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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
May 24 2013 09:51 GMT
#61
On May 24 2013 14:48 DrAbuse wrote:
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On May 24 2013 14:19 Eatme wrote:
On a sidenote. Who is the oldest GM player?


Should be White-Ra


I think there is a brazilian dude, who is 37 and qualified for last WCS finals - Levin maybe? He should be GM as well.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
May 24 2013 09:56 GMT
#62
On May 24 2013 16:43 DinosaurPoop wrote:
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On May 24 2013 16:30 Rabiator wrote:
The thing is that playing computer at too young an age will hurt your development. At the age of 12-16 kids need to be out there with their friends and develop their social skills. They also need to be out there to exercise their muscles instead of sitting at home in front of a screen and just moving his two hands while not talking to anyone. No one can afford to waste that time developing those skills, because the opportunity is never going to come back and it is a lot harder to try and do it later on. Reaching GM requires a daily and continuous commitment and that is too much time wasted on something that will be a waste of time later on when you stop playing the game (even though that may be 5-10 years later).

Playing computer games is ok, BUT only if you keep the amount of time spent low and it is best spent together with some friends in the same room. Paracelsus' rule of "too much is bad for you" applies.

Pure nonsense. I get high grades wiithout cracking a textbook and being social at school, while still playing lots of video games(~3-4 hours a day). I'm also really fast at running (top 10 fastest in school).

I second that. I also did well in school and played games during most of the day, not doing any studying at all. Of course I had other interests as well, such as playing guitar, reading etc. At that age you just have so much time on your hands to play regularly and have not real worries that it's not that astounding to hear of 13-year-olds to be in GM. The sad thing is that I'm 19 now and only reached Masters during this past month, whilst putting quite a lot of effort into the game.
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mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
May 24 2013 09:59 GMT
#63
On May 24 2013 16:43 DinosaurPoop wrote:
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On May 24 2013 16:30 Rabiator wrote:
The thing is that playing computer at too young an age will hurt your development. At the age of 12-16 kids need to be out there with their friends and develop their social skills. They also need to be out there to exercise their muscles instead of sitting at home in front of a screen and just moving his two hands while not talking to anyone. No one can afford to waste that time developing those skills, because the opportunity is never going to come back and it is a lot harder to try and do it later on. Reaching GM requires a daily and continuous commitment and that is too much time wasted on something that will be a waste of time later on when you stop playing the game (even though that may be 5-10 years later).

Playing computer games is ok, BUT only if you keep the amount of time spent low and it is best spent together with some friends in the same room. Paracelsus' rule of "too much is bad for you" applies.

Pure nonsense. I get high grades wiithout cracking a textbook and being social at school, while still playing lots of video games(~3-4 hours a day). I'm also really fast at running (top 10 fastest in school).

same here, nice nickname btw
Decrith
Profile Joined March 2013
Philippines46 Posts
May 24 2013 10:01 GMT
#64
Its more interesting to find out who the oldest GM player is rather than the highest. Its been discussed a lot back in BW that a lot of pros start early and retire early because age matters A LOT. At a young age (12~18) you're basically at your prime, fast reflexes, being able to think a bit more clearly (since your younger you're a lot less stressed out than a regular adult), basically your better at SC2 at a younger age than you would be at your 20s (in most cases anyway).

I rather find out the older GMs because despite their age, work, and any forms of things that can cause their body to act weird (hands shaking while macro-ing/micro-ing), they are still able to keep up and play better than most players 2/3 their age.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
May 24 2013 10:03 GMT
#65
I'm more curious about the theoretical side of this: If you were to raise your child to be a professional SC2 player, like parents do in other sports, how old would they have to be to get into GM?

Chess kids can reach this level when they're about 9 or 10, but Starcraft strategy is a little more abstract, and the mechanical element might be difficult at that age. Still, if you start drilling the mechanics into them starting at age 8, I think you might be able to produce a 10-year old GM.
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Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
May 24 2013 10:06 GMT
#66
Maru was 13 in GSL before GM existed...
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 24 2013 10:14 GMT
#67
On May 24 2013 13:41 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm

hahaaha

Brilliant.
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
May 24 2013 10:43 GMT
#68
On May 24 2013 13:36 knOxStarcraft wrote:
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On May 24 2013 13:29 CableStarcraft wrote:
I think it's a legitimate question & discussion. It says a lot about a person if they're the youngest to achieve certain thing. Like the youngest person to climb Everest - that's a pretty freakin big deal.

Likewise, with the skills, strategy, and intelligence required with StarCraft as a competitive game especially, I think that young peoples' accomplishments are even more impressive when they're that young. What were you doing at 13-15? Picking your nose and playing Putt-Putt?

On May 24 2013 13:29 Ratch! wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:26 synd wrote:
Who cares? What's the point of all these threads like "who's the youngest X Y Z"


Knowing doesnt hurt.


Thanks.

I wouldn't say it's more impressive because they're young at all. For one thing, you don't need to be that intelligent to play starcraft at a high level. Secondly, kids around that age have a lot more time than just about everyone else to play, except pro players of course.

