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On August 07 2013 00:01 BronzeKnee wrote:
Stephano will be back. He is a big name, and he thinks highly of himself.
He is so talented at SC2 and he'll want adoration and respect.
Agreed. It's also really hard to change your lifestyle. College is like totally different than a progamercareer.
I expect him to be back after 3 months.
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On August 06 2013 23:23 freakhill wrote:
Just to precise, everybody can get on the course in France. You need to get better marks than others to pass the 1st year though (numerus clausus).
ps: also, it's free.
Indeed. but to get an idea, ~90% of First year get kicked out. If you do not pass, you are allow to re-try _once_. iow you have a total of 2 attempts allowed (3 in some rare case with waiver due to exceptional circumstances)
In France Med School start after High-School... there is no 4 years University degree to get. Almost anyone with a high school diploma can enter in 1sr year, and yes is is very cheap.
But the First year is structured to weed out most of the would-be doctor. there is a small fixed number of spots in 2nd years, and the first year is a grueling intensive period requiring not only smart, but also an excellent memory and a huge amount of work.. for our US friend that is akind to take 50 credit at once... and to pass you need to be in the top 10%.
The purpose of the system is to quickly select student that have a good chance of completing the program... once you pass the 1st year, with 'normal' hard-work and perseverance, you normally should graduate.
Note: the Top engineering programs work pretty much the same, except that the 'selection' phase is a 2 year process.
And, indeed the tuition fees are typically < $1000 a year, and that cover health insurance.
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On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free
In Belgium we got a really hard exam. If you pass, you can start med school.
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On August 07 2013 01:19 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free In Belgium we got a really hard exam. If you pass, you can start med school.
In America, I dont know.
Anyway, I think he'll play sporadically but who knows. He might change his mind after a few drinks -- er semesters.
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On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous.
looks like someone didnt get the ''free'' memo.
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Good innovation by him. Best of luck.
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On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous.
An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like?
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One more week  Goodbye Stephano
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On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like?
_and_ the criteria to pass is a anonymous competition I (that is the people that grade your work do not know your name). iow you pass on merit, not on connection.
to put it in starcraft terms:
The french system is an open-bracket with essentially no limit on the number of entry and no entry fee.
The US system is first a qualifier (4 -year of University) with $40K-100K entry fee... then you get maybe 'invited', based on your qualifier result and/or who your dady is... and then you still have to pay another $100K or so to compete in the final tournament...
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The time is getting closer; smart move by him, though. I think if I were in his position I would do the exact same thing. Had a great run in SC2, made an impact, leaving while ahead to go back to the real world. For his sake, I hope he doesn't play casually or come back to the game, this is the perfect exit.
EDIT: The career of a progamer is generally not all that long. As much as it hurts to wrap your head around, someone can only do this for so long before losing a lot of their ability to perform or have the continuous passion to push you ahead. The gaming pool does not just stay stagnant with the same people in it trying to rise up over time; people quit, new people join, people quit, new people join, you're always going to be up against newer, younger, hungrier competition. Thumbs up for him making the right move.
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On August 06 2013 11:50 ZataN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 11:46 Doodsmack wrote:On August 06 2013 11:42 ZataN wrote:On August 06 2013 11:23 Surili wrote:On August 06 2013 10:22 ZataN wrote:On August 06 2013 09:47 revel8 wrote:On August 06 2013 09:39 ZataN wrote:On August 06 2013 09:24 GolemMadness wrote:On August 06 2013 09:23 ZataN wrote:
I find it quite funny how everybody accepts Stephanos decision to go study, says it is a good move etc. I don't understand it, if I was that good at a computer game, widely known with tonnes of fans and earning decent money I would never throw it away to be a doctor.
Don't think I will ever understand that. Because he's planning his future? You think he can be a professional Starcraft player forever? Well too many replies to respond to... You definetly cannot be a startcraft player forever, however there are other options in the esports industry. I do agree that planning for your future is a good thing, however it is not 100% important to have a degree to succeed, there are alot of jobs that you don't require a degree for. I personally think society puts too much importance on university education. And it is obvious money is of upmost importance to Stephano, and it is my personal opinion that having money as the most important thing in your life is bad. But obviously Stephano and myself are different people; if he really wasn't enjoying himself playing SC2 and is really going to enjoy being a doctor (lol something I can't really imagine, massive amounts of study so you can get a job with horrendously long hours and massive stress all so you can earn an amount of money that far surpasses the amount of money you need to live comfortably) then good on him. Have you considered the possibility that being a Doctor is about helping sick people rather than about earning money? People can get job satisfaction by actually making a real difference in people's lives and Doctor's certainly make a difference. Possible, unlikely in this case. Sorry, i don't usually join conversations soon angrily, but who are you to say "unlikely in this case." Like you really know anything about what motivations stephano, or his vision for his future. How dare you speak that way about someone, that helping sick people is not something he might want to do. Love how defensive people get. Almost like im insulting them personally. Dude was clearly driven by money, if you couldn't see that you are .... bad at reading people? Stephano played SC2 for the money -> Therefore, the reason Stephano wants to become a doctor is the money. I think you need a couple more steps in between those 2 statements bro. Try again  . Hes not even becoming a doctor according to some post above. ggnore
Oh okay so your whole argument about him becoming a doctor was pointless.
Thanks for confirming.
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Hope to see some real big games from him in the upcoming week and 1/2. Sad it is so close to being done!
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On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like?
It's totally fucking retarded for starters?
