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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On August 07 2013 00:01 BronzeKnee wrote: Stephano will be back. He is a big name, and he thinks highly of himself. He is so talented at SC2 and he'll want adoration and respect. Agreed. It's also really hard to change your lifestyle. College is like totally different than a progamercareer. I expect him to be back after 3 months. | ||
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shmget
118 Posts
On August 06 2013 23:23 freakhill wrote: Just to precise, everybody can get on the course in France. You need to get better marks than others to pass the 1st year though (numerus clausus). ps: also, it's free. Indeed. but to get an idea, ~90% of First year get kicked out. If you do not pass, you are allow to re-try _once_. iow you have a total of 2 attempts allowed (3 in some rare case with waiver due to exceptional circumstances) In France Med School start after High-School... there is no 4 years University degree to get. Almost anyone with a high school diploma can enter in 1sr year, and yes is is very cheap. But the First year is structured to weed out most of the would-be doctor. there is a small fixed number of spots in 2nd years, and the first year is a grueling intensive period requiring not only smart, but also an excellent memory and a huge amount of work.. for our US friend that is akind to take 50 credit at once... and to pass you need to be in the top 10%. The purpose of the system is to quickly select student that have a good chance of completing the program... once you pass the 1st year, with 'normal' hard-work and perseverance, you normally should graduate. Note: the Top engineering programs work pretty much the same, except that the 'selection' phase is a 2 year process. And, indeed the tuition fees are typically < $1000 a year, and that cover health insurance. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On August 07 2013 00:23 VieuxSinge wrote: In France if you graduated from High School you can go to med school, but at the end of the first year you have to be in the numerus closus (around 12% of people going to med school will actually reach the 2nd year). edit : but it's free In Belgium we got a really hard exam. If you pass, you can start med school. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:19 Snowbear wrote: In Belgium we got a really hard exam. If you pass, you can start med school. In America, I dont know. Anyway, I think he'll play sporadically but who knows. He might change his mind after a few drinks -- er semesters. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. looks like someone didnt get the ''free'' memo. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: It sounds even more stupid than the US system. Basically they're wasting an entire year of loads of people's lives for no reason. Ridiculous. An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like? | ||
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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
 Goodbye Stephano | ||
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shmget
118 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote: An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like? _and_ the criteria to pass is a anonymous competition I (that is the people that grade your work do not know your name). iow you pass on merit, not on connection. to put it in starcraft terms: The french system is an open-bracket with essentially no limit on the number of entry and no entry fee. The US system is first a qualifier (4 -year of University) with $40K-100K entry fee... then you get maybe 'invited', based on your qualifier result and/or who your dady is... and then you still have to pay another $100K or so to compete in the final tournament... | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
EDIT: The career of a progamer is generally not all that long. As much as it hurts to wrap your head around, someone can only do this for so long before losing a lot of their ability to perform or have the continuous passion to push you ahead. The gaming pool does not just stay stagnant with the same people in it trying to rise up over time; people quit, new people join, people quit, new people join, you're always going to be up against newer, younger, hungrier competition. Thumbs up for him making the right move. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 06 2013 11:50 ZataN wrote: Hes not even becoming a doctor according to some post above. ggnore Oh okay so your whole argument about him becoming a doctor was pointless. Thanks for confirming. | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:27 Shiori wrote: An entire year is nothing, first off. Secondly, how is it being wasted? If they have what it takes, they move on. If not, they can try again or go on to do something else. ...And it's free. Seriously, what's not to like? It's totally fucking retarded for starters? The British system makes much more sense, you're judged on your high school grades and in some case an entrance test before you start, If you don't get in you can do something else, only you haven't wasted an ENTIRE YEAR OF YOUR LIFE. This might make some sense, maybe (well no it would still be retarded, just less retarded) if they vetted the system to only get good applicants and kicked off say 25-50% of the course but to kick off 90% for something that takes a year to do? Retarded beyond belief. And it's not free either, it wastes an entire year of your life which is not only wasted time but a wasted years salary (so 15,000 Euros minimum) that you didn't earn because you were wasting a year of your life doing nothing before presumably reapplying to do an alternate degree a year later. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:45 shmget wrote: _and_ the criteria to pass is a anonymous competition I (that is the people that grade your work do not know your name). iow you pass on merit, not on connection. to put it in starcraft terms: The french system is an open-bracket with essentially no limit on the number of entry and no entry fee. The US system is first a qualifier (4 -year of University) with $40K-100K entry fee... then you get maybe 'invited', based on your qualifier result and/or who your dady is... and then you still have to pay another $100K or so to compete in the final tournament... Or alternatively you have the UK system which actually makes sense and isn't dumb as fuck like the US or French models. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 07 2013 02:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: It's totally fucking retarded for starters? The British system makes much more sense, you're judged on your high school grades and in some case an entrance test before you start, If you don't get in you can do something else, only you haven't wasted an ENTIRE YEAR OF YOUR LIFE. This might make some sense, maybe (well no it would still be retarded, just less retarded) if they vetted the system to only get good applicants and kicked off say 25-50% of the course but to kick off 90% for something that takes a year to do? Retarded beyond belief. And it's not free either, it wastes an entire year of your life which is not only wasted time but a wasted years salary (so 15,000 Euros minimum) that you didn't earn because you were wasting a year of your life doing nothing before presumably reapplying to do an alternate degree a year later. That sounds like the best way to handle it, rather than tests and scores. People are not going to know if they want to be in the field until they try. And the 90% that drop out is during the first year, which means they leave at some point. Law school in the US works the same way(those costs more). If people want to try and then change their mind, that is a perfectly acceptable system. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On August 07 2013 02:56 NrG.Bamboo wrote: We get it, the UK system is flawless and everyone else lives in barbarian states. I'm sure loads of countries have other sensible systems, but the US and French ones aren't one of them. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On August 07 2013 02:57 Plansix wrote: That sounds like the best way to handle it, rather than tests and scores. People are not going to know if they want to be in the field until they try. And the 90% that drop out is during the first year, which means they leave at some point. Law school in the US works the same way(those costs more). If people want to try and then change their mind, that is a perfectly acceptable system. Medical school has almost nothing at all to do with what being a doctor is actually like in practice, especially in the first year. Sitting in a classroom learning theory is a million miles away from ward work. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Medical school has almost nothing at all to do with what being a doctor is actually like in practice, especially in the first year. Sitting in a classroom learning theory is a million miles away from ward work. And going to law school has nothing to do with being a lawyer. The test you take to get in has nothing to do with law school. And the BAR does not test if you are a good lawyer or even able to practice law. Its fine to let people try and change their mind if they can have that option. There is nothing wrong with the system if people are making good decisions and they are finding good doctors. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
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