on top of the score board, followed by France (Stephano & friends), the third place is narrowly taken by Poland with US and Ukraine close behind.

Will there are some issues with this method do I still believe that the it is a reasonable indicator of performance of a country. If you for instance look at the top 5 countries are those countries the ones that are being mentioned 99% of the times when discussing which nations are the best outside of South Korea. This of course is not a coincidence.

So regarding the issues with this method:
The first issue being that the earnings from international competition and earnings from regional tournaments are not separated. Thus if you use prize earning as a measurement of skill can a countries “skill” be boosted by having a large prize pool in regional tournaments. To be able to accommodate for this (to some extent) I sampled the origin of each countries prize earnings. After some quick research I identified four categories of countries:
Low regional PE (0-5%), Medium regional PE (5-15%), High regional PE (15-40%) and Isolated nations.

Low regional PE: Poland, Ukraine, Canada and Netherlands. I don’t know if local tournaments exist, but if they do they are not included in SC2earnings.com and thus neither in this ranking.
Medium regional PE: Sweden, France, Russia, US, Spain, Finland and UK
High regional PE: Germany, Taiwan and Norway

Thus if one would make a list and base it solely on prize earnings from international competition Canada would for instance be above Germany and Norway would not have made the cut into the list (dat oil money!). Most countries would however remain in the same position even with subtracted regional prize money.

Isolated nations: Australia and China
They both above 50% regional earnings but on the other hand are they also isolated from much of the international competition. So prize earnings are not a suitable measurement of skill in their case, as the amount of prize money does not relate well to their international performance.

The second issue revolves around USA. It is for several reasons very hard to determine the skill of SC2 in US. First there is the issue that close to all American organizers has an urge to flood each and every one of their tournaments with 50 top Koreans, usually ending with a slaughter of the NA scene. Meanwhile the US scene has a low interaction towards everything else, making it very hard to determine how they match up against other nations. Then there is the fact that US has a great width of players, more pros than any other nation, but few top caliber players. USA is the only country that has this distribution of skill. The fact is that even if you have 20 decent pros they are not going to earn much money in tournament with 20+ pro Koreans. Therefor US are for instance behind Poland in this list. This is because Nerchio and Mana has earned prize money equal to the amount of the top 23 US players combined. So how do the performance of 2 top caliber players compare to the performance of 20 good players? You tell me.

To conclude are there issues with this measurement and thus is it not suitable to draw conclusions based on minor difference within it. I however think that the larger patterns are correct. I for instance don’t think it is a coincidence that Sweden happens to end on top (let the flaming commence), that Germany is above UK and so forth.

Anyway, if people think this is interesting I could keep updating it. Maybe after every WCS season to see which nations that are climbing the ladder and which that are declining.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
May 24 2013 15:34 GMT
#2
I'm not surprised to see Sweden that high on the list, a little at how high usa is though.
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 24 2013 15:40 GMT
#3
On May 25 2013 00:34 partydude89 wrote:
I'm not surprised to see Sweden that high on the list, a little at how high usa is though.


well idra has made like 60k, and they have a huge player pool to pick up minor victories
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 24 2013 15:42 GMT
#4
Well we're higher than Finland. I'm notching this one as a win for us. UK UK UK.
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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
May 24 2013 15:42 GMT
#5
France FTW
(Stephano FTW ? :D)
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lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
May 24 2013 15:43 GMT
#6
no taiwan
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
May 24 2013 15:44 GMT
#7
The thousand seperator of the lower countries is 1 to late. Confused the hell out of me

But yeah, surprised Poland and USA are higher than Ukraine, but yer with USA ofcourse there are 4 times more pro players
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
May 24 2013 15:48 GMT
#8
On May 25 2013 00:42 VelJa wrote:
France FTW
(Stephano FTW ? :D)


Pretty much, Stephano has earned 216.000$ out of Frances total 265.000$, or ~81%

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
capiston
Profile Joined February 2011
France372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 15:49:32
May 24 2013 15:49 GMT
#9
On May 25 2013 00:42 VelJa wrote:
France FTW
(Stephano FTW ? :D)

France : $269.905
France without Stephano : $53.600 ...
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Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
May 24 2013 15:52 GMT
#10
Stephano should be his own country imo
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
May 24 2013 15:56 GMT
#11
On May 25 2013 00:52 Ichabod wrote:
Stephano should be his own country imo


Fun factoid! If MC decides to make his own nation one day, BOSSTOSSLAND! , it will be the country second to Korea with most prize earnings! Sitting at 365000$ the guy has won more prize money that any nation outside of Korea x)
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2084 Posts
May 24 2013 15:56 GMT
#12
stephano....jesus fucking christ
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sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States747 Posts
May 24 2013 15:58 GMT
#13
I think seeing something like this for the top 20 teams would be really interesting as well.

Thanks for the statistics.
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
May 24 2013 16:01 GMT
#14
France second with almost one player only haha
E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
May 24 2013 16:03 GMT
#15
8 pro players in france ? did i miss something ? oO
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Roxor9999
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands771 Posts
May 24 2013 16:04 GMT
#16
This doesn't say anything about the current moment.
JesseBunny
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland18 Posts
May 24 2013 16:04 GMT
#17
From where exactly does these prize earning come from? Does 509.90$ or 511.05$ mean 500 dollars or what 0_0
^^
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 16:08:58
May 24 2013 16:05 GMT
#18
Well considering that to name just 2 players from UK (Bling & JonnyREcco) who have both earned over £3000 each in prize money, I don't know how on earth the entire UK earnings can total just over $500.

Edit - or is this average earnings compared to the amount of pro players a country has? Or what? That still wouldn't work out...
Bleh.
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
May 24 2013 16:09 GMT
#19
Eh, I think you placed the dot at the wrong place in that data shown. Norway for example should be 66.400$ and not 664.00$, its very confusing to look at otherwise.
@Munck
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 24 2013 16:10 GMT
#20
Lol Stephano putting French on the map.

Its actually interesting if we take Stephano out of the equation then French not doing that well and considering the size of the country compared to others
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