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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:26 m0ck wrote: MLG is already filled to the brim with Korean players. How many of the players moving to EU/US actually play in the GSL at the moment? Most tournaments have always been open to Korean players, but almost exclusively Korean players on foreign teams have attended. It's more a question of whether the Korean teams have money for/interest in seeing their players abroad. I don't see that changing drastically. Nerchio must be concerned about the European tournaments. The tendency for more Koreans participating there was already happening, regardless of WCS (see their upcoming tournament). I don't see WCS making all that much of a change in Korean participation in European tournaments, to be honest. Just look at DH Stockholm. Korean lineup is vastly different to any DH last year. DH Open Stockholm 2012: 5 Koreans DH Open Stockholm 2013: 16 Koreans Biggest number of serious Koreans (I'm excluding Dragon here) last year was 7 players. Numbers will only grow as time goes on. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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zicoz
Norway212 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:16 TheSir wrote: Mana, Nerchio, Grubby, Babyknight etc etc, all of them have beaten Koreans before. EU wont be a clean sweep for Koreans, thats for sure. Yup, if Demuslim is smart he's going over there as well. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:31 Dr.Sin wrote: What's going to happen to EGTL and Proleague? No change, they're just playing online for WCS and LAN if they make the finals, On April 10 2013 20:32 Kergy wrote: so who benefits from this? Koreans, man. | ||
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pms
Poland611 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:32 Kergy wrote: so who benefits from this? the expectation is that in the long run everybody will | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
Seems like a fail on Blizzard part. | ||
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InFi.asc
Germany518 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:32 Kergy wrote: so who benefits from this? I hope I do. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:12 pms wrote: It's funny, how players like Catz shout the loudest, while are far from being the best foreigners... Moreover, it's funny how EU/NA wants to get better by isolating themselves from the best and treating SC2 as a hobby while still providing more lucrative contracts than Koreans do... It just doesn't make any sense  NA pros are in a pretty though spot when it comes to improving. They can sell their stream numbers, their popularity and their personality. They can convince sponsors that this is a good thing. They cannot sell a top48 finish at an MLG very well to sponsors, who cares about top48? You maybe had one match streamed and you were completely annihilated. Now ask yourself why would teams invest in team houses and why would pros go the extra mile to improve? So they can get that top32 finish or top24 if they are lucky? That still sounds like shit to sponsors. The skill gap is just so big that it is very hard to bridge it in one go. You may occasionally have single players that for periods can compete with Koreans (see Stephano, and to a lesser extent people like Scarlett, Naniwa and Thorzain), but the goal is to build a reliable infrastructure where our teams can compete with their teams. The NA pro scene really needs some intermediate goals before it is ready to take on the Koreans. If instead of saying I improved from top48 to top32 globally they could say I was runner up at the NA championship, then that is much more meaningful. And yes this is the way to catch Koreans. Koreans are at the top, indisputably, and no one can currently compete with them. However being at the top they have no models to copy when they want to improve, and all the low hanging fruit has been picked so further progress in the Korean scene is going to be slow. In comparison in the foreign scene people can look to Korea to see ways to successfully train talent, and there are plenty of things that are fairly easy to do that could tremendously improve foreigners (set up team houses and practice partners, proper scheduling and coaching, more focused practice, etc.). It will also make sense to improve because you are competing against other NA teams that are at about the same level as you so while your improvements may not bring you victories against Koreans yet they mean that you can be on top of the NA scene until someone surpasses you. There will always be fierce competition as long as the idea of being top NA means something to competitors and sponsors and there is a quantifiable way to measure it (i.e. NA-only tournaments). At some point we would ideally hit a point where we can compete toe-to-toe with Korea (years from now obviously). This is how catching up always works in competition. The better you are the harder it is to improve so a motivated less experienced person will eventually catch up. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
I'm trying to do big things for the scene. I didn't create a babies league, though. If it's for men, then guess what, man up. You got me AgentW, it tis hard to do with a straight face. I read on wikipedia though that Morhaime plays some poker. I'm sure he had his poker face going when giving interviews this week. Gotta work on that poker face. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:32 Kergy wrote: so who benefits from this? The Korean scene, because now you can ship Korean players off to EU and NA which opens up new spots in GSL/WCS KR. There weren't enough spots in Code A/S for all the pro-gamers in KR once Kespa joined the scene and now there potentially will be. | ||
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ramask2
Thailand1024 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:32 Kergy wrote: so who benefits from this? That's a pretty damn good question. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
Certainly not hindsight. Or foresight, for that matter. | ||
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Kylo55
Poland64 Posts
And 20 words interviewes will not take 10 minutes :D | ||
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xluik
201 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:33 AgentW wrote: No change, they're just playing online for WCS and LAN if they make the finals, Koreans, man. Nope, koreans lose out partially on airfare if they don't win so it's a calculated risk. The main winners are tournament organizers. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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ETisME
12265 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:31 Dr.Sin wrote: What's going to happen to EGTL and Proleague? yea what's gonna happen? they are finally doing better now | ||
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:32 Kergy wrote: so who benefits from this? i think in short term koreans moving to eu/na, in long term kespa players and esf koreans staying in korea | ||
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