EPTDoes age matter in SC2 - Page 5
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1056 Posts
I'm in my early 30's. One of the reasons I quit competetive FPS 5 years ago was the new kids catching up and leaving me behind so fast it got really frustrating. I didn't want to put in the effort any more. Same with SC2. My biggest problem is multitasking. | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
So in other words. It takes time to get faster for some people, and NO, it is not what is holding you back. Just keep practicing, you will get there. | ||
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Morlock
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
However, in some games age won't matter as much. Civilization for example that is pure strategy and turn-based which mean one can take as much time as needed to carry out commands. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On May 17 2013 17:39 Elroi wrote: No one over 23 has won a starleague yet iirc, and now that the scene is very much more competitive in sc2 with the kespa players I don't think it will ever happen in the GSL either. So yes, age matters. That does not necessarily have anything to do with "old" people being slower. It could also very well be because people tend to retire when they hit a certain age and/or have to attend mandatory military. I also think that APM is highly overrated. There may be scenarios where a high APM in a short time span can make a difference (Marine splitting), but overall i don't think that APM makes much of a difference if you can keep a steady 100 apm. I know that my APM has not changed much since i was high gold, and i am currently high diamond. | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
On May 17 2013 17:50 Prog455 wrote: That does not necessarily have anything to do with "old" people being slower. It could also very well be because people tend to retire when they hit a certain age and/or have to attend mandatory military. I also think that APM is highly overrated. There may be scenarios where a high APM in a short time span can make a difference (Marine splitting), but overall i don't think that APM makes much of a difference if you can keep a steady 100 apm. I know that my APM has not changed much since i was high gold, and i am currently high diamond. APM makes a large difference past mid master. I wish it were not so, as i am a slow player, but it is. Even Grubby, the most politically correct, and a (relatively) slower player himself described elfi as someone who "wins too much for someone who plays so slow" when talking to Cloud at one of the HSCs. | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
Am i achieving all i can mechanically due to age vs speed? Hope that doesnt sound stupid, but it feels like a legitimate question. It seems widely accepted in a pro capacity that once you get to an 'age' you just can't compete. I think the age does matters in games which require a lot of reflexes, such like Quakelive. When you're like 30 you'll be less good at quakelive than when you was 20 (story of a friend who stopped QL because of that). In a RTS game, I don't think at all you'll be handicapped by your age. The APM comes with the experience, and decrease when you play less. Not because of the age. The age will count if you are 60 of course, but you are totally able to have perfect mechanics at 31... Especially at SC2. It requires far less mechanics than BW. In a professional level, SC2 is only about good strats and gamesens. NO professional at SC2 are handicapped by their lack of mechanics (expected Adelscott). Anyone similar age experienced this before and did you overcome it? So no, never felt I was less good because I'm getting older at SC. Simply accept you'll be Forever Diamond? No. What you play does not require uber reflexes. Some young players had to stay during many season in gold / plat before reaching master. Just play regularly, and learn more build which are adapted to the map and the position (you told yourself that you only have a build per match up). SC2 is really more about brain and gamble than you think. Focus at your macro and the good choice of units, and try to learn from your defeat. I don't know how many games you have played since the begining. I think some people are more talentuous than other at RTS, (like at everything), so maybe (I don't know just saying) you have less ease than other player. (For exemple, I've never had a good game sens. I've good mechanics but I play like a robot and never take the best decision, it's the contrary for some players). But your age has nothing to do with it. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
When you get older, your brain does not "deteriorate". You do not get slower. What happens instead is your brain shapes its pathways to accomodate the way you're used to thinking, and prunes the unnecessary stuff. That's why it's much easier to get into gaming when you're young, because your neural pathways are not fully formed. You learn new skills better when you're young, that's just common sense. If you are already older and just getting into gaming, then yes, you will have a harder time (though it's not the reason you can't break into GM). However, if you've been gaming your whole life, evidence would suggest you actually get faster as you age. There is no magical skill cap for older players. | ||
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Serek
United Kingdom459 Posts
On May 17 2013 17:12 Morlock wrote: I think the most important factor with respect to why older people over 25 tend to be worse is that they don't care as much as the youngsters. We have bigger fish to fry and can't really justify pouring all our energy into a dumb game. A million times this. At some point other priorities in life crop up and that's that. If it really matters to you keep on practising and you'll eventually get there. Have someone knowledgeable watch you play or your replays, stuff like that. But don't worry too much as long as you're still having fun playing the game. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Maeldun
Australia169 Posts
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
I'll refer you to my sig: "Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields There is much we cannot know about this subject, but one thing I can tell you for sure. You are not stuck in Diamond solely because of age. There are simply too many factors involved in determining how good you are at SC2 for one of these to be the only limitation for you. | ||
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Hemling
Sweden93 Posts
There are a tons of factors that weigh in and I've had similar experiences where the enemy player is more "present" in the game, when i lose a bit focus after getting tired or playing too many tvz, suddenly I start missing things like drops and runbys on the minimap, its a downward spiral that force me to spend more time fixing things in macro then usual while trying to keep up with mapcontrol and bam I've just a-moved 2seconds unsieged into his army, I usually stop playing for the day when that happens because I feel bad playing when Im not 100% focused, I've seen this happen the other way around though its just how sc2 is sometimes =) Im 28 and currently rank 15 master btw. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
We also se quite few tweens and early teens making strong results so it's not only few old people in the top. I'd say that the best age seems to be 18-22 or around there. I doubt that a 30+ can get GM if he just picked up the game today and never tuched an RTS ever. When it comes to 30 people who have played quite a few RTS games before it's just about plowing down the time. We're not going to have the improvementcurve of kolll but 14h/day for a year should do it even it you lack a bit in talent. | ||
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FuzZyLogic
United States141 Posts
I think the issue is mainly less time available. A highschool/college student has tons of free time to think about/play the game and not nearly as many external responsibilities as a working adult with a family. I don't think your reflexes/coordination degrade that much by 31, a lot of players are just slow due to lack of practice, has nothing to do with age. | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On May 17 2013 18:24 Cel.erity wrote: There's a lot of misinformation being posted in this thread. When you get older, your brain does not "deteriorate". You do not get slower. The evidence says otherwise, actually. Still, it's a slow decline starting in the late 20s, so it shouldn't affect most pro-gamers. | ||
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