EPTDoes age matter in SC2 - Page 4
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iyasq8
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On May 17 2013 09:37 Zenbrez wrote: Engagements are the most important part in a game. Have an optimal keybind configuration? Use camera location hotkeys? Use 3 control groups for your army? Never miss an inject? Great map awareness? Awesome! You can do all of these better than your opponent, but if he has a better understanding and execution of engagements, he could potentially beat you every time. (knowledge > physical aspects) Engagements are almost entirely mechanical, lol. All the components of the actual engagement are mechanical - I suppose the only knowledge elements would be composition and deciding whether to engage/how to engage. The other 90% of an engagement is purely physical. | ||
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AeroGear
Canada652 Posts
I'd be pretty content with being consistent and remaining top 8 diamond if I played only 10 games a week. As long as you're enjoying the game the ladder rank is rather meaningless, you just want to be high enough to avoid facing non-stop all-ins and cheese builds. As for age? RSS (repetitive stress syndrome) aside, I think someone can keep on playing at a high level for quite some time but you have to help yourself out. I've seen examples of athletes thrown around... These athletes may thank their genetics for it, but its mostly due to a very strict regimen and discipline. A lesson that can translate to almost anything in life. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
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Uni1987
Netherlands642 Posts
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
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Jernstolpe
Sweden12 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Hangman89
Singapore43 Posts
You may be interested in the above link. My personal opinion is that age does decrease your handspeed but not to the extent where you are at a significant disadvantage to your opponent. (not unless you are competing with the best of the best). Bearing in mind that players like whitera, nestea and dimaga are pretty "old" and still regulars in masters and GM, i think you should not have a problem getting to masters. + Show Spoiler + Also, i think age/experience is useful in some cases like dealing with ladder anxiety, BM and base race scenarios. Glhf on ladder!  | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On May 17 2013 09:09 Toons wrote: I have 1 build per matchup, practice those exclusively i think this is what is the real issue for you. the difference between a real good player and an average masters player is how they scout and react to adjust their build to exploit the opponent. terran players are real good at this for example the 6:30 scan timing. hand speed is not crippling to an older gamer until they are competing at a GM level where idle seconds on a medivac can mean the difference in a game. | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
There is, however, proof that if you keep practicing on a daily basis, older people can maintain their speed, senses and memory throughout aging, all the way up to 55+. Once you hit 55 you will slowly start to notice the aging process, but at 31?! No way josé. What I think: - 25 games a week is slow - Your game knowledge is severely lacking - You compensate your lack of game knowledge with mechanics - Your mechanics are rusty because of the small game pool / week -> BAM back to diamond because you can't compensate enough. Because if you would have had proper (enough) knowledge, you would;'ve hit masters with minimal required APM. | ||
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Morlock
68 Posts
Some people over 30 will be faster than most 18 year olds. 18-year-olds might be faster on average, but it's not a comment on all people in these age groups. It's only a statistical average. Then there's the fact that practice counts for a great deal. Top players say that the best way to get high APM is just practice, practice, practice. No doubt though you have to be conscious of speed, and make sure you have a good mouse and mouse mat. I was using the back of an envelope for a mouse mat with a cheap mouse that I had since 2004. My APM was capped at like 50, and I was worried age might be making me slow (I'm late 20s). But now, after I got a proper gaming mouse + mouse mat, I'm 200 APM when playing well. | ||
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BjoernK
194 Posts
I remember hearing/reading some of the above points but don't claim they are scientific. Still it should not be too hard to accept. My gut feeling is, that the optimal sc2 age is around 16-24. That's the period of time when the brain is at peak performance. So I think a 16-24 year old will improve a lot faster than a 30+ year old. That said reaching masters should be achievable for most people who really like to play. However not necessarily at the rate of 25 games per week or 4 games per day which the opening poster claims to have. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
These 3 "qualities" tend to deteriorate past 16 years old. Usually other physical qualities start emerging at that time, such as stronger muscles and more technique, but these qualities are useless in the world of Starcraft where all you need is speed and experience. In other words, small and tiny asian teenagers (20-) with a culture of hard work are definitely at an advantage. | ||
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Morlock
68 Posts
On May 17 2013 15:51 kaluro wrote: No need to be black-and-white about it. It's condescending and not even accurate anyway. In fact, it's dumb.Because if you would have had proper (enough) knowledge, you would;'ve hit masters with minimal required APM. The dichotomy between APM and "game knowledge" is just about as stupid as saying the only two qualities required for being a good football player are speed and understanding of how to kick a ball. Your APM has to be distributed well and you have to know how to apply your game knowledge in timed situations and under pressure. It's one thing to understand something, but it's another for it to be second nature. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
However, I believe that there is an optimal age for every sport. While youngsters excel in having really good periods. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On May 17 2013 09:09 Toons wrote: Not sure if this belongs here, but here goes. History/Information Rank 1 Diamond NA (not much, but have played to high plat on KR) Made Masters twice on EU, but got demoted back to diamond after being beat too much. Played RTS from Warcraft 2 onward (i'm 31 this year) Follow SC2 fairly regularly (streams, replays, etc) Play somewhere over 25 games a week (sometimes more, some less, 57% ratio) Problem I feel like i'm bumping into a skill ceiling every 5-10 games (the way MMR works, thats probably about right)
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I really dont intend this to be a whine post, i literally dont know how much more I can do in game ... Do I just bounce around this level, and just have to get ok with that? Thanks for reading. Im 100% sure that you dont understand the game perfectly, Im sure there are tons of things you can work on you just need the right mindset, Goody is a progamer with insanely low apm. another one is sOs (gsl ro8 protoss). | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
it all comes down on how much effort you put into improving and how important it is for you. the older you are, the more things outside of gaming matter (job, family, household, etc.), so it's basically a question of time and dedication. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Psychobabas
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