Also, being a kid and climbing Everest is hard because you don't have the muscle and endurance to climb it, whereas in starcraft, a kid has everything he or she needs to be good. Now, I'm sure there are some other factors that come in to play here, though I don't think it's anywhere near as big of a deal as people make it out to be, just look at Life lol.


Um...if anything goes to judge by the more intelligent the player the better they will be. You don't get to be anything but a ladder hero by just brute-forcing your way through every game you play. SC is certainly on the same intellectual stage as thinker's game like Chess.
Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 10:44:22
May 24 2013 10:43 GMT
#69
we have a 11 years old master who took a game off Stareagle at a lan, hopefully he'll be the next youngest gm : )
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
May 24 2013 10:57 GMT
#70
On May 24 2013 19:03 Cel.erity wrote:
I'm more curious about the theoretical side of this: If you were to raise your child to be a professional SC2 player, like parents do in other sports, how old would they have to be to get into GM?

Chess kids can reach this level when they're about 9 or 10, but Starcraft strategy is a little more abstract, and the mechanical element might be difficult at that age. Still, if you start drilling the mechanics into them starting at age 8, I think you might be able to produce a 10-year old GM.


I think you are correct with this assumption. And if you grew up using a computer and didn't mess with consoles, and SC2 or rts was the only thing you played mostly, your mechanics could be godlike. I know between the age of 10-17 were my best gaming years by far.
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nedohRessorg
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany17 Posts
May 24 2013 12:02 GMT
#71
On May 24 2013 13:56 ppshchik wrote:
This thread reeks of pedophilia.


There aren't even words to describe how retarded you are. WTF?

User was banned for this post.
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
May 24 2013 12:18 GMT
#72
On May 24 2013 19:43 Extenz wrote:
we have a 11 years old master who took a game off Stareagle at a lan, hopefully he'll be the next youngest gm : )


He's 10yo i belive. He's a top master zerg able to beat gms

His stream : http://www.twitch.tv/reynor02
MistSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden583 Posts
May 24 2013 12:28 GMT
#73
On May 24 2013 16:34 Fus wrote:
The player "Thisgamesuck" is a 13 y/o grandmaster on EU.


Yeah, he plays for AT Gaming right? Hes sick good and was GM last season on EU.
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 12:42:03
May 24 2013 12:39 GMT
#74
On May 24 2013 13:47 Zenbrez wrote:
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On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

Not in such a way that has a significant impact on the performance of an RTS game.


That's an interesting question. There are certainly ways that kids that age usually lack the capability for certain analytical reasoning skills that might be helpful in Starcraft.

I'm making that assertion based on research into mathematical ability and essentially how "teachable" certain kinds of reasoning are at that age. There's published research that suggests that certain kinds of reasoning can't be taught to the typical 13-year-old no matter what effort you and the kid puts into it, whereas an average 14- or 15-year-old can catch on quickly. On the other hand, there are certainly outliers who don't fit the pattern at all.

There's also the question of manual dexterity. Most kids in early adolescence have a harder time training up their dexterity to an adult level, but there are exceptional examples there too.

In all, there are likely developmental reasons that kids usually don't become really good at Starcraft until they hit 14 or 15, probably more than just questions of focus. However, it doesn't surprise me to see the occasional 11-13 year old stand out.

Edit: Purely on the mathematical reasoning front, there's evidence that most people don't really fully develop until their mid-20s. I'm not asserting that those skills are necessary for the game, or making a statement about how much they help, just using it as an illustration of how a developing kid's capabilities might be limited by their stage of development in ways that may not be obvious to them.
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exog
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway279 Posts
May 24 2013 12:44 GMT
#75
On May 24 2013 13:41 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
pretty sure Avilo is like 11 and he's in gm


Hahhaha
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 24 2013 12:51 GMT
#76
1259 Rank 1 master is not gm though.

i have 1.5k and i dont get into gm for some reason ~~
sux when you miss the opening day :D
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WikidSik
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada382 Posts
May 24 2013 13:16 GMT
#77
pff i got rank 1 GM when I was a day old >.> i was born a GM y0
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Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
May 24 2013 13:23 GMT
#78
On May 24 2013 13:35 Tachion wrote:
Maru played in GSL open season 1 when he was 12 years old. He wasn't just GM, he was a fucking GSL contender in Korea.


Maru like a total boss....shame he's been struggling since the switch to HotS
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FCReverie
Profile Joined April 2013
Australia103 Posts
May 24 2013 14:13 GMT
#79
On May 24 2013 13:35 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:29 askmc70 wrote:
your age doesnt matter in starcraft


It does at that age. The brain of a 13 year old is less developed than that of an adult.

The brain doesn't stop developing until after 25. That doesn't make it impressive when a 24 year old does something that a 25 year old can't do.

I think that in this game the only thing that matters is if you are the best, not your age. You should give people praise based on what they earn, not when they earn it. Too many kids get a big head that way. As you said the brain hasn't stopped developing. They don't know how to handle the fame etc. (this is clear in other professions you get a kid in the spotlight). Treat a 13 year old GM how you would treat any other GM. It isn't useful to spotlight them unless they do something worthy of spotlight. Place in GSL, win an MLG or something (like Life).
Meridian
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden11 Posts
May 24 2013 14:33 GMT
#80
If you're younger it just means you have more time on your hands, doesn't make it any more impressive.
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