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Youngest Grand Master player?

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CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 04:38:42
May 24 2013 04:25 GMT
#1
I know a couple kids here from SoCal who are 15 years old who are Grand Masters, pretty amazing kids. They placed pretty dang high in our most recent tournament here. Boyo and Illusion were 15 I think when they first got popular.

I've heard of a few 14yo GMs - Pyre and HeroMarine at 14 years old.

But then we've got this one kid down here who is 13 year old prodigy, beat Gretorp (GM) at our local SoCal tournament, he's 1259 Rank 1 Masters as of 1 minute ago.

So it made me think, who is the youngest Grand Master player ever, on all 3 servers? If this 13 year old kid goes GM, would he be the youngest SC2 GM to date?
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synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
May 24 2013 04:26 GMT
#2
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


User was warned for this post
QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
May 24 2013 04:28 GMT
#3
Me, what do I get?
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Ratch!
Profile Joined June 2012
Peru258 Posts
May 24 2013 04:29 GMT
#4
On May 24 2013 13:26 synd wrote:
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


Knowing doesnt hurt.
askmc70
Profile Joined March 2012
United States722 Posts
May 24 2013 04:29 GMT
#5
your age doesnt matter in starcraft
CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 04:30:53
May 24 2013 04:29 GMT
#6
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

Likewise, with the skills, strategy, and intelligence, focus, training, coordination and mechanics required with StarCraft as a competitive game especially, I think that young peoples' accomplishments are even more impressive when they're that young. What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?

On May 24 2013 13:29 Ratch! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:26 synd wrote:
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


Knowing doesnt hurt.


Thanks.
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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
May 24 2013 04:32 GMT
#7
I got gm when I was 14, but wasnt pro. 2012 season 2
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synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
May 24 2013 04:32 GMT
#8
On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

Likewise, with the skills, strategy, and intelligence, focus, training, coordination and mechanics required with StarCraft as a competitive game especially, I think that young peoples' accomplishments are even more impressive when they're that young. What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 Ratch! wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:26 synd wrote:
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


Knowing doesnt hurt.


Thanks.

Really solid defence. You justify the thread we get like every week or so by telling me I picked my nose at that age or whatever offensive shit you'll say.
andeh
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States904 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 04:33:53
May 24 2013 04:33 GMT
#9
(Z)Life?
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
May 24 2013 04:34 GMT
#10
On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
Likewise, with the skills, strategy, and intelligence, focus, training, coordination and mechanics required with StarCraft as a competitive game especially, I think that young peoples' accomplishments are even more impressive when they're that young. What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?

Playing BW and representing Team Canada in international hockey tournaments. You?
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
May 24 2013 04:35 GMT
#11
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 24 2013 04:35 GMT
#12
Maru played in GSL open season 1 when he was 12 years old. He wasn't just GM, he was a fucking GSL contender in Korea.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 04:36:07
May 24 2013 04:35 GMT
#13
But then we've got this one kid down here who is 13 year old prodigy, beat Gretorp (GM) at our local SoCal tournament, he's 1259 Rank 1 Masters as of 1 minute ago.


whats his name?
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knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
May 24 2013 04:36 GMT
#14
On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

Likewise, with the skills, strategy, and intelligence required with StarCraft as a competitive game especially, I think that young peoples' accomplishments are even more impressive when they're that young. What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 Ratch! wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:26 synd wrote:
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


Knowing doesnt hurt.


Thanks.

I wouldn't say it's more impressive because they're young at all. For one thing, you don't need to be that intelligent to play starcraft at a high level. Secondly, kids around that age have a lot more time than just about everyone else to play, except pro players of course.

Also, being a kid and climbing Everest is hard because you don't have the muscle and endurance to climb it, whereas in starcraft, a kid has everything he or she needs to be good. Now, I'm sure there are some other factors that come in to play here, though I don't think it's anywhere near as big of a deal as people make it out to be, just look at Life lol.
ROOTIllusion
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
May 24 2013 04:37 GMT
#15
On May 24 2013 13:25 CableStarcraft wrote:
I know a couple kids here from SoCal who are 15 years old who are Grand Masters, pretty amazing kids. Boyo and Illusion were 15 I think when they first got popular. They placed pretty dang high in our most recent

I've heard of a few 14yo GMs - Pyre and HeroMarine at 14 years old.

But then we've got this one kid down here who is 13 year old prodigy, beat Gretorp (GM) at our local SoCal tournament, he's 1259 Rank 1 Masters as of 1 minute ago.

So it made me think, who is the youngest Grand Master player ever, on all 3 servers? If this 13 year old kid goes GM, would he be the youngest SC2 GM to date?

Damn that insult LOL
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CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 04:44:41
May 24 2013 04:40 GMT
#16
On May 24 2013 13:32 intense555 wrote:
I got gm when I was 14, but wasnt pro. 2012 season 2


One of our local SoCal hero kids!

On May 24 2013 13:37 mouzIllusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:25 CableStarcraft wrote:
I know a couple kids here from SoCal who are 15 years old who are Grand Masters, pretty amazing kids. Boyo and Illusion were 15 I think when they first got popular. They placed pretty dang high in our most recent

I've heard of a few 14yo GMs - Pyre and HeroMarine at 14 years old.

But then we've got this one kid down here who is 13 year old prodigy, beat Gretorp (GM) at our local SoCal tournament, he's 1259 Rank 1 Masters as of 1 minute ago.

So it made me think, who is the youngest Grand Master player ever, on all 3 servers? If this 13 year old kid goes GM, would he be the youngest SC2 GM to date?

Damn that insult LOL


You caught my really unfortunate disorganized sentence, sorry. Fixed in OP.

But did I mess something up in your age? You're one of the ones I'd say is incredibly impressive at such a young age.
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Wojciech Zywny
Profile Joined April 2013
Poland271 Posts
May 24 2013 04:41 GMT
#17
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 24 2013 04:43 GMT
#18
Yeah age doesn't matter anyways, just because you made it to GM at a young age doesn't mean you'll be godly when you get older. Anyways, we should really be looking at KR anyways, because the other servers are significantly easier to get to GM. My guess would probably be the younger pros, most likely someone like Maru?
CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 04:52:02
May 24 2013 04:45 GMT
#19
On May 24 2013 13:35 Tachion wrote:
Maru played in GSL open season 1 when he was 12 years old. He wasn't just GM, he was a fucking GSL contender in Korea.


