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EG seems to have A LOT of money - maybe/probably more than other teams -, but I dont think it would be a good thing for them to simply buy up all the best players. Let me explain why:
Here in germany we have the football Bundesliga and the richest club by miles is Bayern Munich. They have bought the best players from other clubs for decades now and even though this has given the other clubs a little money in the form of transfer fees, it still damages the competition by breaking apart good teams because the "star players" are offered higher salaries. Often enough this has ended with those players sitting on a star studded bench in Munich and not playing all that much.
So to prevent this from happening I would advise EG to exercise caution when it comes to buying talent. Luckily the danger seems not as great though, because there are a lot of talented players out there, but denying other teams the opportunity to have a big motivator is a bad thing for the sport in general. My current impression is that they havent really managed to get a super successful TEAM going and it might be a wiser choice to look for younger players with lots of talent and develop them over a long time in a stable environment.
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On May 16 2013 22:09 Rabiator wrote:
EG seems to have A LOT of money - maybe/probably more than other teams -, but I dont think it would be a good thing for them to simply buy up all the best players. Let me explain why:
Here in germany we have the football Bundesliga and the richest club by miles is Bayern Munich. They have bought the best players from other clubs for decades now and even though this has given the other clubs a little money in the form of transfer fees, it still damages the competition by breaking apart good teams because the "star players" are offered higher salaries. Often enough this has ended with those players sitting on a star studded bench in Munich and not playing all that much.
So to prevent this from happening I would advise EG to exercise caution when it comes to buying talent. Luckily the danger seems not as great though, because there are a lot of talented players out there, but denying other teams the opportunity to have a big motivator is a bad thing for the sport in general. My current impression is that they havent really managed to get a super successful TEAM going and it might be a wiser choice to look for younger players with lots of talent and develop them over a long time in a stable environment.
Yeah it would be a problem if this was purely a team game, plus as it stands right now, EG-TL is DEAD LAST in proleague, and that is where they want to compete. I think they're very far from having bought up all the talent.
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On May 16 2013 21:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 21:45 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote:
Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans? If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be. don't confuse marketability with personality How is a player like Parting not marketable? ??? Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
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At the start of the current SPL, EGTL thought that they were top tier with their current rosters
just because those KESPA Players didn`t play competitive sc2 for that long...
The end of the story is currently running with EGTL on the last spot.
If they want to compete they ll need way more korean talent and by "talent"
i mean top tier talent like Innovation, Life or RoRo.
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On May 16 2013 22:24 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 21:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:45 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote:
Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans? If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be. don't confuse marketability with personality How is a player like Parting not marketable? ??? Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment. it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
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Don't think IdrA and Stephano leaving will change plans for the proleague team. So unless they get another star player for the proleague, that they try to market outside of Korea, too, they only need to change their foreign roster.
- Doesn't make sense to add an NA player except Scarlett. And even then, she has wrists problems and appears to be pretty happy with Team Acer.
- There isn't and probably won't be a dominating player in the EU scene like Stephano was (with the Zerg style he founded). The closest thing to that would be LucifroN, who said no to EG already. Would need to up the offer to change his mind.
- The other option would be to add several NA or EU players at once. But that's not EG's style, EG is not a team that builds up talent and it's not what their sponsors are looking for.
- Or get a Korean with marketable personality and move/support him to the US, like Polt or viOlet. Market him as the American Dream or something.
- It would be the best for professional reasons if HuK moved back to NA. It is pretty clear that there is nothing to take from Korea as a foreigner anymore. Otherwise he will just drop out like JinrO.
- Let Suppy pause his studies and give him a fulltime year. Not sure if that's what Suppy and EG want.
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On May 16 2013 22:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 22:24 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:45 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote:
Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans? If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be. don't confuse marketability with personality How is a player like Parting not marketable? ??? Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment. it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits. Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
bogus, soulkey and shy are all pretty reserved and plenty of people get their knickers in a twist about them.
and there is not such thing as 'no personality' =.=. there are reserved/extroverted/etc personalities but only robots have "no personalities" zzz
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They should pick up some young NA GM players at a low price. Would be good for them and the scene.
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I've been thinking this same thing. PLEASE EG, don't take anybody from my beloved SKT. Especially not Parting, Rain or Fantasy (one day he will be the best...maybe).
I think EG should be looking at this fella named sOs. He's only just become a star, but he's EASILY the best non-SKT Protoss on the planet right now. He's also entertaining as hell to watch and would give EG-TL an incredibly solid ace (Taeja is probably the only player good enough for the ace spot, but he's injured, which makes life hard).
