EPTOn May 17 2013 09:23 HappyZerGling wrote:
Nestea won his GSL after 30 so you know the answer
Nestea won his GSL after 30 so you know the answer
nestea isnt even 30 yet...
Does age matter in SC2 - Page 3
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vult
United States9400 Posts
nestea isnt even 30 yet... | ||
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Pierrot
Canada53 Posts
On May 17 2013 10:07 Toons wrote: When did i say i was too old to play? WTF?!? EDIT: Some good posts mixed with borderline passive aggressive shit from a few ppl, seriously. Did my post come across as borderline passive aggressive? That wasn't my intent. You asked the question "Am i achieving all i can mechanically due to age vs speed?" and the point of my post is that age has nothing to do with speed. I posted a video that demonstrates this, and listed some examples in other fields. If you prefer, I could just be straight-up aggressive, or just honest. You lose because you suck, not because you are 31. Stop blaming something that has nothing to do with your performance. But sucking at a video game is not a bad thing. You are 31, the have other priorities, you have less time to devote to your hobby. It's not a big deal. Play the game and have fun. As long as you are playing people that are on your level, the game provides an interesting challenge. Does it really matter if you never make it out of diamond? | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
I do think though, that teenagers learn faster. I can't give you a detailed physiological explanation for that, I'm simply not qualified. I do however think that since the brain is growing and devoloping in that period that it's logical to assume that it's a good time to take in information and store it. | ||
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Vidar
United States35 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I am a lot slower now because I do not play as much. Some months I might only actually play 20 games. This is because I do not have as much time where I can just sit and focus on playing. Still, speed is not holding me back. If I were faster then it would help, but the beauty of rts is that it is complex enough that there are many ways that you can improve. Also, speed in SC2 is not really about how fast you can move your hands. I think it is more about how much you can do subconsciously. If you play 20 games per day then you get into habits to do things without thinking about them and your apm doubles. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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intense555
United States474 Posts
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Pierrot
Canada53 Posts
On May 17 2013 11:08 Kaitlin wrote: That video of the concert pianist is silly. He has probably been playing piano, developing that muscle memory for at least 50 years. I'd like to see him try to teach someone his age, who has never played piano before, to do that. Also, part of the effects of aging is slower reflexes and quick thinking in reaction to what happens in game. Neither of those are exhibited in a practiced piano piece, but are tested in every game of Starcraft. It's not just about the physical ability to move the fingers, which in itself also slows down, but the others I mentioned, all of which deteriorate with age. Ok, then how about the other examples? You know, things like sports, MMA, racing, being a pilot? The OP is 31. He does not lose because of age, or for that matter, speed either. He loses because he is bad. This just popped in my mind too, remember when DRG stomped someone in masters while playing using chopsticks? That is far more of a handicap to hand speed than being 31. It still didn't matter. Speed actually isn't that important in SC2 beneath the professional level, and it certainly is not what is holding someone back when they play on ladder as a hobby. | ||
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koonst
United States215 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On May 17 2013 11:33 Pierrot wrote: Ok, then how about the other examples? You know, things like sports, MMA, racing, being a pilot? The OP is 31. He does not lose because of age, or for that matter, speed either. He loses because he is bad. This just popped in my mind too, remember when DRG stomped someone in masters while playing using chopsticks? That is far more of a handicap to hand speed than being 31. It still didn't matter. Speed actually isn't that important in SC2 beneath the professional level, and it certainly is not what is holding someone back when they play on ladder as a hobby. I'm not saying the effects that come with age are the only factor, or even a major factor determining one's ability in Starcraft, just that there is an effect. I'd even say that with commitment, someone into their 40's can reach Master League, but it would be more difficult for them than if they were in their teens. This is even ignoring the whole part about the younger generation today basically grew up with these types of games, whereas someone in their 40's grew up before the internet and probably played video games with 4 buttons and a joystick. | ||
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Trojanoz
Australia22 Posts
On May 17 2013 11:08 Kaitlin wrote: I'm not saying the effects that come with age are the only factor, or even a major factor determining one's ability in Starcraft, just that there is an effect. I'd even say that with commitment, someone into their 40's can reach Master League, but it would be more difficult for them than if they were in their teens. This is even ignoring the whole part about the younger generation today basically grew up with these types of games, whereas someone in their 40's grew up before the internet and probably played video games with 4 buttons and a joystick. hmm as someone well in their 40's most of my first PC games were keyboard control Wolfenstien etc. Then quake came in and the mouse was an option (i was the last in our quake clan to move over to mouse LOL) - first RTS i played was Dune 2 but in those days it was just single player. yes age does effect speed but the argument here seems to have moved on to how important speed really is. the fact that younger people have grown up with the keyboard as their writing tool is more of a factor then older guys using joysticks. the average 18 year old knows there way around a keyboard much better than the average 40+ person - that's an advantage. | ||
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BernabusStarcraft2
Scotland112 Posts
Age might make you slower to get better - but its not the reason your still diamond. | ||
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Ry2D2
United States429 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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m0nt
Australia80 Posts
its just because older players have less time. | ||
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On May 17 2013 09:14 MagnuMizer wrote: I suppose your speed deteriorates over time when you age Not really. Ask anyone who plays a musical instrument professionally. | ||
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Gojira621
United States374 Posts
For awhile it seemed like the popular opinion was that peak sc2 players were in their teens and after that you decline by early 20s. Maybe for brood war but for sc2 I just don't see that. e-sports in general is still so young and the reason you see so few pro gamers past mid 20s is because most of them have found other paths in life. Pro gaming has only been around a decade or so, and even then outside korea its nearly non-existant until sc2 came along, I think. It doesn't make sense either because a person at age 30 is generally in their prime for just about every other sport/profession so I don't see why your skill at clicking buttons and moving a mouse around is determined primarily by age. It has a lot to do with smarts, decision making, game sense, etc. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
If you know when and where to take engagements, scout and know how to read what you see, you should be able to easily reach high-masters even with very low apm (unless of course you're pushing something insanely low say below 80 real-time apm). If you really play only a single build in each match-up, you should be able to crush most people (unless of course facing off against a counter build). Chances are: - your builds are inferior - you execute your builds in a suboptimal fashion - you don't respond properly to what your opponent does (or you don't scout properly) - you take engagements at the wrong time (or the wrong place) | ||
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