From LP - 1st Season of GSL ((Wiki)2010 TG Sambo Intel StarCraft II Open Season 1) - 2010-08-28

(Wiki)Maru Birthdate (nonKorean age) - July 28, 1997

That makes him 13yo right? That's the same age as this kid, absolutely amazing.

On May 24 2013 13:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
But then we've got this one kid down here who is 13 year old prodigy, beat Gretorp (GM) at our local SoCal tournament, he's 1259 Rank 1 Masters as of 1 minute ago.


whats his name?


Arium is his IGN. Plays Protoss.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
May 24 2013 04:47 GMT
#20
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Not in such a way that has a significant impact on the performance of an RTS game.
Refer to my post.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
May 24 2013 04:47 GMT
#21
Hmm, don't know at what age (T)Xenocider got into GM, but I know he was when he was 14 at the oldest.
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 24 2013 04:49 GMT
#22
On May 24 2013 13:45 CableStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:35 Tachion wrote:
Maru played in GSL open season 1 when he was 12 years old. He wasn't just GM, he was a fucking GSL contender in Korea.


From LP - 1st Season of GSL ((Wiki)2010 TG Sambo Intel StarCraft II Open Season 1) - 2010-08-28

Maru Birthdate (nonKorean age) - July 28, 1997

That makes him 13yo right? That's the same age as this kid, absolutely amazing.

Yep my bad. I got his GSL debut and birthday months backwards.
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
May 24 2013 04:51 GMT
#23
Baby pokebunny :3
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dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 04:56:07
May 24 2013 04:52 GMT
#24
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.



only in certain ways. there are a lot of things that children learn much more easily than adults.

there are even certain mental activities where you peak when you're in your early 20's (music/math/chess), and people who are like 13-15 can compete with grown adults who have been working at those things for many years.

this reaction just mainly comes from our educational system which encourages this view that children are somehow stupider versions of adults.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 24 2013 04:53 GMT
#25
Also of note is Baby, who was 12 when he got picked up by WeMade Fox.
Isaac
Profile Joined August 2010
United States810 Posts
May 24 2013 04:53 GMT
#26
maru is 15 right now, and i can only imagine he is in GM. . .he was 13 i think when he debuted...
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Race is Terran
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States382 Posts
May 24 2013 04:54 GMT
#27
I think video games, especially an RTS game like sc2 can have a significant effect on the intellectual capacities of the players brain over a longer period of time (pays dividends throughout life)
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
May 24 2013 04:56 GMT
#28
This thread reeks of pedophilia.
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CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
May 24 2013 04:57 GMT
#29
On May 24 2013 13:43 Thrillz wrote:
Yeah age doesn't matter anyways, just because you made it to GM at a young age doesn't mean you'll be godly when you get older. Anyways, we should really be looking at KR anyways, because the other servers are significantly easier to get to GM. My guess would probably be the younger pros, most likely someone like Maru?


On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


I don't understand this line of thought. Could one of you fully explain it to me? Because as far as I know, being a young skilled chess player, being a young and skilled musician, being a young and skilled scholar -- all are looked at as incredible talent. We liken StarCraft to chess on crack all the time.

How does someone's age not matter in starcraft? There are factors like focus, maturity, discipline, ability to learn from your mistakes, ability to repeat a build consistently, ability to make strategic decisions based on your opponent, positional strategy, coordination of your fingers to what your brain is telling them to do, etc. These are no menial tasks.
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lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
May 24 2013 04:59 GMT
#30
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft

It does because cognitive development is not complete until your 20s.
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PSdualwielder
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada77 Posts
May 24 2013 05:02 GMT
#31
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.


Many brains out there of a higher age aren't very developed either. XD
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dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 05:05:52
May 24 2013 05:03 GMT
#32
On May 24 2013 13:57 CableStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:43 Thrillz wrote:
Yeah age doesn't matter anyways, just because you made it to GM at a young age doesn't mean you'll be godly when you get older. Anyways, we should really be looking at KR anyways, because the other servers are significantly easier to get to GM. My guess would probably be the younger pros, most likely someone like Maru?


Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


I don't understand this line of thought. Could one of you fully explain it to me? Because as far as I know, being a young skilled chess player, being a young and skilled musician, being a young and skilled scholar -- all are looked at as incredible talent. We liken StarCraft to chess on crack all the time.

How does someone's age not matter in starcraft? There are factors like focus, maturity, discipline, ability to learn from your mistakes, ability to repeat a build consistently, ability to make strategic decisions based on your opponent, positional strategy, coordination of your fingers to what your brain is telling them to do, etc. These are no menial tasks.


as i mentioned above, being young doesn't mean you're INFERIOR at learning things.

there are some things children aren't good at, like self control, mental discipline, but there are a lot of things that they can develop at a much more rapid rate than adults.

most of what you list in starcraft isn't stuff you're even really actively thinking about, its just drilling and repeat.

just look at famous chess players, mathematicians, musicians almost all of them were good at a young age and practiced a lot then, by the time they're around 13-15, they are competing with adults who have put many years into their endeavours.

in fact i would say if you HAVEN'T become recognized by that age, you probably will not become a superstar in those areas.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 05:05:15
May 24 2013 05:04 GMT
#33
On May 24 2013 13:56 ppshchik wrote:
This thread reeks of pedophilia.


Absolutely not. I don't know where you could possibly find this in any post here.

I feel that you said that without actually reading what people said, in a similar fashion that standard media say that violent games cause mass shooting.

You may think it's linked, but there's nothing to support your claims.

Edit : Shit, I fed the troll, sorry ><
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
May 24 2013 05:06 GMT
#34
Don't matter. Koreans.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
May 24 2013 05:07 GMT
#35
On May 24 2013 13:37 mouzIllusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:25 CableStarcraft wrote:
I know a couple kids here from SoCal who are 15 years old who are Grand Masters, pretty amazing kids. Boyo and Illusion were 15 I think when they first got popular. They placed pretty dang high in our most recent

I've heard of a few 14yo GMs - Pyre and HeroMarine at 14 years old.

But then we've got this one kid down here who is 13 year old prodigy, beat Gretorp (GM) at our local SoCal tournament, he's 1259 Rank 1 Masters as of 1 minute ago.

