EPTOn May 24 2013 13:41 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm
bahahaha
Youngest Grand Master player? - Page 5
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KapsyL
Sweden704 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On May 24 2013 23:13 FCReverie wrote: Treat a 13 year old GM how you would treat any other GM Sure. Overall, being in GM is a pretty damn impressive achievement, no matter whom you are. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
as for prime, belief that you're well past your prime in 20s in just bullshit. Problem with current old generation is that they didn't grew up with video games. That crucial time of development in young age is something they miss. Today, when kids grew up with video games they are used to it, used to think like gamer and play like real gamer. They will be able to play till their 30's easily. Only problem that still exist is time when you need to quit fooling around and start living real life. But there's no "max age" because it's not the same if you compare 2 30 year old guys if 1 started gaming in the age od 5 and other when he was 25. I don't see any sport/activity where you're at 30 so much worse than when you're 18, quite on contrary. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On May 24 2013 19:57 Vansetsu wrote: I think you are correct with this assumption. And if you grew up using a computer and didn't mess with consoles, and SC2 or rts was the only thing you played mostly, your mechanics could be godlike. I know between the age of 10-17 were my best gaming years by far. There's good and bad aspects to learning young. If you learn bad, you'll have a hard time breaking those habits. Its also funny to think of a player whose hands are too small to stretch to the ctrl key. I'd say the youngest to start would be 7-8 years old. Maybe GM 11-12 years old, if there really fast 10. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On May 25 2013 00:12 bLah. wrote: age 12+ is basically point when you should not be surprised by someones skill compared to age. 10-12 is also age when kids in normal sports (football for example) start learning tactics and stuff because at younger age they don't really understand it. as for prime, belief that you're well past your prime in 20s in just bullshit. Problem with current old generation is that they didn't grew up with video games. That crucial time of development in young age is something they miss. Today, when kids grew up with video games they are used to it, used to think like gamer and play like real gamer. They will be able to play till their 30's easily. Only problem that still exist is time when you need to quit fooling around and start living real life. But there's no "max age" because it's not the same if you compare 2 30 year old guys if 1 started gaming in the age od 5 and other when he was 25. I don't see any sport/activity where you're at 30 so much worse than when you're 18, quite on contrary. Well there was some research done on BW players and your reactions ect lower when you get older. But how old is this "old generation" you are talking about. The first rts I played was Dune 2 and it came out in 92. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On May 25 2013 00:12 bLah. wrote: Problem with current old generation is that they didn't grew up with video games. A current 40-45 year old who plays video games today was likely to have been playing (very demanding) video games at age 10.  | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On May 25 2013 00:36 Lysenko wrote: A current 40-45 year old who plays video games today was likely to have been playing (very demanding) video games at age 10. I don't think so. I'm 30, and the NES came out when I was very young. Most people didn't own a system before that. Props to my parents though, they had the original Odyssey system with Space Invaders and all that stuff before I was even born. | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On May 24 2013 17:14 Rabiator wrote: That may be fine for you, but can you guarantee that it works for all? We (the society as a whole) can not afford to "lose" the potentially smart kids (having an affinity for computer games and thus the computer puts you in the "potentially" smart category) just because they wasted the most important time of their life on playing a game instead of going out and making friends. You have to have those skills to become a member of society and thus a blanket "it works fine for me, so there should be no limit whatsoever" can never ever be the right way to look at things. Since you are a kid you have no experience in how much really is needed; wisdom is something that only comes with age (AND experience). High grades are relative as a criterion as well, because schools have some nonsense requirements today. Being really fast at running probably "comes naturally" to you and isnt something which you had to train long and hard for, right? That has something to do with "speed muscles" being relatively prominent for you compared to other kids. So this part of your argument doesnt really count. Btw. ... how old are you? How much time do you actually spend with friends ... outside school in face-to-face company? Most important question: Are you spending the time to be in GM or not? Yeah so.. you're telling him that his example is invalid because it works "just for him" while making a general statement about what teenagers 12-16 should and should not be doing? Of course it isn't recommended