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Does age matter in SC2 - Page 9
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myVidster
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Clap Clap Clap If you want to disprove my statements, try using facts and data. All you provide is hypocritical data (what you think, not what is known). | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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DrDeep
16 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On August 19 2013 07:25 -Kaiser- wrote: I have like 90 APM and I've been master every season since season 2. Scouting, decisions, and consistency are more important than APM, you just have to tailor your playstyle to your abilities. I can play roach/hydra in zvt at a much higher level of execution than muta/ling/bane, for example. Do you feel at all that this hinders your progress? I've doubled my apm over time by playing micro intensive styles with lots of lings/mutas/counter attacks and whatnot. It encourages if not forces you to play with higher apm to keep up and be effective. I'm not sure I would have seen the same results if I was just balling up a big army. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
On August 19 2013 09:59 Tachion wrote: Do you feel at all that this hinders your progress? I've doubled my apm over time by playing micro intensive styles with lots of lings/mutas/counter attacks and whatnot. It encourages if not forces you to play with higher apm to keep up and be effective. I'm not sure I would have seen the same results if I was just balling up a big army. I mean, it hinders my progress so far as the options that are available to me, but I play so seldom (just enough to stay Master, basically) that I have no delusions of going GM. There's always the option of playing styles that force speed and just working up my APM, but this thread is asking "Can I do it without it?", and the answer is definitely yes. There's a master league guy that plays using the Xbox controller, and iNcontrol is in GM. Being consistent, tight, and making good decisions will take you just as far as speed if you play to those strengths. If I put a spore and spine in my bases and make sure to keep a few units in position, I don't need massive APM to deal with drops. If I'm going roach/hydra, I don't need to worry about microing and multitasking so bad. If I play a midgame all-in style like roach/bane off 3 base, I don't need to worry about my macro or my lategame army control, etc. If I'm bad vs protoss air, but good vs zealot archon, I'll deliberately do a disadvantageous opening that invites my opponent into zealot archon instead of air. In clan wars, I do 'gimmicky' catz shit like proxy hatches and weird tech routes and unusual timings that allow me to take games off of GM and high master players, because I make the game into something I'm more familiar with than them. You can play SC2 like a strategy game if you really want to, and it's plenty important. Platinum players have 120+ APM nowadays, but it doesn't help if you don't know what you're doing. | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On August 19 2013 16:49 -Kaiser- wrote: I mean, it hinders my progress so far as the options that are available to me, but I play so seldom (just enough to stay Master, basically) that I have no delusions of going GM. There's always the option of playing styles that force speed and just working up my APM, but this thread is asking "Can I do it without it?", and the answer is definitely yes. There's a master league guy that plays using the Xbox controller, and iNcontrol is in GM. Being consistent, tight, and making good decisions will take you just as far as speed if you play to those strengths. Are you absolutely sure he is in masters? I thought it was diamond. | ||
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Eifer
United States138 Posts
On August 19 2013 16:52 kaluro wrote: Are you absolutely sure he is in masters? I thought it was diamond. Pretty sure he got masters | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On August 19 2013 16:56 StatixEx wrote: im 32 i dont know about you but i have a family and full time job so find it hard to keep up with the meta, you will see one thing and go oh hes doing that x build but then in comes some other stuff. it doesnt change that much that often but dicking around in the lower leagues not being able to read anything keeps you there. sometimes i believe id be better off in masters as everythings the way you see it on stream. Nah age has got no bearing as long as you have a physical ability to do it, if anything we dont get ladder anx as much as by now we are beginning to realise its only a game and it doesnt matter than we even or ever played it . . . i mean i dar you to brag ur a masters sc2 player in an interview or new setting of real life importance I have been masters for 6 seasons straight without having pretty much any insight on scouting intelligence. I play my own game, my own pace and am really aggressive at that. My opponents have to adapt to my pace and not the other way around. I don't know anything about metagames or what to scout ( Yeah, I know how to scout whether it's mech or bio, and whether protoss is going stargate or robo.. which anyone can do at 7:30), I just play my own game and keep the aggression and map control on, while practicing good mechanics. Saying you have to keep up with builds/metagame etc. to get anywhere is a lame excuse. Up to mid masters it does not make a single difference, as long as you play your own game and have good mechanics. Sorry to disappoint you but I have no idea how to scout 'so called builds', I scout once at 7:30 to see which buildings are up so I know which tech is up, but builds? no. Spire = muta, stargate = air, robo = colossus/immortals, more than one barracks = bio, more than one factory = mech, that is IT. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2240242/1/Kaluro/ | ||
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FreedomSC2
Canada224 Posts
Hope you reach masters :D best of luck sir. | ||
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smaug81243
94 Posts
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
I am now 30 years, I have a taxing job that stresses and goes on my mind. This is a factor that comes with the age if you are a *normal* player who doesn't do this for a living. I don't entertain a family or my time for gaming would be even less. I remember when I was younger, when I was still at school or university I would think about my game of flavor during the lessons, I would spreadsheet and plan when I come home and play for hours. Nowadays I don't do these things anymore, I am simply to exhausted, when I come home I just wanna relax and have a good time and I just dont do spread-sheeting, think about meta gaming, or what not anymore. I just want to relax and well, at least for me starcraft is not relaxing, it is taxing and so I stopped playing it months ago because I played less and less until I was so bad that I din't want to play anymore. I knew I could be better if I had the time and if I was not so mentally exhausted from my work, but that's not in it for me so I quit playing and just lurk TL forums, watch streams or play Dota matches (most of them against bots). I think that when you get older it is true for most people that they simply don't have the drive they once had for gaming. They want more relaxation, not necessary dumbed down play, but slower play (at least that's true for me). I know that many will disagree and point out that this pro player or that guy is completely different and that's true. But for me and several of my gaming friends who aged with me, this is the way it feels for us. We remember the times when we got the craziest kills in Counterstrike or Battlefield Bad Company 2 or what not for example and when we play a game of Battlefield 3 today, we don't even know what hit us and just die all the time without ever even seeing the enemy. | ||
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Schism
Australia85 Posts
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Earll
Norway847 Posts
I mean OP is 32 and is asking if he is capped because of his age as diamond, Boxer and White-ra are 32 and pretty sure they could both reach grandmaster if they felt like it (assuming they aren't already which they very well might be) | ||
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Sevre
Ireland619 Posts
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Dzerzhinsky
Scotland327 Posts
I've still managed to reach relatively high Masters (~450th atm on NA) and beat my fair share of GMs by building my play around my strengths (positioning, decision making, preparation, etc) instead of worrying how bad I might be if I tried to use Flash's latest build. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15677 Posts
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