So it made me think, who is the youngest Grand Master player ever, on all 3 servers? If this 13 year old kid goes GM, would he be the youngest SC2 GM to date?

Damn that insult LOL


Apparently no1 else has seen what you meant yet. Lol
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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
May 24 2013 05:09 GMT
#36
On May 24 2013 14:07 -Kyo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:37 mouzIllusion wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:25 CableStarcraft wrote:
I know a couple kids here from SoCal who are 15 years old who are Grand Masters, pretty amazing kids. Boyo and Illusion were 15 I think when they first got popular. They placed pretty dang high in our most recent

I've heard of a few 14yo GMs - Pyre and HeroMarine at 14 years old.

But then we've got this one kid down here who is 13 year old prodigy, beat Gretorp (GM) at our local SoCal tournament, he's 1259 Rank 1 Masters as of 1 minute ago.

So it made me think, who is the youngest Grand Master player ever, on all 3 servers? If this 13 year old kid goes GM, would he be the youngest SC2 GM to date?

Damn that insult LOL


Apparently no1 else has seen what you meant yet. Lol

LOOL PYRE WAS 16 not 14 xD
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
May 24 2013 05:11 GMT
#37
On May 24 2013 13:56 ppshchik wrote:
This thread reeks of pedophilia.


lol, I'd be curious to see who is the youngest GM Zerg player.
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Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
May 24 2013 05:12 GMT
#38
What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?


Thinking about rock and roll and boobs. I was a pretty awesome kid.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
May 24 2013 05:13 GMT
#39
I think there used to be a pretty young and good swedish player?
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CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
May 24 2013 05:18 GMT
#40
On May 24 2013 14:12 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?


Thinking about rock and roll and boobs. I was a pretty awesome kid.


Well I guess I was just commenting on what I was doing at 13 lol.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
May 24 2013 05:19 GMT
#41
On a sidenote. Who is the oldest GM player?
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 24 2013 05:25 GMT
#42
heromarine was 13 when he got gm i think too (or 12 dont know)
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
May 24 2013 05:31 GMT
#43
Baby was the youngest pro-player ever, which imho is more impressive considering he did that during the reign of BW. He was 12 when signed to WeMade and when he was 9 years old was all ready almost taking large prestigious tournaments.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 08:36:46
May 24 2013 05:34 GMT
#44
Honestly, I was better at rtses (I understood the eco and army comp / movement and mechanics so much easier) and I was in general quicker apmwise when I was much younger (read age of 11-16). I assume it would be the same for others,so I genuinly dont understand why its so impressive to be young and good at rtses. to me its much more impressive to be old (like 33+) and still be a GM
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Australia421 Posts
May 24 2013 05:40 GMT
#45
Holy shit Maru is exactly 1 year older than me
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DrAbuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany209 Posts
May 24 2013 05:48 GMT
#46
On May 24 2013 14:19 Eatme wrote:
On a sidenote. Who is the oldest GM player?


Should be White-Ra
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Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
May 24 2013 05:50 GMT
#47
On May 24 2013 14:48 DrAbuse wrote:
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On May 24 2013 14:19 Eatme wrote:
On a sidenote. Who is the oldest GM player?


Should be White-Ra


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CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
May 24 2013 06:04 GMT
#48
On May 24 2013 14:19 Eatme wrote:
On a sidenote. Who is the oldest GM player?


I like this question too!
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 07:30:46
May 24 2013 07:30 GMT
#49
The thing is that playing computer at too young an age will hurt your development. At the age of 12-16 kids need to be out there with their friends and develop their social skills. They also need to be out there to exercise their muscles instead of sitting at home in front of a screen and just moving his two hands while not talking to anyone. No one can afford to waste that time developing those skills, because the opportunity is never going to come back and it is a lot harder to try and do it later on. Reaching GM requires a daily and continuous commitment and that is too much time wasted on something that will be a waste of time later on when you stop playing the game (even though that may be 5-10 years later).

Playing computer games is ok, BUT only if you keep the amount of time spent low and it is best spent together with some friends in the same room. Paracelsus' rule of "too much is bad for you" applies.

On May 24 2013 15:04 CableStarcraft wrote:
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On May 24 2013 14:19 Eatme wrote:
On a sidenote. Who is the oldest GM player?


I like this question too!

That is a MUCH better question ...
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Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
May 24 2013 07:34 GMT
#50
The player "Thisgamesuck" is a 13 y/o grandmaster on EU.
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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
May 24 2013 07:43 GMT
#51
On May 24 2013 16:30 Rabiator wrote:
The thing is that playing computer at too young an age will hurt your development. At the age of 12-16 kids need to be out there with their friends and develop their social skills. They also need to be out there to exercise their muscles instead of sitting at home in front of a screen and just moving his two hands while not talking to anyone. No one can afford to waste that time developing those skills, because the opportunity is never going to come back and it is a lot harder to try and do it later on. Reaching GM requires a daily and continuous commitment and that is too much time wasted on something that will be a waste of time later on when you stop playing the game (even though that may be 5-10 years later).

Playing computer games is ok, BUT only if you keep the amount of time spent low and it is best spent together with some friends in the same room. Paracelsus' rule of "too much is bad for you" applies.

Pure nonsense. I get high grades wiithout cracking a textbook and being social at school, while still playing lots of video games(~3-4 hours a day). I'm also really fast at running (top 10 fastest in school).
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 08:22:02
May 24 2013 08:14 GMT
#52
On May 24 2013 16:43 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 16:30 Rabiator wrote:
The thing is that playing computer at too young an age will hurt your development. At the age of 12-16 kids need to be out there with their friends and develop their social skills. They also need to be out there to exercise their muscles instead of sitting at home in front of a screen and just moving his two hands while not talking to anyone. No one can afford to waste that time developing those skills, because the opportunity is never going to come back and it is a lot harder to try and do it later on. Reaching GM requires a daily and continuous commitment and that is too much time wasted on something that will be a waste of time later on when you stop playing the game (even though that may be 5-10 years later).

Playing computer games is ok, BUT only if you keep the amount of time spent low and it is best spent together with some friends in the same room. Paracelsus' rule of "too much is bad for you" applies.

Pure nonsense. I get high grades wiithout cracking a textbook and being social at school, while still playing lots of video games(~3-4 hours a day). I'm also really fast at running (top 10 fastest in school).