for one person to spend ALL of their time doing something which they can't live of of later on, but just like DinosaurPoop's situation isn't true for everyone, neither is yours. I also find it weird you would say society would lose someone if they decided they wouldn't make friends. What about introverts? What about people who don't desire a lot of friends and would rather spend time on their own? What about simply living in an environment without people who share your interests? There are many other useful skills besides "social skills" which are more useful to society than sharing stories about who kissed who last night. Like there are "speed muscles", there are also people who can get pretty close to GM while doing other stuff with their lives or dedicating themselves to a different activity. And there are a number of benefits too: Learning to dedicate yourself to a project, strategic thinking, learning from mistakes, learning to handle disappointment, learning how to effectively spend time, which helps with A LOT of jobs. Also, which specific social skill would one train being face to face which can't be trained online? You might want to tell the current generation, considering like 90% turned into smartphone zombies. There are many ways of living a happy life and making the world a better place, which makes me feel like your idea, while being one of the valid ways to live a great life, is way too limited. --- OT: I think it's amazing having all these young talents, it would be pretty fun to know who the youngest (and oldest) person is, like we know Flash is the youngest OSL winner, Life is the youngest GSL winner and Mind is the youngest MSL Winner. It would be fun to have a summarizing topic I guess, so we know who to keep our eye on (: | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On May 25 2013 00:36 Eatme wrote: Well there was some research done on BW players and your reactions ect lower when you get older. But how old is this "old generation" you are talking about. The first rts I played was Dune 2 and it came out in 92. actually most of reaserches are young vs new, I didn't really find anyone measured through couple of years with some extensive tests. As for old generation, yea but it wasn't gaming (games were mechanically and strategicaly shit) nor was it widespread. Keep in mind that Korea got their gaming just before Starcraft came out (which is basically one of the main reasons why it was so popular) I mean, you become worse as you grow older but that starts way later in life, it doesn't start when you're 20-25. I also remember being A LOT better at fps games when I was 13, but that was because I played 7h a day instead of 1 like I do now. There's no way that 13yo me would be able to compete against me now if I continued to practice. | ||
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AKomrade
United States582 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
On May 25 2013 00:39 Cel.erity wrote: I don't think so. I'm 30, and the NES came out when I was very young. Most people didn't own a system before that. Props to my parents though, they had the original Odyssey system with Space Invaders and all that stuff before I was even born. I was born in 75 and started with Atari. NES had some pretty tough games. Duck Hunt past the first 10-15 levels becomes pretty tense. Metal Gear was one of my first 'rage inducer'. The alarm/alert noise still ticks me off. Tall as I am, I never fit in the cardboard box properly :D 13 year old GM is impressive, if only because young and old gamers alike have become more sophisticated over the years. Tougher competition, more competition. The Wizard movie with Fred Savage almost looks a bit prophetic with me watching E-Sports devolp as it has as I near 40. | ||
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ActionJesuz
Denmark32 Posts
On May 24 2013 23:33 Meridian wrote: If you're younger it just means you have more time on your hands, doesn't make it any more impressive. Of course it's more impressive to achieve GM rank the younger you are. Personally it would be a hillarious tournament to see all the old experienced guys getting wooped by some kiddo It's simple... basicly the impressive part is that they(he) can compete with older guys whoms brains are way more developed. It's awesome! | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2382 Posts
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote: It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult. Good thing you don't need a brain to get GM on NA | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On May 25 2013 02:50 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Good thing you don't need a brain to get GM on NA LOL | ||
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tehredbanditt
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sva
United States747 Posts
I think this is a interesting subject, and hopefully this leads to lots of future pro players. | ||
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reps)Defi
Russian Federation337 Posts
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FreedomMurder
Canada200 Posts
On May 24 2013 18:40 Saumure wrote: And as for mt Everest, it is way more interesting to know who is the oldest one... An 80 year old Japanese man recently became the oldest person to summit everest. | ||
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
i got gm at 15, age is pretty irrelevant. | ||
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