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On August 07 2013 03:19 tshi wrote:
I wonder if stephano keeps up with this thread, lol
Haha I was wondering the same thing.
Btw, lol at everyone arguing about different countries school programs. Go make a debate thread or something..
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On August 07 2013 03:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 03:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 02:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote:On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like? It's totally fucking retarded for starters? The British system makes much more sense, you're judged on your high school grades and in some case an entrance test before you start, If you don't get in you can do something else, only you haven't wasted an ENTIRE YEAR OF YOUR LIFE. This might make some sense, maybe (well no it would still be retarded, just less retarded) if they vetted the system to only get good applicants and kicked off say 25-50% of the course but to kick off 90% for something that takes a year to do? Retarded beyond belief. And it's not free either, it wastes an entire year of your life which is not only wasted time but a wasted years salary (so 15,000 Euros minimum) that you didn't earn because you were wasting a year of your life doing nothing before presumably reapplying to do an alternate degree a year later. That sounds like the best way to handle it, rather than tests and scores. People are not going to know if they want to be in the field until they try. And the 90% that drop out is during the first year, which means they leave at some point. Law school in the US works the same way(those costs more). If people want to try and then change their mind, that is a perfectly acceptable system. Medical school has almost nothing at all to do with what being a doctor is actually like in practice, especially in the first year. Sitting in a classroom learning theory is a million miles away from ward work. And going to law school has nothing to do with being a lawyer. The test you take to get in has nothing to do with law school. And the BAR does not test if you are a good lawyer or even able to practice law. Its fine to let people try and change their mind if they can have that option. There is nothing wrong with the system if people are making good decisions and they are finding good doctors.
Personally having graduated from law school already a few years ago and practising law now I'll agree in part. Certainly there are sections in the curriculum that don't directly translate into the working life, but to me most things do. However as far as the entrance examinations go I'll agree that they're mostly testing intelligence and the dedication to study hard instead of anything else actually subject related. The applicants with the will to spend a few months studying the examination material twelve to sixteen hours a day usually get in. If not on the first time, on the second or third time.
As far as Stephano's decision goes I think it's great for his future. It'll put a halt to his progaming career but he will still find the time to play more than enough Starcraft to enjoy himself. He has a reputation of not practising too hard anyway.
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What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try?
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Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school.
Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years.
Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well.
On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try?
I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try 
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On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try?
If you get 5000 applications and accept 100 new students, and in some cases less, doing well simply isn't good enough. You'll have to be in the top 2% scores to get in. A lot of people get rejected and then spend a whole year studying 8+ hours per day for another crack at it.
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On August 07 2013 04:00 Geiko wrote:Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school. Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years. Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well. Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try? I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try
That system sounds aweful  .
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On August 07 2013 04:14 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:00 Geiko wrote:Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school. Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years. Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well. On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try? I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try That system sounds aweful .
Not as awful as having to pay 200k+$ for something that you can get for free in Europe :p
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well, I guess for Stephano spending 200k is easier than learingn 12-16h each day :D
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On August 07 2013 04:14 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:00 Geiko wrote:Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school. Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years. Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well. On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try? I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try That system sounds aweful .
Its better than our current system, which involves letting everyone and them being indebt for the next 10-15 years.
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On August 07 2013 04:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:14 docvoc wrote:On August 07 2013 04:00 Geiko wrote:Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school. Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years. Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well. On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try? I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try That system sounds aweful . Its better than our current system, which involves letting everyone and them being indebt for the next 10-15 years.
I am not so convinced it is better. It is a system that basically Denies 98% of applicants even a Chance at the education. Where over here the top 2% get a free ride as well and everyone else pays their way in.
Neither system is perfect, but honestly at least our system results in more educated people faster. If many of them are too stupid to not manage their debt and keep it at a level they can reasonably pay off, that is their fault. At this stage of my life I have multiple degrees, and a plethora of IT certifications and out side 1 small 10k loan at the start. I have never piled up huge amounts of debt.
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The end of an era indeed. Although possibly one of the few pros who didn't keep their career going on too long (can't exactly say he went out on top) - much respect to Stephano for all he's done and for being able to let it go too.
