Call to Action: May 2 Balance Testing - Page 3

On May 03 2013 08:36 hereticfurby wrote:
Fuck that, Oracle is a bullshit unit, requires infinite scouting time to see if proxied or not, and now it's not even necessary to proxy due to how fast they get from point A-B. Oracles hit before medivacs/Vikings are out and forces a Terran to sacrifice way too much tech options in order to have a chance at defending, and even then it's never enough because you get 3-4gate Stargated and you're absolutely fucked. It's ridiculously hard to be able to scout all that at any time and properly defend at 8 minutes. Not to mention that a Terran can't really do anything until at least 10 minutes because of the Photon overcharge, almost entirely nullifying every early Terran all-in. Zerg has no AA answer unless they forcibly use Spore Crawlers, which sacrifices their economy and tech ridiculously. All-in-all, the Oracle ALREADY causes your opponent to sacrifice WAY too much infrastructure just for POSSIBLE defense, and it is not even guaranteed defense.

Plus if you take really ANY damage from an oracle, since your tech was already heavily delayed, you're playing catch up with a Protoss the entire game, which is bad considering how the 12-14 minute mark is the biggest turning point in a TvP. So you'd be screwed once that time hit and it would be so one sided.

On May 03 2013 08:42 Madera wrote:

Because speed isn't the problem with the oracle. When used in PvT it's pretty much an all or nothing unit. Generally it either catches you off-guard and does game ending damage or you scout it and prepare and it does nothing. The problem with the oracle is that it doesn't have a solid mid-game transition to justify spending money on a stargate unless you're continuing down that tech path or using it with your all-in.

On May 03 2013 08:44 Xequecal wrote:


Open on a Reaper and you get free scouting of anything the Protoss is doing. It does require you to infer some things based on unit/probe/building count to detect proxies, but you get to see their whole base whenever your want for the first 6 minutes of the game at least.

On May 03 2013 08:46 convention wrote:

But speed won't help make the all-ins stronger. It will help in the lategame when you have spare gas to get a few oracles. It's actually very similar to lategame DTs. You build a few of them, and catch the other player off guard. With the added speed, you can also use them to track enemy movements as well as harass. So unlike DTs, the oracles will be able to return to a different role once the zerg/terran/protoss gets up anti-air defense.

On May 03 2013 08:27 nGBeast wrote:



And 99% of the time the game is better off because we don't let random sc2 players tell us what is good and bad

On May 03 2013 08:44 Cloak wrote:
The Corruptor should be the one with +bio. Theoretically Corruptors should just be a better unit, but that'd destroy balance.

On May 03 2013 08:44 Cloak wrote:
The Corruptor should be the one with +bio. Theoretically Corruptors should just be a better unit, but that'd destroy balance.

On May 03 2013 08:48 BaaL` wrote:


If you open reaper you can't have 6 marines in time for proxy oracle, especially with added speed (unless maybe if you don't get a CC, which is pretty much auto-loss).

I guess the new standard TvP will be barracks, e-bay, then CC, then more barracks and/or factory. At least when you scout double gas, which honestly is such a sick opening for P I don't know why you would ever go 1 gas vs Terran.