• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:44
CEST 10:44
KST 17:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes79BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Soulkey on ASL S20 ASL TICKET LIVE help! :D ASL20 General Discussion NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2016 users

A rank of foreign countries performance in SC2 - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
May 24 2013 19:00 GMT
#61
On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.

You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.


This isn't really about a measure of skill per se. It's good to think of it as how many pros can the country actually support overall by money coming in via winnings alone. It goes without saying that some countries would be flat-lining without corporate sponsorship and playing at a pro level would be unobtainable. Looking at the numbers for the United States, for example... if it wasn't for alternative income, there would be no way to sustain the number of pros cluttering up the scene. Too many mouths to feed on skill alone.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18054 Posts
May 24 2013 19:03 GMT
#62
On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005

Not bad considering...

a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though

Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably.

Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 24 2013 19:03 GMT
#63
On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005

Not bad considering...

a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though


That´s not true at all. Easy money was all 2010
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
invisigoat
Profile Joined March 2013
184 Posts
May 24 2013 19:11 GMT
#64
France..... all because of Stephano you've got to love him
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
May 24 2013 19:11 GMT
#65
On May 25 2013 04:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005

Not bad considering...

a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though

Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably.

Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned.

i think you misunderstood me. i meant that a lot of the money the foreigners won was handed out in tournaments with little Korean competition, meaning foreigners were bound to get a lot of the prize money.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 24 2013 19:15 GMT
#66
On May 25 2013 04:11 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 04:03 Acrofales wrote:
On May 25 2013 03:47 Schelim wrote:
On May 25 2013 01:46 Shunjal wrote:
South Korea - $5,333,820
Rest of World - $2,574,005

Not bad considering...

a lot of that prize money was handed out in tournaments with no or very few Koreans though

Well... most of the time even when foreigners were there, they either didn't qualify, or got knocked out before the big money rounds. Only two players really made any money in the GSL: Jinro and Huk. Naniwa and Idra did okay. Everybody else just failed miserably.

Also, alot of the money comes from things like NASL, Dreamhack, MLG and WCS. Even if you disregard all of GSL Korea will be on top of the food chain in prize money earned.

i think you misunderstood me. i meant that a lot of the money the foreigners won was handed out in tournaments with little Korean competition, meaning foreigners were bound to get a lot of the prize money.


No check the tournament where the top foreigners won and tell em again that was easy competition. Stephano highest tournament wins is from IPL 3, NASL S3.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
May 24 2013 19:21 GMT
#67
May i suggest adding what i would call: Gross Skill Index(es)
earning per nation divided by (each nation's) population
number of pro player divided by (each nation's) population
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
May 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#68
On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.

You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.



how do you define top pros ?
You could say by how they place at tournament but then it's related to earning as well.

There is nothing like top pros, it changes every new season, even at every tournaments.

The OP never said "skill" , he said performance.
mousewiz
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada18 Posts
May 24 2013 19:33 GMT
#69
On May 25 2013 03:01 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Can someone make the same list "per capita" ?

I too would like to watch the US's position plummet.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
May 25 2013 08:52 GMT
#70
On May 25 2013 00:32 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Here is my attempt to a little more objective approach to answer the question of which countries that are performing best behind South Korea in SC2. So I have simply summarized prize earnings (PE) of all the pro players from the 16 countries that have above 500.00$ in total earnings. The idea is then of course that prize money is an indicator of “skill”. I defined a “pro” as player with above 1500$ in prize earnings. Pro players from the entire time span of SC2 are included, thus does the amount of pro players included former pro players as well e.g Jinro and Idra. Meaning that the list does not necessarily reflect who is performing best now, but which countries that has been performing best through SC2 “history”. The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com

On May 25 2013 04:00 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.

You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.

This isn't really about a measure of skill per se. It's good to think of it as how many pros can the country actually support overall by money coming in via winnings alone. It goes without saying that some countries would be flat-lining without corporate sponsorship and playing at a pro level would be unobtainable. Looking at the numbers for the United States, for example... if it wasn't for alternative income, there would be no way to sustain the number of pros cluttering up the scene. Too many mouths to feed on skill alone.


Well whatever you think that this statistic shows, I'm replying to the OP.

On May 25 2013 04:22 anatase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:34 Subversive wrote:
This system for measuring "skill" in a country is pretty silly. Some countries just randomly have one amazing player, so they single-handedly are near the top of the list.

You don't need to look at earnings. Go right to the source and look at how many top pros they produce.

how do you define top pros ?
You could say by how they place at tournament but then it's related to earning as well.

There is nothing like top pros, it changes every new season, even at every tournaments.

The OP never said "skill" , he said performance.

Yes he did. That's specifically what he said.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3807 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 09:51:50
May 25 2013 09:02 GMT
#71
Where are the numbers pulled from?

Edit: Reading the OP is a useful skill toi have.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 09:18:24
May 25 2013 09:16 GMT
#72
24 pro players from the usa??
realy curious who thoose 24 are then

well there is stephano off course and idra but who are the other 22?
Inertia_EU
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom513 Posts
May 25 2013 09:21 GMT
#73
Hahaha I love Stephano. Really surprised at the UK earnings though...
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 09:33:25
May 25 2013 09:32 GMT
#74
How many individual Koreans would be in that top 16 list I wonder. Probably don't want to know....

Wouldn't MC top Sweden alone?
Clare4
Profile Joined December 2012
Austria72 Posts
May 25 2013 09:34 GMT
#75
poland rank 3 with Mana and Nerchio haha sick :D
"never give up, never surrender" Lim Yo Hwan SKT1_BoxeR
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 25 2013 09:36 GMT
#76
On May 25 2013 18:02 Grovbolle wrote:
Where are the numbers pulled from?

"The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com"

You of all people should know how important it is to read the OP carefully because it usually answers many of the questions asked! :p
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 25 2013 09:48 GMT
#77
On May 25 2013 18:16 Rassy wrote:
24 pro players from the usa??
realy curious who thoose 24 are then

well there is stephano off course and idra but who are the other 22?


Don't read too much into that lmao.

So who wants to see a return of Nation Wars with a point system like WGTour and we'll hold a Nations Cup for the top 16 at the end? BD
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3807 Posts
May 25 2013 09:51 GMT
#78
On May 25 2013 18:36 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 18:02 Grovbolle wrote:
Where are the numbers pulled from?

"The prize money statistics I got from SC2earnings.com"

You of all people should know how important it is to read the OP carefully because it usually answers many of the questions asked! :p

Was scanning the OP looking for a link. Damn him for not actually making it click-able. :D
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 25 2013 09:54 GMT
#79
yeah France should just be called stephano lol
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
n0ave
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
May 25 2013 10:12 GMT
#80
24 from US, that's funny.

Everyone that has some kind of sponsorship is considered a pro or?
Other countries have way more players then also.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 177
ProTech79
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 1353
Rush 204
Leta 149
Dewaltoss 59
Rock 27
Nal_rA 24
Mind 17
NotJumperer 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Sharp 11
[ Show more ]
SilentControl 9
Dota 2
XcaliburYe89
League of Legends
JimRising 449
Counter-Strike
olofmeister685
shoxiejesuss418
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King54
Westballz33
Other Games
crisheroes385
Happy262
Hui .176
byalli154
NeuroSwarm59
Trikslyr21
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH238
• LUISG 34
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
1h 17m
Zoun vs Classic
Map Test Tournament
2h 17m
Korean StarCraft League
18h 17m
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
23h 17m
RSL Revival
1d 1h
Reynor vs Cure
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
1d 23h
RSL Revival
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.