That may be fine for you, but can you guarantee that it works for all? We (the society as a whole) can not afford to "lose" the potentially smart kids (having an affinity for computer games and thus the computer puts you in the "potentially" smart category) just because they wasted the most important time of their life on playing a game instead of going out and making friends. You have to have those skills to become a member of society and thus a blanket "it works fine for me, so there should be no limit whatsoever" can never ever be the right way to look at things. Since you are a kid you have no experience in how much really is needed; wisdom is something that only comes with age (AND experience).

High grades are relative as a criterion as well, because schools have some nonsense requirements today.

Being really fast at running probably "comes naturally" to you and isnt something which you had to train long and hard for, right? That has something to do with "speed muscles" being relatively prominent for you compared to other kids. So this part of your argument doesnt really count.

Btw. ... how old are you? How much time do you actually spend with friends ... outside school in face-to-face company?

Most important question: Are you spending the time to be in GM or not?
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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
May 24 2013 08:39 GMT
#53
i can't really face my friends outside of school face-to-face because i live in a different city (I'm in an international school because im an immigrant to the country im in)
I'll never get anywhere near GM because i dont play starcraft much. Most of the knowlege i have with me is with sheer internet browsing since i was like 9
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danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
May 24 2013 08:51 GMT
#54
On May 24 2013 16:34 Fus wrote:
The player "Thisgamesuck" is a 13 y/o grandmaster on EU.


I demand actual proof or else it didnt happen, thx in advance.
I believe the youngest ever ever ever ever is Maru. Tastosis said it, so i know its a damn fact ^^

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Teodice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden641 Posts
May 24 2013 08:53 GMT
#55
I don't care about age. As long as they got results = good players, why would age matter? It's like all of these streams "hey I'm a 13 year old master Terran"... Give me some good games and stop promoting yourself as a wonderchild.

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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 09:06:55
May 24 2013 08:57 GMT
#56
On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

Likewise, with the skills, strategy, and intelligence, focus, training, coordination and mechanics required with StarCraft as a competitive game especially, I think that young peoples' accomplishments are even more impressive when they're that young. What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?

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On May 24 2013 13:29 Ratch! wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:26 synd wrote:
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


Knowing doesnt hurt.


Thanks.

I was mostly playing outside..

On a more serious note, I used to be a better gamer when I was in my teens. I had a way easier time learning mechanics of games. Nowadays I have got other priorities and gaming is a leisure activity, so I don't mind games being kind of easy nowadays.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2576 Posts
May 24 2013 09:02 GMT
#57
On May 24 2013 17:53 Teodice wrote:
I don't care about age. As long as they got results = good players, why would age matter? It's like all of these streams "hey I'm a 13 year old master Terran"... Give me some good games and stop promoting yourself as a wonderchild.


Maybe the "I'm 13" isn't for you. Maybe its for other young people that would better relate to the streamer knowing that they're about the same age. Saying "13 year old master Terran" is no worse than "American GM Zerg": it's something people can relate to. I'm 30 now and age doesn't matter as much to me in terms of finding people relatable, but when I was that age it absolutely did.
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Skiblet
Profile Joined August 2011
South Africa206 Posts
May 24 2013 09:23 GMT
#58
GM status isn't an accurate way of describing how could someone is. Any Korean playing high level games in korea at a very young age would have easily been able to reach GM on EU/US.
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Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
May 24 2013 09:40 GMT
#59
On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

And as for mt Everest, it is way more interesting to know who is the oldest one...
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 09:47:15
May 24 2013 09:45 GMT
#60
On May 24 2013 17:51 danbel1005 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 16:34 Fus wrote:
The player "Thisgamesuck" is a 13 y/o grandmaster on EU.


I demand actual proof or else it didnt happen, thx in advance.
I believe the youngest ever ever ever ever is Maru. Tastosis said it, so i know its a damn fact ^^



Twitch tv and theyoungonessc2 its a shared channel but look at past broadcasts and search for TGS, gm zerg. I belive he is 14 now but he got GM in last season of WoL and in Hots when he was still 13.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
May 24 2013 09:51 GMT
#61
On May 24 2013 14:48 DrAbuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 14:19 Eatme wrote:
On a sidenote. Who is the oldest GM player?


Should be White-Ra


I think there is a brazilian dude, who is 37 and qualified for last WCS finals - Levin maybe? He should be GM as well.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
May 24 2013 09:56 GMT
#62
On May 24 2013 16:43 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 16:30 Rabiator wrote:
The thing is that playing computer at too young an age will hurt your development. At the age of 12-16 kids need to be out there with their friends and develop their social skills. They also need to be out there to exercise their muscles instead of sitting at home in front of a screen and just moving his two hands while not talking to anyone. No one can afford to waste that time developing those skills, because the opportunity is never going to come back and it is a lot harder to try and do it later on. Reaching GM requires a daily and continuous commitment and that is too much time wasted on something that will be a waste of time later on when you stop playing the game (even though that may be 5-10 years later).

Playing computer games is ok, BUT only if you keep the amount of time spent low and it is best spent together with some friends in the same room. Paracelsus' rule of "too much is bad for you" applies.

Pure nonsense. I get high grades wiithout cracking a textbook and being social at school, while still playing lots of video games(~3-4 hours a day). I'm also really fast at running (top 10 fastest in school).

I second that. I also did well in school and played games during most of the day, not doing any studying at all. Of course I had other interests as well, such as playing guitar, reading etc. At that age you just have so much time on your hands to play regularly and have not real worries that it's not that astounding to hear of 13-year-olds to be in GM. The sad thing is that I'm 19 now and only reached Masters during this past month, whilst putting quite a lot of effort into the game.
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mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
May 24 2013 09:59 GMT
#63
On May 24 2013 16:43 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 16:30 Rabiator wrote:
The thing is that playing computer at too young an age will hurt your development. At the age of 12-16 kids need to be out there with their friends and develop their social skills. They also need to be out there to exercise their muscles instead of sitting at home in front of a screen and just moving his two hands while not talking to anyone. No one can afford to waste that time developing those skills, because the opportunity is never going to come back and it is a lot harder to try and do it later on. Reaching GM requires a daily and continuous commitment and that is too much time wasted on something that will be a waste of time later on when you stop playing the game (even though that may be 5-10 years later).

