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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
May 24 2013 19:00 GMT
#61
On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.

You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.


This isn't really about a measure of skill per se. It's good to think of it as how many pros can the country actually support overall by money coming in via winnings alone. It goes without saying that some countries would be flat-lining without corporate sponsorship and playing at a pro level would be unobtainable. Looking at the numbers for the United States, for example... if it wasn't for alternative income, there would be no way to sustain the number of pros cluttering up the scene. Too many mouths to feed on skill alone.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18408 Posts
May 24 2013 19:03 GMT
#62
On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005

Not bad considering...

a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though

Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably.

Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 24 2013 19:03 GMT
#63
On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005

Not bad considering...

a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though


That´s not true at all. Easy money was all 2010
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invisigoat
Profile Joined March 2013
184 Posts
May 24 2013 19:11 GMT
#64
France..... all because of Stephano you've got to love him
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
May 24 2013 19:11 GMT
#65
On May 25 2013 04:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005

Not bad considering...

a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though

Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably.

Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned.

i think you misunderstood me. i meant that a lot of the money the foreigners won was handed out in tournaments with little Korean competition, meaning foreigners were bound to get a lot of the prize money.
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 24 2013 19:15 GMT
#66
On May 25 2013 04:11 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 04:03 Acrofales wrote:
On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005

Not bad considering...

a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though

Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably.

Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned.

i think you misunderstood me. i meant that a lot of the money the foreigners won was handed out in tournaments with little Korean competition, meaning foreigners were bound to get a lot of the prize money.


No check the tournament where the top foreigners won and tell em again that was easy competition. Stephano highest tournament wins is from IPL 3, NASL S3.
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DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
May 24 2013 19:21 GMT
#67
May i suggest adding what i would call: Gross Skill Index(es)
earning per nation divided by (each nation's) population
number of pro player divided by (each nation's) population
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anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
May 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#68
On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.

You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.



how do you define top pros ?
You could say by how they place at tournament but then it's related to earning as well.

There is nothing like top pros, it changes every new season, even at every tournaments.

The OP never said "skill" , he said performance.
mousewiz
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada18 Posts
May 24 2013 19:33 GMT
#69
On May 25 2013 03:01 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Can someone make the same list "per capita" ?

I too would like to watch the US's position plummet.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
May 25 2013 08:52 GMT
#70
On May 25 2013 00:32 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Here is my attempt to a little more objective approach to answer the question of which countries that are performing best behind South Korea in SC2. So I have simply summarized prize earnings (PE) of all the pro players from the 16 countries that have above 500.00$ in total earnings. The idea is then of course that prize money is an indicator of “skill”. I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings. Pro players from the entire time span of SC2 are included, thus does the amount of pro players included former pro players as well e.g Jinro and Idra. Meaning that the list does not necessarily reflect who is performing best now, but which countries that has been performing best through SC2 “history”. The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com

On May 25 2013 04:00 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.

You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.

This isn't really about a measure of skill per se. It's good to think of it as how many pros can the country actually support overall by money coming in via winnings alone. It goes without saying that some countries would be flat-lining without corporate sponsorship and playing at a pro level would be unobtainable. Looking at the numbers for the United States, for example... if it wasn't for alternative income, there would be no way to sustain the number of pros cluttering up the scene. Too many mouths to feed on skill alone.


Well whatever you think that this statistic shows, I'm replying to the OP.

On May 25 2013 04:22 anatase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.

You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.

how do you define top pros ?
You could say by how they place at tournament but then it's related to earning as well.

There is nothing like top pros, it changes every new season, even at every tournaments.

The OP never said "skill" , he said performance.

Yes he did. That's specifically what he said.
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 09:51:50
May 25 2013 09:02 GMT
#71
Where are the numbers pulled from?

Edit: Reading the OP is a useful skill toi have.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 09:18:24
May 25 2013 09:16 GMT
#72
24 pro players from the usa??
realy curious who thoose 24 are then

well there is stephano off course and idra but who are the other 22?
Inertia_EU
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom513 Posts
May 25 2013 09:21 GMT
#73
Hahaha I love Stephano. Really surprised at the UK earnings though...
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 09:33:25
May 25 2013 09:32 GMT
#74
How many individual Koreans would be in that top 16 list I wonder. Probably don't want to know....

Wouldn't MC top Sweden alone?
Clare4
Profile Joined December 2012
Austria72 Posts
May 25 2013 09:34 GMT
#75
poland rank 3 with Mana and Nerchio haha sick :D
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 25 2013 09:36 GMT
#76
On May 25 2013 18:02 Grovbolle wrote:
Where are the numbers pulled from?

"The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com"

You of all people should know how important it is to read the OP carefully because it usually answers many of the questions asked! :p
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 25 2013 09:48 GMT
#77
On May 25 2013 18:16 Rassy wrote:
24 pro players from the usa??
realy curious who thoose 24 are then

well there is stephano off course and idra but who are the other 22?


Don't read too much into that lmao.

So who wants to see a return of Nation Wars with a point system like WGTour and we'll hold a Nations Cup for the top 16 at the end? BD
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3814 Posts
May 25 2013 09:51 GMT
#78
On May 25 2013 18:36 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 18:02 Grovbolle wrote:
Where are the numbers pulled from?

"The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com"

You of all people should know how important it is to read the OP carefully because it usually answers many of the questions asked! :p

Was scanning the OP looking for a link. Damn him for not actually making it click-able. :D
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 25 2013 09:54 GMT
#79
yeah France should just be called stephano lol
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n0ave
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
May 25 2013 10:12 GMT
#80
24 from US, that's funny.

Everyone that has some kind of sponsorship is considered a pro or?
Other countries have way more players then also.
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