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On May 16 2013 22:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 22:24 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:45 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote:
Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans? If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be. don't confuse marketability with personality How is a player like Parting not marketable? ??? Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment. it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits. Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
just because not everyone dances and crossdresses on his stream doesnt mean they dont have personalities u ignorant ass
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On May 16 2013 22:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 22:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 22:24 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:45 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote:
Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans? If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be. don't confuse marketability with personality How is a player like Parting not marketable? ??? Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment. it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits. Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill. bogus, soulkey and shy are all pretty reserved and plenty of people get their knickers in a twist about them. and there is not such thing as 'no personality' =.=. there are reserved/extroverted/etc personalities but only robots have "no personalities" zzz
Boring personalities, then.
to the poster above me: I despise Dragon. I mean players like Parting/MC that are more interesting than your typical boring "I will try my best for the fans" snoozefest. That's the kind of players EG likes to pick up, so this line of thinking is 100% relevant and valid to this subject.
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if EG buys and ruins life i will kill some people.
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On May 16 2013 22:40 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 22:32 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 22:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 22:24 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:45 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote:
Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans? If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be. don't confuse marketability with personality How is a player like Parting not marketable? ??? Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment. it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits. Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill. bogus, soulkey and shy are all pretty reserved and plenty of people get their knickers in a twist about them. and there is not such thing as 'no personality' =.=. there are reserved/extroverted/etc personalities but only robots have "no personalities" zzz Boring personalities, then. to the poster above me: I despise Dragon. I mean players like Parting/MC that are more interesting than your typical boring "I will try my best for the fans" snoozefest. That's the kind of players EG likes to pick up, so this line of thinking is 100% relevant and valid to this subject.
I disagree. In many ways, the team, not the player, creates personality through advertizing/PR. The player shouldn't have a second job of making himself "cool" for you. It's icing on the cake. If the player refuses to learn any english, then that's a different story. Since, let's face it, that's the main obstacle regarding Koreans.
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On May 16 2013 22:33 TRaFFiC wrote:
They should pick up some young NA GM players at a low price. Would be good for them and the scene.
NA GM aint worth shit in Korea. You never realized that EG only signs ppl once they have peaked ( hence the EG curse )?
sure it would be a low investment, but the returns on that investment would be marginal at best imo.
If dudes like Incontrol and Demuslim are NA GMs and cant even get close to korea or risk being dismembered, what purpose would another NA GM serve on the team? virtual punching bag?
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EG Picked up Naniwa and no Tighthunter. Why should they pick up other players outside for Pro League. TL should pick up Flash! Its EG-TL and TL should do something too for the Pro League
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On May 16 2013 22:53 tadL wrote:
EG Picked up Naniwa and no Tighthunter. Why should they pick up other players outside for Pro League. TL should pick up Flash! Its EG-TL and TL should do something too for the Pro League
No Tighthunter made me chuckle ^^
It's TideHunter, a hero in Dota. They just heavily disliked the hero and named the team after that.
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On May 16 2013 22:52 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 22:33 TRaFFiC wrote:
They should pick up some young NA GM players at a low price. Would be good for them and the scene. NA GM aint worth shit in Korea. You never realized that EG only signs ppl once they have peaked ( hence the EG curse )? sure it would be a low investment, but the returns on that investment would be marginal at best imo. If dudes like Incontrol and Demuslim are NA GMs and cant even get close to korea or risk being dismembered, what purpose would another NA GM serve on the team? virtual punching bag?
If you sign young gm players (I'm talking 15-17 years old here), they obviously haven't peaked yet. They are full of potential and you get them at a low price. The return on investment could be much bigger in the long run. It also supports the NA scene. Isn't that most important?
Incontrol is very underrated, but he also peaked a long time ago. He's not getting much better. Demu is owning up NA. He doesn't want to go to Korea.
As far as competing in Korea goes, they should get koreans.
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i guess the world revolves around eg
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On May 16 2013 22:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 22:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 22:24 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:45 opterown wrote:On May 16 2013 21:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote:
Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans? If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be. don't confuse marketability with personality How is a player like Parting not marketable? ??? Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment. it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits. Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill. bogus, soulkey and shy are all pretty reserved and plenty of people get their knickers in a twist about them. and there is not such thing as 'no personality' =.=. there are reserved/extroverted/etc personalities but only robots have "no personalities" zzz
Personality is a bad term that we throw around a lot when talking about players. We should be more focused on players that can make a connection with their fans outside of their own gameplay. They don’t need to be an over the top personality like MC. It doesn't take a lot of effort and even the reserved players can do something to connect with their fans. Players like Crank, who is normally pretty reserved, is still endearing when he tries to post things to TB on twitter in English.
But the standard:
• Go to booth
• Play best of 5
• Win/lose
• After match interview if they win
• Radio Silence until next round of GSL
is makes is very hard to connect or feel invested in that player unless you really enjoy their gameplay. This is where the “Korean Robot” stereotype comes from and its not wrong for people watching to want a bit more from the players. After all, we are fans and asking “hey, we think your awesome, can we see more of you?” should be considered a good thing.
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On May 16 2013 15:00 -Archangel- wrote:
Only two foreigners left with big market value: EGTLO or EGGrubby
I highly doubt it's either of them since Grubby is quite happy with being solo sponsored and he also used to be on EG at the beginning of SC2. And TLO just loves TeamLiquid. I don't think he's that kind of person who would trade money for a family
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