Playing computer games is ok, BUT only if you keep the amount of time spent low and it is best spent together with some friends in the same room. Paracelsus' rule of "too much is bad for you" applies.

Pure nonsense. I get high grades wiithout cracking a textbook and being social at school, while still playing lots of video games(~3-4 hours a day). I'm also really fast at running (top 10 fastest in school).

same here, nice nickname btw
Decrith
Profile Joined March 2013
Philippines46 Posts
May 24 2013 10:01 GMT
#64
Its more interesting to find out who the oldest GM player is rather than the highest. Its been discussed a lot back in BW that a lot of pros start early and retire early because age matters A LOT. At a young age (12~18) you're basically at your prime, fast reflexes, being able to think a bit more clearly (since your younger you're a lot less stressed out than a regular adult), basically your better at SC2 at a younger age than you would be at your 20s (in most cases anyway).

I rather find out the older GMs because despite their age, work, and any forms of things that can cause their body to act weird (hands shaking while macro-ing/micro-ing), they are still able to keep up and play better than most players 2/3 their age.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
May 24 2013 10:03 GMT
#65
I'm more curious about the theoretical side of this: If you were to raise your child to be a professional SC2 player, like parents do in other sports, how old would they have to be to get into GM?

Chess kids can reach this level when they're about 9 or 10, but Starcraft strategy is a little more abstract, and the mechanical element might be difficult at that age. Still, if you start drilling the mechanics into them starting at age 8, I think you might be able to produce a 10-year old GM.
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Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
May 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#66
Maru was 13 in GSL before GM existed...
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 24 2013 10:14 GMT
#67
On May 24 2013 13:41 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm

hahaaha

Brilliant.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
May 24 2013 10:43 GMT
#68
On May 24 2013 13:36 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

Likewise, with the skills, strategy, and intelligence required with StarCraft as a competitive game especially, I think that young peoples' accomplishments are even more impressive when they're that young. What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?

On May 24 2013 13:29 Ratch! wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:26 synd wrote:
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


Knowing doesnt hurt.


Thanks.

I wouldn't say it's more impressive because they're young at all. For one thing, you don't need to be that intelligent to play starcraft at a high level. Secondly, kids around that age have a lot more time than just about everyone else to play, except pro players of course.

Also, being a kid and climbing Everest is hard because you don't have the muscle and endurance to climb it, whereas in starcraft, a kid has everything he or she needs to be good. Now, I'm sure there are some other factors that come in to play here, though I don't think it's anywhere near as big of a deal as people make it out to be, just look at Life lol.


Um...if anything goes to judge by the more intelligent the player the better they will be. You don't get to be anything but a ladder hero by just brute-forcing your way through every game you play. SC is certainly on the same intellectual stage as thinker's game like Chess.
Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 10:44:22
May 24 2013 10:43 GMT
#69
we have a 11 years old master who took a game off Stareagle at a lan, hopefully he'll be the next youngest gm : )
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
May 24 2013 10:57 GMT
#70
On May 24 2013 19:03 Cel.erity wrote:
I'm more curious about the theoretical side of this: If you were to raise your child to be a professional SC2 player, like parents do in other sports, how old would they have to be to get into GM?

Chess kids can reach this level when they're about 9 or 10, but Starcraft strategy is a little more abstract, and the mechanical element might be difficult at that age. Still, if you start drilling the mechanics into them starting at age 8, I think you might be able to produce a 10-year old GM.


I think you are correct with this assumption. And if you grew up using a computer and didn't mess with consoles, and SC2 or rts was the only thing you played mostly, your mechanics could be godlike. I know between the age of 10-17 were my best gaming years by far.
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nedohRessorg
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany17 Posts
May 24 2013 12:02 GMT
#71
On May 24 2013 13:56 ppshchik wrote:
This thread reeks of pedophilia.


There aren't even words to describe how retarded you are. WTF?

User was banned for this post.
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
May 24 2013 12:18 GMT
#72
On May 24 2013 19:43 Extenz wrote:
we have a 11 years old master who took a game off Stareagle at a lan, hopefully he'll be the next youngest gm : )


He's 10yo i belive. He's a top master zerg able to beat gms

His stream : http://www.twitch.tv/reynor02
MistSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden583 Posts
May 24 2013 12:28 GMT
#73
On May 24 2013 16:34 Fus wrote:
The player "Thisgamesuck" is a 13 y/o grandmaster on EU.


Yeah, he plays for AT Gaming right? Hes sick good and was GM last season on EU.
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 12:42:03
May 24 2013 12:39 GMT
#74
On May 24 2013 13:47 Zenbrez wrote:
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On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Not in such a way that has a significant impact on the performance of an RTS game.


That's an interesting question. There are certainly ways that kids that age usually lack the capability for certain analytical reasoning skills that might be helpful in Starcraft.

I'm making that assertion based on research into mathematical ability and essentially how "teachable" certain kinds of reasoning are at that age. There's published research that suggests that certain kinds of reasoning can't be taught to the typical 13-year-old no matter what effort you and the kid puts into it, whereas an average 14- or 15-year-old can catch on quickly. On the other hand, there are certainly outliers who don't fit the pattern at all.

There's also the question of manual dexterity. Most kids in early adolescence have a harder time training up their dexterity to an adult level, but there are exceptional examples there too.

In all, there are likely developmental reasons that kids usually don't become really good at Starcraft until they hit 14 or 15, probably more than just questions of focus. However, it doesn't surprise me to see the occasional 11-13 year old stand out.

Edit: Purely on the mathematical reasoning front, there's evidence that most people don't really fully develop until their mid-20s. I'm not asserting that those skills are necessary for the game, or making a statement about how much they help, just using it as an illustration of how a developing kid's capabilities might be limited by their stage of development in ways that may not be obvious to them.
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exog
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway279 Posts
May 24 2013 12:44 GMT
#75
On May 24 2013 13:41 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm


Hahhaha
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 24 2013 12:51 GMT
#76
1259 Rank 1 master is not gm though.

i have 1.5k and i dont get into gm for some reason ~~
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WikidSik
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada382 Posts
May 24 2013 13:16 GMT
#77
pff i got rank 1 GM when I was a day old >.> i was born a GM y0
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Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
May 24 2013 13:23 GMT
#78
On May 24 2013 13:35 Tachion wrote:
Maru played in GSL open season 1 when he was 12 years old. He wasn't just GM, he was a fucking GSL contender in Korea.