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Stephano's words at the end of the game were quite sad. Good luck and thanks for the good times though.
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On August 07 2013 04:37 Dekoth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:32 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 04:14 docvoc wrote:On August 07 2013 04:00 Geiko wrote:Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school. Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years. Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well. On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try? I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try That system sounds aweful . Its better than our current system, which involves letting everyone and them being indebt for the next 10-15 years. I am not so convinced it is better. It is a system that basically Denies 98% of applicants even a Chance at the education. Where over here the top 2% get a free ride as well and everyone else pays their way in. Neither system is perfect, but honestly at least our system results in more educated people faster. If many of them are too stupid to not manage their debt and keep it at a level they can reasonably pay off, that is their fault. At this stage of my life I have multiple degrees, and a plethora of IT certifications and out side 1 small 10k loan at the start. I have never piled up huge amounts of debt.
yeah, but top2 % of effort/skill, not rich parents
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Can you get back on topic?
If you wanna discuss medical school, make a thread in the general forum.
Goodbye Stephano! You were always my favourite! :D
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Kaelaris almost cried just now.
GG Stephano !
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On August 07 2013 04:37 Dekoth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:32 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 04:14 docvoc wrote:On August 07 2013 04:00 Geiko wrote:Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school. Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years. Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well. On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try? I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try That system sounds aweful . Its better than our current system, which involves letting everyone and them being indebt for the next 10-15 years. I am not so convinced it is better. It is a system that basically Denies 98% of applicants even a Chance at the education. Where over here the top 2% get a free ride as well and everyone else pays their way in. Neither system is perfect, but honestly at least our system results in more educated people faster. If many of them are too stupid to not manage their debt and keep it at a level they can reasonably pay off, that is their fault. At this stage of my life I have multiple degrees, and a plethora of IT certifications and out side 1 small 10k loan at the start. I have never piled up huge amounts of debt.
You and I are the exception, not the rule. I also was educated through state education and did not rack up a ton of loans. Denying people is not bad if they would not have made it in the system, it is just being honest. There is part of me that wishes we denied people more and provided more direction for young students.
At the end of the day, both systems have flaws, but one of them is free for everyone to try out for and free for those who make it. It seems like a more honest system from someone who has a number of friends with large amounts of debt and not amazing jobs.
And GG Stephano, you reminded people that this game is supposed to be fun, not a whine fest. You never bitched and were only hung over a few times, but always funny.
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On August 07 2013 04:14 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:00 Geiko wrote:Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school. Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years. Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well. On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try? I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try That system sounds aweful .
Unlike schools in America, schools in Europe you get into because you deserve to be there, not because your parents can pay for it.
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Goodbye Stephano. I talked to you once.
You will be missed. Wish you the best in life.
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On August 07 2013 04:37 Dekoth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:32 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 04:14 docvoc wrote:On August 07 2013 04:00 Geiko wrote:Allowing people to go de med school based on their high school grades is pretty ridiculous because you are using grades in a general education program as a test for how well you'll do in med school. Of the 85% of people who fail 1st year in France, 50% are already gone by first semester (so only 1 semester lost to find out wether you're any good at being a doctor) and 8% will succeed in the next year. That leaves 20% who fail the exam after a year and 7% who fail the exam after two years. Most of what you learn in 1st year med schools is general math, physics and biology which are necessary for any scientific studies. Even if you do fail, you haven't wasted a year of your life since chances are this is stuff you'll have to learn for other studies as well. On August 07 2013 04:00 MaxViktory wrote:
What fucking examinations are so harsh that you have to study 12-16 hours a day to maybe get in on your first try? I studied in the french "classes préparatoires" for 2 years at 12-16 hours a day and didn't get in my school on my first try That system sounds aweful . Its better than our current system, which involves letting everyone and them being indebt for the next 10-15 years. Neither system is perfect, but honestly at least our system results in more educated people faster.
Wait what? Educated person in the US? oO
Troll aside, I'll miss the guy. I was hoping for some more ceremony.
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