The British system makes much more sense, you're judged on your high school grades and in some case an entrance test before you start, If you don't get in you can do something else, only you haven't wasted an ENTIRE YEAR OF YOUR LIFE.
This might make some sense, maybe (well no it would still be retarded, just less retarded) if they vetted the system to only get good applicants and kicked off say 25-50% of the course but to kick off 90% for something that takes a year to do? Retarded beyond belief.
And it's not free either, it wastes an entire year of your life which is not only wasted time but a wasted years salary (so 15,000 Euros minimum) that you didn't earn because you were wasting a year of your life doing nothing before presumably reapplying to do an alternate degree a year later.
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On August 07 2013 01:45 shmget wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote:On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like? _and_ the criteria to pass is a anonymous competition I (that is the people that grade your work do not know your name). iow you pass on merit, not on connection. to put it in starcraft terms: The french system is an open-bracket with essentially no limit on the number of entry and no entry fee. The US system is first a qualifier (4 -year of University) with $40K-100K entry fee... then you get maybe 'invited', based on your qualifier result and/or who your dady is... and then you still have to pay another $100K or so to compete in the final tournament...
Or alternatively you have the UK system which actually makes sense and isn't dumb as fuck like the US or French models.
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We get it, the UK system is flawless and everyone else lives in barbarian states.
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On August 07 2013 02:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote:On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like? It's totally fucking retarded for starters? The British system makes much more sense, you're judged on your high school grades and in some case an entrance test before you start, If you don't get in you can do something else, only you haven't wasted an ENTIRE YEAR OF YOUR LIFE. This might make some sense, maybe (well no it would still be retarded, just less retarded) if they vetted the system to only get good applicants and kicked off say 25-50% of the course but to kick off 90% for something that takes a year to do? Retarded beyond belief. And it's not free either, it wastes an entire year of your life which is not only wasted time but a wasted years salary (so 15,000 Euros minimum) that you didn't earn because you were wasting a year of your life doing nothing before presumably reapplying to do an alternate degree a year later.
That sounds like the best way to handle it, rather than tests and scores. People are not going to know if they want to be in the field until they try. And the 90% that drop out is during the first year, which means they leave at some point. Law school in the US works the same way(those costs more). If people want to try and then change their mind, that is a perfectly acceptable system.
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On August 07 2013 02:56 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
We get it, the UK system is flawless and everyone else lives in barbarian states.
I'm sure loads of countries have other sensible systems, but the US and French ones aren't one of them.
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On August 07 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 02:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote:On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like? It's totally fucking retarded for starters? The British system makes much more sense, you're judged on your high school grades and in some case an entrance test before you start, If you don't get in you can do something else, only you haven't wasted an ENTIRE YEAR OF YOUR LIFE. This might make some sense, maybe (well no it would still be retarded, just less retarded) if they vetted the system to only get good applicants and kicked off say 25-50% of the course but to kick off 90% for something that takes a year to do? Retarded beyond belief. And it's not free either, it wastes an entire year of your life which is not only wasted time but a wasted years salary (so 15,000 Euros minimum) that you didn't earn because you were wasting a year of your life doing nothing before presumably reapplying to do an alternate degree a year later. That sounds like the best way to handle it, rather than tests and scores. People are not going to know if they want to be in the field until they try. And the 90% that drop out is during the first year, which means they leave at some point. Law school in the US works the same way(those costs more). If people want to try and then change their mind, that is a perfectly acceptable system.
Medical school has almost nothing at all to do with what being a doctor is actually like in practice, especially in the first year. Sitting in a classroom learning theory is a million miles away from ward work.
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On August 07 2013 03:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote:On August 07 2013 02:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote:On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On August 07 2013 00:33 Meow-Meow wrote:On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote:On August 06 2013 23:41 zeratul_jf wrote:
Well then the good thing is that he isnt from the UK huh. Sadly im not from france nor have i ever lived there so i can't tell you how med school is there but who knows maybe France is easier than UK, so technically he could just go and be a doctor.
In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free This makes so much more sense than the German system, wherein your NC depends on your high school grades... It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like? It's totally fucking retarded for starters? The British system makes much more sense, you're judged on your high school grades and in some case an entrance test before you start, If you don't get in you can do something else, only you haven't wasted an ENTIRE YEAR OF YOUR LIFE. This might make some sense, maybe (well no it would still be retarded, just less retarded) if they vetted the system to only get good applicants and kicked off say 25-50% of the course but to kick off 90% for something that takes a year to do? Retarded beyond belief. And it's not free either, it wastes an entire year of your life which is not only wasted time but a wasted years salary (so 15,000 Euros minimum) that you didn't earn because you were wasting a year of your life doing nothing before presumably reapplying to do an alternate degree a year later. That sounds like the best way to handle it, rather than tests and scores. People are not going to know if they want to be in the field until they try. And the 90% that drop out is during the first year, which means they leave at some point. Law school in the US works the same way(those costs more). If people want to try and then change their mind, that is a perfectly acceptable system. Medical school has almost nothing at all to do with what being a doctor is actually like in practice, especially in the first year. Sitting in a classroom learning theory is a million miles away from ward work.
And going to law school has nothing to do with being a lawyer. The test you take to get in has nothing to do with law school. And the BAR does not test if you are a good lawyer or even able to practice law.
Its fine to let people try and change their mind if they can have that option. There is nothing wrong with the system if people are making good decisions and they are finding good doctors.
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I wonder if stephano keeps up with this thread, lol
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