Maru like a total boss....shame he's been struggling since the switch to HotS
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FCReverie
Profile Joined April 2013
Australia103 Posts
May 24 2013 14:13 GMT
#79
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

The brain doesn't stop developing until after 25. That doesn't make it impressive when a 24 year old does something that a 25 year old can't do.

I think that in this game the only thing that matters is if you are the best, not your age. You should give people praise based on what they earn, not when they earn it. Too many kids get a big head that way. As you said the brain hasn't stopped developing. They don't know how to handle the fame etc. (this is clear in other professions you get a kid in the spotlight). Treat a 13 year old GM how you would treat any other GM. It isn't useful to spotlight them unless they do something worthy of spotlight. Place in GSL, win an MLG or something (like Life).
Meridian
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden11 Posts
May 24 2013 14:33 GMT
#80
If you're younger it just means you have more time on your hands, doesn't make it any more impressive.
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
May 24 2013 14:37 GMT
#81
On May 24 2013 13:41 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm


bahahaha
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
May 24 2013 14:52 GMT
#82
On May 24 2013 23:13 FCReverie wrote:
Treat a 13 year old GM how you would treat any other GM


Sure. Overall, being in GM is a pretty damn impressive achievement, no matter whom you are.
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bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
May 24 2013 15:12 GMT
#83
age 12+ is basically point when you should not be surprised by someones skill compared to age. 10-12 is also age when kids in normal sports (football for example) start learning tactics and stuff because at younger age they don't really understand it.

as for prime, belief that you're well past your prime in 20s in just bullshit. Problem with current old generation is that they didn't grew up with video games. That crucial time of development in young age is something they miss. Today, when kids grew up with video games they are used to it, used to think like gamer and play like real gamer. They will be able to play till their 30's easily. Only problem that still exist is time when you need to quit fooling around and start living real life.
But there's no "max age" because it's not the same if you compare 2 30 year old guys if 1 started gaming in the age od 5 and other when he was 25.
I don't see any sport/activity where you're at 30 so much worse than when you're 18, quite on contrary.
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
May 24 2013 15:33 GMT
#84
On May 24 2013 19:57 Vansetsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 19:03 Cel.erity wrote:
I'm more curious about the theoretical side of this: If you were to raise your child to be a professional SC2 player, like parents do in other sports, how old would they have to be to get into GM?

Chess kids can reach this level when they're about 9 or 10, but Starcraft strategy is a little more abstract, and the mechanical element might be difficult at that age. Still, if you start drilling the mechanics into them starting at age 8, I think you might be able to produce a 10-year old GM.


I think you are correct with this assumption. And if you grew up using a computer and didn't mess with consoles, and SC2 or rts was the only thing you played mostly, your mechanics could be godlike. I know between the age of 10-17 were my best gaming years by far.

There's good and bad aspects to learning young. If you learn bad, you'll have a hard time breaking those habits. Its also funny to think of a player whose hands are too small to stretch to the ctrl key. I'd say the youngest to start would be 7-8 years old. Maybe GM 11-12 years old, if there really fast 10.
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Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
May 24 2013 15:36 GMT
#85
On May 25 2013 00:12 bLah. wrote:
age 12+ is basically point when you should not be surprised by someones skill compared to age. 10-12 is also age when kids in normal sports (football for example) start learning tactics and stuff because at younger age they don't really understand it.

as for prime, belief that you're well past your prime in 20s in just bullshit. Problem with current old generation is that they didn't grew up with video games. That crucial time of development in young age is something they miss. Today, when kids grew up with video games they are used to it, used to think like gamer and play like real gamer. They will be able to play till their 30's easily. Only problem that still exist is time when you need to quit fooling around and start living real life.
But there's no "max age" because it's not the same if you compare 2 30 year old guys if 1 started gaming in the age od 5 and other when he was 25.
I don't see any sport/activity where you're at 30 so much worse than when you're 18, quite on contrary.

Well there was some research done on BW players and your reactions ect lower when you get older.
But how old is this "old generation" you are talking about. The first rts I played was Dune 2 and it came out in 92.
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
May 24 2013 15:36 GMT
#86
On May 25 2013 00:12 bLah. wrote:
Problem with current old generation is that they didn't grew up with video games.


A current 40-45 year old who plays video games today was likely to have been playing (very demanding) video games at age 10.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
May 24 2013 15:39 GMT
#87
On May 25 2013 00:36 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 00:12 bLah. wrote:
Problem with current old generation is that they didn't grew up with video games.


A current 40-45 year old who plays video games today was likely to have been playing (very demanding) video games at age 10.


I don't think so. I'm 30, and the NES came out when I was very young. Most people didn't own a system before that. Props to my parents though, they had the original Odyssey system with Space Invaders and all that stuff before I was even born.
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Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 15:55:02
May 24 2013 15:51 GMT
#88
On May 24 2013 17:14 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 16:43 DinosaurPoop wrote:
On May 24 2013 16:30 Rabiator wrote:
The thing is that playing computer at too young an age will hurt your development. At the age of 12-16 kids need to be out there with their friends and develop their social skills. They also need to be out there to exercise their muscles instead of sitting at home in front of a screen and just moving his two hands while not talking to anyone. No one can afford to waste that time developing those skills, because the opportunity is never going to come back and it is a lot harder to try and do it later on. Reaching GM requires a daily and continuous commitment and that is too much time wasted on something that will be a waste of time later on when you stop playing the game (even though that may be 5-10 years later).

Playing computer games is ok, BUT only if you keep the amount of time spent low and it is best spent together with some friends in the same room. Paracelsus' rule of "too much is bad for you" applies.

Pure nonsense. I get high grades wiithout cracking a textbook and being social at school, while still playing lots of video games(~3-4 hours a day). I'm also really fast at running (top 10 fastest in school).

That may be fine for you, but can you guarantee that it works for all? We (the society as a whole) can not afford to "lose" the potentially smart kids (having an affinity for computer games and thus the computer puts you in the "potentially" smart category) just because they wasted the most important time of their life on playing a game instead of going out and making friends. You have to have those skills to become a member of society and thus a blanket "it works fine for me, so there should be no limit whatsoever" can never ever be the right way to look at things. Since you are a kid you have no experience in how much really is needed; wisdom is something that only comes with age (AND experience).

High grades are relative as a criterion as well, because schools have some nonsense requirements today.

Being really fast at running probably "comes naturally" to you and isnt something which you had to train long and hard for, right? That has something to do with "speed muscles" being relatively prominent for you compared to other kids. So this part of your argument doesnt really count.

Btw. ... how old are you? How much time do you actually spend with friends ... outside school in face-to-face company?

Most important question: Are you spending the time to be in GM or not?


Yeah so.. you're telling him that his example is invalid because it works "just for him" while making a general statement about what teenagers 12-16 should and should not be doing? Of course it isn't recommended for one person to spend ALL of their time doing something which they can't live of of later on, but just like DinosaurPoop's situation isn't true for everyone, neither is yours.

I also find it weird you would say society would lose someone if they decided they wouldn't make friends. What about introverts? What about people who don't desire a lot of friends and would rather spend time on their own? What about simply living in an environment without people who share your interests? There are many other useful skills besides "social skills" which are more useful to society than sharing stories about who kissed who last night.

Like there are "speed muscles", there are also people who can get pretty close to GM while doing other stuff with their lives or dedicating themselves to a different activity. And there are a number of benefits too: Learning to dedicate yourself to a project, strategic thinking, learning from mistakes, learning to handle disappointment, learning how to effectively spend time, which helps with A LOT of jobs. Also, which specific social skill would one train being face to face which can't be trained online? You might want to tell the current generation, considering like 90% turned into smartphone zombies.

There are many ways of living a happy life and making the world a better place, which makes me feel like your idea, while being one of the valid ways to live a great life, is way too limited.

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OT: I think it's amazing having all these young talents, it would be pretty fun to know who the youngest (and oldest) person is, like we know Flash is the youngest OSL winner, Life is the youngest GSL winner and Mind is the youngest MSL Winner. It would be fun to have a summarizing topic I guess, so we know who to keep our eye on (:
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bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 15:54:24
May 24 2013 15:53 GMT
#89
On May 25 2013 00:36 Eatme wrote:
Well there was some research done on BW players and your reactions ect lower when you get older.
But how old is this "old generation" you are talking about. The first rts I played was Dune 2 and it came out in 92.


actually most of reaserches are young vs new, I didn't really find anyone measured through couple of years with some extensive tests.
As for old generation, yea but it wasn't gaming (games were mechanically and strategicaly shit) nor was it widespread. Keep in mind that Korea got their gaming just before Starcraft came out (which is basically one of the main reasons why it was so popular)
I mean, you become worse as you grow older but that starts way later in life, it doesn't start when you're 20-25. I also remember being A LOT better at fps games when I was 13, but that was because I played 7h a day instead of 1 like I do now. There's no way that 13yo me would be able to compete against me now if I continued to practice.
AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 17:07:42
May 24 2013 16:59 GMT
#90
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ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE NORTH! HAIL! HAIL!
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
May 24 2013 17:29 GMT
#91
There's probly a Korean kid of 10 years of age that could get to GM in EU or NA.
BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 17:42:08
May 24 2013 17:37 GMT
#92
On May 25 2013 00:39 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 00:36 Lysenko wrote:
On May 25 2013 00:12 bLah. wrote:
Problem with current old generation is that they didn't grew up with video games.


A current 40-45 year old who plays video games today was likely to have been playing (very demanding) video games at age 10.


I don't think so. I'm 30, and the NES came out when I was very young. Most people didn't own a system before that. Props to my parents though, they had the original Odyssey system with Space Invaders and all that stuff before I was even born.


I was born in 75 and started with Atari. NES had some pretty tough games. Duck Hunt past the first 10-15 levels becomes pretty tense. Metal Gear was one of my first 'rage inducer'. The alarm/alert noise still ticks me off. Tall as I am, I never fit in the cardboard box properly :D

13 year old GM is impressive, if only because young and old gamers alike have become more sophisticated over the years. Tougher competition, more competition. The Wizard movie with Fred Savage almost looks a bit prophetic with me watching E-Sports devolp as it has as I near 40.
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ActionJesuz
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark32 Posts
May 24 2013 17:44 GMT
#93
On May 24 2013 23:33 Meridian wrote:
If you're younger it just means you have more time on your hands, doesn't make it any more impressive.


Of course it's more impressive to achieve GM rank the younger you are. Personally it would be a hillarious tournament to see all the old experienced guys getting wooped by some kiddo

It's simple... basicly the impressive part is that they(he) can compete with older guys whoms brains are way more developed. It's awesome!
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2382 Posts
May 24 2013 17:50 GMT
#94
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Good thing you don't need a brain to get GM on NA
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
May 24 2013 17:52 GMT
#95
On May 25 2013 02:50 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Good thing you don't need a brain to get GM on NA

LOL
tehredbanditt
Profile Joined July 2010
103 Posts
May 24 2013 18:02 GMT
#96
That's a good question. But seeing as though the sweet spot for esport pros seems to be between 16 and 21, I'm more curious as to who the oldest GM would be. Of course this is just coming from a casual observer that has followed the scene for a while.
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sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States747 Posts
May 24 2013 18:13 GMT
#97
I think baby was the youngest player to play in proleague in bw at one time. I remember when he was playing flash... I was tripping.

I think this is a interesting subject, and hopefully this leads to lots of future pro players.
reps)Defi
Profile Joined September 2007
Russian Federation337 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 18:16:21
May 24 2013 18:15 GMT
#98
I know this doesnt refer to SC2 directly, but if i remember right, Baby (aka TY) got his progamer license in BW (and that way better than entering GM :D ) when he was like 10-11 y.o ?
FreedomMurder
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada200 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 18:20:08
May 24 2013 18:18 GMT
#99
On May 24 2013 18:40 Saumure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

And as for mt Everest, it is way more interesting to know who is the oldest one...


An 80 year old Japanese man recently became the oldest person to summit everest.
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dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
May 24 2013 18:22 GMT
#100
pretty sure just cause you're 13 and rank1 masters doesn't make you a prodigy.

i got gm at 15, age is pretty irrelevant.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 24 2013 18:23 GMT
#101
On May 24 2013 13:41 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm

lol nice
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BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
May 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#102
On May 25 2013 02:50 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Good thing you don't need a brain to get GM on NA


LOL, Ouch. Idra-esqe comment. I usually mention that to my girlfriend when encouraging her to ladder. Closest I got was a few Bronze League Hero's episodes.
I used to like trumpets, now I prefer pause. "Don't move a muscle JP!"
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
May 24 2013 18:29 GMT
#103
On May 24 2013 14:50 UberNuB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 14:48 DrAbuse wrote:
On May 24 2013 14:19 Eatme wrote:
On a sidenote. (T)WhO is the oldest GM player?


Should be (P)White-Ra


Grandpatoss!

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Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
May 24 2013 18:40 GMT
#104
Well, there's SCSXenocider who was GM at 13
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Race is Terran
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States382 Posts
May 24 2013 19:06 GMT
#105
On May 25 2013 02:50 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Good thing you don't need a brain to get GM on NA

LOL gg. Can't get better than that
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 19:31:09
May 24 2013 19:27 GMT
#106
On May 24 2013 13:33 andeh wrote:
(Z)Life?

Not sure if he's ever reached GM but (Z)Najzmajs?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
May 30 2013 09:43 GMT
#107
Nice stuff, but you people tend to forget starcraft is a game with two players, so doesn't that mean if GM league has 100 thirteen to fifteen year olds then if you want to be promoted to GM you will have around a 50 percent chance to find a 13-15 yr old gm? Even if the numbers are much smaller than that, if there are seven 13-15 year old in Grandmaster league, then guess how much would be in masters?
You people are arguing based on the idea that calculating the skill of a 13 year old is thinking that he is in a league full of people older than him.
When cats speak, mice listen.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2142 Posts
May 30 2013 09:46 GMT
#108
Always fun to see young people want to play SC2.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 30 2013 10:00 GMT
#109
On May 25 2013 02:50 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Good thing you don't need a brain to get GM on NA

lol Scarlett telling 'em.
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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 10:22:55
May 30 2013 10:03 GMT
#110
Btw, you can train ANYONE to find tactical and strategic patterns to any game, for example, there was this puzzle game called flipgame which was near impossible to beat, but then i started to see that the values of each square is not variable, every box has this boolean value which is hidden, and when all of them are 0, the game is solved , then i started to see that to determine the value of a square, there are a total of five variables you need to take in. If all squares around it have the boolean value(not the color) of false, then it is false, etc.

It wouldn't take a monkey to eventually figure out the 'correct' mechanics.
Mechanics today are strategies of the past.
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 10:11:10
May 30 2013 10:09 GMT
#111
On May 24 2013 14:13 Bunn wrote:
I think there used to be a pretty young and good swedish player?


NajzMajs

Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
May 30 2013 10:23 GMT
#112
On May 25 2013 03:28 BioNova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 02:50 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Good thing you don't need a brain to get GM on NA


LOL, Ouch. Idra-esqe comment. I usually mention that to my girlfriend when encouraging her to ladder. Closest I got was a few Bronze League Hero's episodes.


That's nowhere near an IdrA-esqe comment. lol.
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 10:31:34
May 30 2013 10:29 GMT
#113
Wouldnt surprise me if it turns out to be Life. Before he was famous he was ranked number 1 GM on korea several times. That was back when he was probably 14.
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roym899
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany426 Posts
May 30 2013 10:30 GMT
#114
Imho it's not that impressive when you are very young. It's more impressive when you are old. I'd like to know who is the oldest GM player. If you are young you learn a lot faster and you have a lot more free time. If you tell your child to play like 8 hours a day since the age of 8 he'll be GM by the age of 12...
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
May 30 2013 10:32 GMT
#115
On May 24 2013 13:32 synd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

Likewise, with the skills, strategy, and intelligence, focus, training, coordination and mechanics required with StarCraft as a competitive game especially, I think that young peoples' accomplishments are even more impressive when they're that young. What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?

On May 24 2013 13:29 Ratch! wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:26 synd wrote:
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


Knowing doesnt hurt.


Thanks.

Really solid defence. You justify the thread we get like every week or so by telling me I picked my nose at that age or whatever offensive shit you'll say.

Stop for a second and ask yourself. "What is a forum?" The answer is a place where people gather to discuss various topics/issues. It's an ancient word and an ancient tradition. If you don't like the conversation a few people are having, to to a different part of the forum and partake there.

Why do you have a right to tell other people to shut up mid conversation just because you think that what they are talking about has gotten old?

It would be interesting if people had information on a 10 year old GM or something of the sort. Get your needless negativity out of here plz.
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
May 30 2013 10:36 GMT
#116
Considering GM in Korea simply is alot harder then GM in EU and NA, it's not really fair if you were to compare them and find the youngest player in GM of any region. (and who actualy has the most young talent around at the highest level)

So pure statistic based on difficulty young players might have the highest % to succeed into NA Grand Master.

As a prodigy well we only have one right now and that's (Z)Life

DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
May 30 2013 10:43 GMT
#117
to everyone saying life: LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
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mafaba
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany73 Posts
May 30 2013 10:46 GMT
#118
Show me a 30 years old man with a family and a job whos gm, then iam impressed.
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
May 30 2013 10:47 GMT
#119
On May 30 2013 19:46 mafaba wrote:
Show me a 30 years old man with a family and a job whos gm, then iam impressed.


^ This. Being good at a game as a kid isnt impressive. You should be better than adults because you have more time to play + you have an easier time to learn things.
DrAbuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany209 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 11:10:11
May 30 2013 11:10 GMT
#120
On May 30 2013 19:46 mafaba wrote:
Show me a 30 years old man with a family and a job whos gm, then iam impressed.


What about white-ra, son
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mafaba
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany73 Posts
May 30 2013 11:21 GMT
#121
On May 30 2013 20:10 DrAbuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 19:46 mafaba wrote:
Show me a 30 years old man with a family and a job whos gm, then iam impressed.


What about white-ra, son

Yea but whitera is a fulltime progamer so ...
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
May 30 2013 12:27 GMT
#122
GrayWarden from Serbia reached GM with 14 I think.
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
May 30 2013 19:29 GMT
#123
Serral is(was?) 14 I guess

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Serral
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/315071/1/Serral/
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FosTA
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada154 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 19:33:14
May 30 2013 19:32 GMT
#124
Wonder who is the oldest non-progamer is? GM level or not. It would be cool to see like a 50+yr playing the game.

edit: Would be a great dad if he was the practice partner for his son LOL
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